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Constitutional firestorm over Libya war and Biden's past impeachment words greet returning Obama

Oh, my how awkward is this?the Obama family with Grandmother Marian Robinson leave Air Force One Wednesday after a five-day tour of South America 3-23-11

President Obama, his daughters, his wife and his mother-in-law had just debarked from five days of parties, toasts and sightseeing across South America.

Suddenly, he's hit with serious bipartisan constitutional questions about his launching of attacks on Libya with United Nations approval, instead of Congressional approval, during that foreign jaunt.

It's one thing to have a Republican Speaker of the House and some Democrats as well wondering out loud how come Congress was not consulted before Obama committed American military forces to combat operations to do something in the vicinity of Libya when there was no threat to Americans.

John Boehner raised that issue Wednesday in a formal letter to the president (Scroll down for full text).

He said in part:

I respect your authority as Commander-in-Chief and support our troops as they carry out their mission.
But I and many other members of the House of Representatives are troubled that U.S. military resources were committed to war without clearly defining for the American people, the Congress and our troops what the mission in Libya is and what America’s role is in achieving that mission. 

In fact, the limited, sometimes contradictory, case made to the....

...American people by members of your administration has left some fundamental questions about our engagement unanswered. At the same time, by contrast, it appears your administration has consulted extensively on these same matters with foreign entities such as the United Nations and the Arab League.

But it's something else when President Obama's own vice president, Joe "I Don't Use Words Lightly" Biden suggests that a president who commits U.S. troops with no imminent threat to the country or its citizens and no congressional approval should be impeached. (See video).....

To be sure, Joseph well remembers entering the Senate when political shrapnel still flew from the Democratic president who got in over his head in a vaguely defined foreign military conflict called Vietnam. Biden repeated these video remarks in several places in 2007.

That was, of course, back when Biden still thought he should be president and George W. Bush and Obama should not.

Presumably, now that it's his boss who's entering a vaguely defined foreign military foray withvice president joe Biden gets a new jacket in a visit to the Yankees spring training camp Camp 3-23-11 with Manager Joe Girardi during a  political fundraising trip to Florida no congressional entrance permission and no exit strategy, Joe has had a change of mind.

As the sorties continue, the pair can discuss that in their private White House lunch today, now that Biden is back from a political fundraising trip to Florida and snagging a new jacket at the Yankees training camp (see photo).

Obama did, however, get United Nations approval for the ongoing strikes on Libya. About which there happens to be nothing in the Constitution.

Not many can find any real, new or imminent threat to America from Kadafi now that hasn't been around for many years. Here's how Obama visibly struggled during a South American news conference this week to explain the U.S. national interest now in Libya:

The American people and the United States have an interest, first of all, in making sure that where a brutal dictator is threatening his people, and saying he will show no mercy and go door-to-door and hunt people down and we have the capacity under international sanction to do something about that, I think it’s in America’s national interest to do something about that.

Say what? The ex-state senator who so famously said the U.S. had no business overthrowing the brutal Saddam Hussein poison gas-spewing regime in Iraq is now into ousting Kadafi based on his broadcast threats to "cleanse" Libya of opponents? But it's OK because the U.N. approves and we won't be a leader long?

So how then is it not in alleged American interests to police brutality in, say, Sudan, Yemen, even China, whose president Obama instead recently hosted at a White House state dinner? How about Syria where authorities killed 15 protestors Wednesday. Or what about North Korea's Kim clan starving millions to live high?

Crime-stopping global brutality seems a surprisingly expansive self-appointed mission for this president to claim for America's already overstretched military forces. Not to mention reminiscent of Jimmy Carter's avowed human rights diplomacy of the late 1970s. Not to mention also hopeless.

The good news for Obama is that this ridiculously unnecessary flap has changed the subject from the economy/deficit/foreign trips.

Still, watch for Obama to find some venue other than a Virginia classroom to explain Libya and himself very, very soon. (UPDATE March 25: As predicted, Obama has scheduled a speech on Libya for Monday evening, March 28, at the National Defense University. We'll have the full text here, as usual.)

This unexpected image of a cowboy president from Illinois is gaining traction in the public mind and late-night comedians' monologues  ("Three wars now," Jay Leno said Wednesday night. "Can you imagine how many wars we'd be in if Pres. Obama hadn't gotten the Nobel Peace Prize?")

If this keeps up, the Republicans might not even need to nominate anyone next year.

-- Andrew Malcolm

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Here's Boehner's complete letter:

Text of Speaker Boehner's letter to the president, as provided by his House office

President Barack Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

Thank you for your letter dated March 21, 2011, outlining your Administration’s actions regarding Libya and Operation Odyssey Dawn.  The United States has long stood with those who seek freedom from oppression through self-government and an underlying structure of basic human rights. 

The news yesterday that a U.S. fighter jet involved in this operation crashed is a reminder of the high stakes of any military action abroad and the high price our Nation has paid in blood and treasure to advance the cause of freedom through our history.

I respect your authority as Commander-in-Chief and support our troops as they carry out their mission. But I and many other members of the House of Representatives are troubled that U.S. military resources were committed to war without clearly defining for the American people, the Congress, and our troops what the mission in Libya is and what America’s role is in achieving that mission. 

In fact, the limited, sometimes contradictory, case made to the American people by members of your Administration has left some fundamental questions about our engagement unanswered. At the same time, by contrast, it appears your Administration has consulted extensively on these same matters with foreign entities such as the United Nations and the Arab League. 

It is my hope that you will provide the American people and Congress a clear and robust assessment of the scope, objective, and purpose of our mission in Libya and how it will be achieved. Here are some of the questions I believe must be answered:

•    A United Nations Security Council resolution does not substitute for a U.S. political and military strategy. You have stated that Libyan leader Muammar Qadhafi must go, consistent with U.S. policy goals. But the U.N. resolution the U.S. helped develop and signed onto makes clear that regime change is not part of this mission. Republican House Speaker John Boehner and President Obaama talk on Capitol Hill l3-17-11

In light of this contradiction, is it an acceptable outcome for Qadhafi to remain in power after the military effort concludes in Libya? If not, how will he be removed from power?

Why would the U.S. commit American resources to enforcing a U.N. resolution that is inconsistent with our stated policy goals and national interests? 

•    In announcing that our Armed Forces would lead the preliminary strikes in Libya, you said it was necessary to “enable the enforcement of a no-fly zone that will be led by our international partners.” 

Do we know which partners will be taking the lead?  Are there clear lines of authority and responsibility and a chain of command? Operationally, does enforcement of a no-fly zone require U.S. forces to attack non-air or command and control operations for land-based battlefield activities, such as armored vehicles, tanks and combatants?

•    You have said that the support of the international community was critical to your decision to strike Libya. But, like many Americans, it appears many of our coalition partners are themselves unclear on the policy goals of this mission. If the coalition dissolves or partners continue to disengage, will the American military take on an increased role? Will we disengage? 

•    Since the stated U.S. policy goal is removing Qadhafi from power, do you have an engagement strategy for the opposition forces? If the strife in Libya becomes a protracted conflict, what are your Administration's objectives for engaging with opposition forces, and what standards must a new regime meet to be recognized by our government?

•    Your Administration has repeatedly said our engagement in this military action will be a matter of “days, not weeks.”  After four days of U.S. military action, how soon do you expect to hand control to these other nations? After the transition to coalition forces is completed, how long will American military forces remain engaged in this action? If Qadhafi remains in power, how long will a no-fly zone be enforced?

•    We are currently in the process of setting priorities for the coming year in the budget. Has the Department of Defense estimated the total cost, direct and indirect, associated with this mission?  While you said yesterday that the cost of this mission could be paid for out of already-appropriated funds, do you anticipate requesting any supplemental funds from Congress to pay for ongoing operations in Libya?

•    Because of the conflicting messages from the Administration and our coalition partners, there is a lack of clarity over the objectives of this mission, what our national security interests are, and how it fits into our overarching policy for the Middle East. The American people deserve answers to these questions. And all of these concerns point to a fundamental question: what is your benchmark for success in Libya?

The American people take the use of military action seriously, as does the House of Representatives. It is regrettable that no opportunity was afforded to consult with Congressional leaders, as was the custom of your predecessors, before your decision as Commander-in-Chief to deploy into combat the men and women of our Armed Forces. Understanding some information required to respond may be classified, I look forward to a complete response.

Sincerely,
/s/ John A. Boehner

Related:

Good news: Joe Biden gets a party fundraising letter out despite radiation, the economy and new war

Photos: Manuel Balce Ceneta / Associated Press (the Obama family with Grandmother Marian Robinson leave Air Force One Wednesday after a five-day tour of South America); Peter Massa / Associated Press (Biden in Florida for political fundraisers visits the Yankees spring training camp and gets a new jacket); Olivier Douliery / EPA (Boehner and Obama on Capitol Hill, March 17).

 
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I'm a conservative, however, I think President Obama has done well in stopping the Cudhafi forces from wiping out the protesters. My reason for my thoughts are; now the war in Libya can continue for some time, which will in turn make more news. It's kind of like when you think of "Nuclear" conflict[s], you just won't have anyone to impress with press; to chat with about that; you know, hobnobary. Reason is: all things would be "new", "clear" from the "Nuclear" disaster. So let's all celebrate that the struggle will go on which assists in us keeping our jobs.

Face it--the left supports this war, just like they supported "Afghanistan is the real war where we dropped the ball." At least, Khadafi's cheerleaders get paid. What's the American left's excuse?

I am a registered Republican and voted for my party's candidate for President in the last presidential election. I do not approve of the manner in which the healthcare bill was passed, and cannot support the President on most issues. Having said that, I have no questions nor any need for clarification from the current administration regarding our involvement in Libya.

I feel that is unfortunate that the Republicans have taken this opportunity to ask questions that the average American can answer. I can recall that Senator McCain and others were pressuring the administration to do something to help the Libyan freedom fighters. Now that the USA is helping them, Senator Boehner wants specifics on our role which are clearly outlined in UN resolution 1973 which I feel is consistent with USA foreign policy.

Your questions are much like asking a coach what to outline the outcome of a football game and how he expects the team to achieve those goals. The only answer that a coach can give is that he expects his team to win. How the team is going to win specifically is not something he can predict.

The goal of the USA is what Boehner mentioned in his first paragraph of his letter to the President, "The United States has long stood with those who seek freedom from oppression through self-government and an underlying structure of basic human rights."

How that goal is going to be achieved is outlined in UN resolution 1973. The coalition will "use all means necessary" to protect the people of Libya. If that means attacking forces loyal to Gaddafi then so be it. If that means killing Gaddafi so be it. If that means providing means for the freedom fighters to protect themselves so be it.

It is my humble opinion, the Congress should vote to support the UN resolution 1973. To ask exactly what the USA's role is going to be specifically is information that the public doses need not know. I sense that Senator Boehner is mffed that he was not consulted regarding this matter and the coalition had discussed some of the specifics of Operation Odyssey. This fact leads me to believe that the grievance Senator Boehner has is personal.

Since the lives of Americans are in jeopardy, I find it repulsive that the Republican leadership of the House of Representatives and some Democrats are behaving in this manner. America should be standing behind the President and our Armed Forces at this time. What kind of message our we giving the world by behaving in this manner? It is counter productive and diminishes our foreign policy resolve.

joc

Well written and to the point, this article voices everything I have been thinking since our involvement in Libya began. If we are so concerned about brutal dictatorships slaughtering their people then why have we not seen a no-fly zone over western Sudan's Darfur region?

Obama finally has Republicans and Democrats reaching across the aisle as he had hoped in bipartisanship!!!!

I am a registered Republican and voted for my party's candidate for President in the last presidential election. I do not approve of the manner in which the healthcare bill was passed, and cannot support the President on most issues. Having said that, I have no questions nor any need for clarification from the current administration regarding our involvement in Libya.

I feel that is unfortunate that the Republicans have taken this opportunity to ask questions that the average American can answer. I can recall that Senator McCain and others were pressuring the administration to do something to help the Libyan freedom fighters. Now that the USA is helping them, Senator Boehner wants specifics on our role which are clearly outlined in UN resolution 1973 which I feel is consistent with USA foreign policy.
Your questions are much like asking a coach to outline the outcome of a football game and how he expects the team to achieve those goals. The only answer that a coach can give is that he expects his team to win. How the team is going to win and the events leading to that expected victory specifically is not something he can predict.

The goal of the USA is what Boehner mentioned in his first paragraph of his letter to the President, "The United States has long stood with those who seek freedom from oppression through self-government and an underlying structure of basic human rights."

How that goal is going to be achieved is outlined in UN resolution 1973. The coalition will "use all means necessary" to protect the people of Libya. If that means attacking forces loyal to Gaddafi then so be it. If that means killing Gaddafi then so be it. If that means giving provisions for the freedom fighters to protect themselves then so be it.

It is my humble opinion, Congress should vote to support the UN resolution 1973. To ask what the USA's role is going to be specifically is information that the public does not need to know and quite frankly is not a question that can be answered. Events in the theatre of battle are fluid and game plans are often changed to meet the challenge at hand.. I sense that Senator Boehner is miffed that he was not consulted regarding this matter, and the coalition had discussed some of the specifics of Operation Odyssey. This fact leads me to believe that the grievance Senator Boehner has is personal.
Since the lives of Americans are in jeopardy, I find it repulsive that the Republican leadership of the House of Representatives and some Democrats are behaving in this manner. America should be standing behind the President and our Armed Forces at this time. What kind of message our we giving the world by behaving in this manner? It is counter productive and diminishes our foreign policy resolve.
joc

Just another example of Obamas disregard for America. What does the constitution, congress or laws have to do with his rule? The United Nation gave him permission. Wake up America! It's about time you start paying attention and see this socialist America hater for what he is. So eager to attack another nation. Where were the sanctions and 14 UN resolution that still were not enought to attack Iraq? Maybe if there was an oil for food program for Libya that that Kofe's family could siphon money from like Iraq then the approval to attack would have been denied. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Just another one of those deals where Obama and his criminal administration sidesteps the law of the land and makes up law as he moves along and usurps authority over all branches of government nothing to see here move along now move along.

Spot on.

Prior to this stupid debacle, the Secretary of Defense said that imposing a No Fly Zone over Libya was an act of war.

We are now in an illegal, unconstitutional war with Libya. It has been imposed upon us by a Dictator in the Whitehouse. It has been imposed upon us by a Tyrant in the Whitehouse, with no Constitutional Authority, to take this action. This Tyrant's justification for this war is the removal of another Tyrant.

He has sent the Military to action with an unlawful order.

POTUS entering into acts of war unconstitutionally - what? We don't have time for such non-sense, the King can do as he pleases. Have you forgotten these baseball players lied to congress about taking steroids, tarnishing the national pass time!?!?!? Just shut up and pay your taxes, we might have to bail out some more banks, and GM needs to design a new super SUV to burn up our share of Libyan oil...

By the way what Constitution are you on about? Is that that scrap of parchment stating:

"Congress shall make no law... abridging... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" (except in free speech zones - submit a permit and we'll get back to you).
or
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." (well, um unless you are approached by TSA VIPER team or plan to fly somewhere or maybe happen to be within 100 miles from a border in which case you are in a "constitution free zone" aw hell never-mind we have the Patriot Act... lets just call you a terrorist, now they'll just have look at what ever they like and then some).

Might as well wipe your self with the Constitution, as I reckon that all it's good for in DC

Now, compare this to the previous administration and the authorizations for the wars (still being waged, incidentally) in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the number of American soldiers who have died in each of those wars. Or were you too busy with Mrs. Bush and her legislative agenda while all that was going on to pay attention?

Partisan hackwork.

Yep. Bush got congressional approval, UN approval, planned the campaign for xix months, and had twice as many coalition partners when he went into Iraq. But Bush is portrayed as an impulsive cowboy and Obama as the careful thoughtful one. It sickens me.

Libya is the left's war, just like "Afghanistan is the real war where we dropped the ball." Other than Kucinich, the left has been supportive of Obama. The American left is no better than the paid cheerleaders that shout support at every Kadafi speech.

Hope? Change?

Maybe President Obama should consult Senator Kerry
"I way for the war before I was against it."

Shouldn't we limit the partisan bickering to domestic issues? The unrelenting backstabbing and scheming for political advantage is unseemly and endangers the troops tasked with implementing our national policies. Obama was elected President and is our Commander in Chief. John Boehner and the Republican Congress should have the good sense to raise whatever questions he has to the President privately. Grandstanding in matters that may result in endangering the troops that are now in harms way is unacceptable.

The president, as commander and chief, has full authority to engage us with Libya as he has. What bothers me is the talk show hosts & political panderers to the left (including our VP) who attacked Bush (even though Bush went to Congress AND got their approval), are now either very quiet or supportive of Obama. The notable exception is Dennis K. who (though I don't agree with) has gained my respect for being consistent regardless of which party is in charge

It is so sweet when the words of those self-righteous liberals come back to bite them in their posteriors. The shoe is on the other foot liberal Dems. How does it feel to have your darling anointed one look so foolish abroad and at home. The office of the president of the United States is way too big for this little socialist, community organizer from corruption city, illinois. He is still voting"PRESENT" and thinking it smart to do so when he should be leading. Sarah Palin would run circles around this little teleprompter man.

The hubris and hypocrisy of the liberal left, along with their utter contempt for our Constitution, is slowly coming out in the open - with their own words to condemn them. I won't hold my breath for the msm to see the light, although I am surprised this commentary is coming from the L.A. Times, but the other media outlets are mum on this subject because they're protecting their king in the WH.

Barack Hussein Sotero Obama has abused OUR Constitution, usurped powers NOT awarded to him by OUR Constitution, he has proven he is incompetent, unqualified, inept, clueless and a danger to this country. He should be IMPEACHED and soon, before he can destroy this GREAT country any more than he already has. He isn't interested in being and acting like a president, he is only interested in the next 'vacation', the next golf game, the next lavish party at the White House while he has placed this country in the deepest financial hole we have seen since the 20's and 30's. That is NOT presidential qualities, these are the moves of an immature, arrogant, grossly egotistical, delusional, naive, and completely fatuous. Not what this country deserves, but what we got when uninformed, politically uneducated people are allowed to vote.

"This is another fine mess that you've gotten me into Stanley"! "Er, i mean Hillary"! Looks like the boy blunder can't get anything right! Heh,heh.

"Obama did, however, get United Nations approval for the ongoing strikes on Libya. About which there happens to be nothing in the Constitution."
Wooo!!! Did I just hear that the United Nations gives permission to Obama. to do whatever they want Obama to do
dispite we have our own rules that our Prez. can't do that?
Did I?

Time to impeach Obama.

Well for once I agree both with Joe Biden and Barak Obama.

They both hit the nail on the head with this one!

Impeach Obama now!!

Obama did what needed to be done. He rounded up our allies, and the Arab league and decided the best course of action to prevent more civilian casualties. The coalition planned the nature of the operation and deployed. We are in a supporting role here and Boehner is just jacking his jaws. Boehner and Gingrich need to sit in a room, facing each other and talk each other sane.

The Constitution requires a declaration of war.

The War Powers Act requires either Congressional action or imminent threat to the US.

The UN CHARTER in Article 2 states that the UN cannot interfere in the domestic affairs of a member state (and we have every reason to want to preserve that provision.)

This action is wholly illegitimate.


The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

--Sen. Barack Obama, December 20, 2007

Yes the American public needs answers.Mr. obama needs to be accountable f/ his actions specially about the amount of dept. he has accumulated,and, what it is telling his kids and ours.That its o.k. to not pay your bills.Is he only thinking about his self and not his on family.What about the repercussions that result from the actions he takes.You people that think you have all this money and power and dont care about the people that are in need.You will suffer for actions you take,the good Lord God almighty will show yall who is in control.He will bring you to your knees to make you realize.Read the Bible you who have lost your way and repent f/ it is written.God Bless America

Hey, Obama merely has to say that he is looking for the missing WMDs that Bush said were in Iraq.

Most of the wingnuts believed that Saddem moved them somewhere, so maybe they were put in Libya.

That should satisfy all of the rightwingers who 5 days ago were saying that Obama should bomb Libya and now have a sudden case of tea bagger amnesia.

The fourth horseman of the apocalypse is in full stride. We go from " A thousand points of light"- "new world order"- "read my lips no new taxes," Bush senior, Clinton, no Glass/Steagall act... It'll be fine; Bush W " we have to break the economy to fix it;" Obama " let me be clear..." Vapid political leadership not only creates power vacuums, and political instability, it extends into space, just ask the Japanese.

It seems like Obama and Biden are using their term in the White House to live out all their wildest fantasies. Hanging out with the Yankees, travelling to South America, having their idols drop by the White House, parties every other weekend. It's not like they give a damn about what's happening to America, if anything they're working to accelerate our downfall.

He's gone from a dithering foreign policy to a blithering foreign policy.

Look at the first comment. He says :"I'm a conservative, however...". After seeing so many letters in the past ten years begin with an identifier like this and reading on to find out that the author is nothing but a bald-faced lying democrat, I find myself a little suspicious. Especially when a justification for war like "assisting us with keeping our jobs" is thrown in for good measure. The only people in this country who have ever justified war on this flimsy basis have been unionized democrats and progressives. In fact, I just recently re-read the chapter refuting this fallacy in Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson. Start keeping an eye out. The liars are back.

I clicked on the return of Obama from South America and wonder why the hang his family had to once again had to travel on a "business" trip and the mother-on-law to boot? I am sorry we are paying for this galavants all over the place along with seeing the list of CEOs that traveled with Obama to South America is astounding!!! All his liberal cronies! To be truthful, I get alot of conservative sites and saw Michael Savage's video on Impeach Obama and have to admit I never heard of Michael but glad I know him now.

Hey JOC (4:45am),
Who are you trying to kid. You are a libertard posing as a Republican. Do you think we can't see through you.
It's obvious since anyone who supports a president who shoves a pseudo-state run healthcare program down the people's throats despite the evidence of the failure of similar programs from around Europe and other parts of the world - and in the US (Mass.) - has to be a socialist or a fascist.
And then you think it's okay for a president to go to war by going along with the (anti-US, Jew-hating) UN without consulting our Congress. I know Republicans, and you, sir, are NO Republican.
You were probably infected by the Bush Derangement Syndrome and now you have the Obama-As-Messia Syndrome. In fact, not only do I doubt your patriotism (there I said it), I doubt your sanity.
Stop lying to us and, more importantly, stop lying to yourself. O's gotta go!

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation," OBAMA 2007

WHATS CHANGED?

If anyone fits the definition of a girlyman ; Obama is the one

It's easy for everyone to say Obama is doing what needs to be done. I'm a military spouse who is in the middle of a year long deployment with my husband away from our family. FOR A YEAR. In 2010, he was deployed overseas for 3 months. In 2009 he was deployed overseas for 7 months. Etc, etc, etc....

I know my husband signed up for the job that he's doing, but WE did not sign up for being the babysitters of this world, and our military personnel are so overstretched and worn out. It's the same set of people fighting these wars over and over, and they need a break!

And they especially don't need to be led into an 'action' that's really a war, when our own President won't even admit he's sent our troops into war. It's a war.

I'm proud of our military and the job that they do. But I am not proud of being a military wife under a President who is so wishy-washy and doesn't really know what he's going to do next. As a military spouse, I need a Commander-in-Chief that is SURE of his actions and the reasons behind them. We don't have that.

Hey JOC !
First time I hear of senator Boehner.Is he related to John Boehner who is the
current speaker of the house of representatives ? One more thing..the health
care bill is objectionable mainly because it will cost more than the current
system and will increase the deficit .The way it was passed was also flawed as
you say but this new war wasn't even passed by congress....Hello?Dems think
they can have it both ways.Oh,and by the way,Obama was pushed in this war
by France and England like he went in ass-backwards...some commander in
chief.Oh,and why are you letting Biden off the hook in your endless diatribe?

The longer this man Obama stays in charge the worse our country looks.

He is no leader, never has been and never will be.

He has used the people who will let him and has slandered those who want.

We, the American people have at no time in history had anyone in the White House like this.

I should have made myself clear on in my comments I posted............I do support our effort in protecting the freedom fighters. I do not support the way in which Obama did it. He should have let the Congress vote like Bush did on the Iraq war. and he should have made our "mission" clear.

A leader who is serving his people will do this. He will listen to his people. but I guess we can see from the Health Care bill, he does not. but he did listen to the UNIONS and gave them $60 billion in the bill.

I am surprised that you have any comments posted.........as you are posting only the most "positive" post..........

President does not have many does he?

Sorry you could not post mine.

(AM responds: The sexual one about the First Lady didn't make it. But all the others are there. Thanks much.)

Well hooray!! Someone in DC finally grew some balls - Joe Biden - The Vice President of these United States has stood up to his "boss" - How dare that man go above the Constitution of this country - He has completely overstepped his bounds and ours - He will be the ruination of this country - Wake up America before it's too late - If its not already - True George W. Bush didn't do everything right - but at least he consulted people when he should - This man at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue seems to think he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whoever he wants. So I am calling on my two Senators and my one so called Representative to stand up to this man - Repeal Obamacare - What makes him think that if people did not have the money to buy health insurance before this "mess" was passed - that they will have the money to pay his "fine" if they don't buy it - What will he do? Throw them all in jail - If so - I guess we'd better get busy and start building new jails all over the country. Hang in there America - I have faith in YOU - Too bad I can't say the same about the man in DC.

The true Republicans have a conscience and support the Prez on this one, like several in this discussion thread. Obama could have been more open with our people, but this Congress (at least the House) is a lost cause for rational discussion, so why bother with the likes of Boehner?
On the plus side, I think we have a better coalition with NATO, and we saw the Prez' juice to get UN and Arab League approval. This is exactly the way we need to do our wars today and for the future (Gulf War II: "coalition of the willing"? Camaroon?).

I for one am more concerned with the President's total lack of leadership than partisan exchanges over constitutionality of his action. The man is completely out of his league and his bewildered actions and confusing explanations serve only to demonstrate to the world what a pitiful giant the US has become. he has certainly achieved his objective of "cutting us down to size".

JT
www.alittleleftofright.com


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