More questions about Barack Obama's birth certificate, still

Well, here we go again on the Barack Obama birth certificate controversy that just won't die because it's one of those zombie issues like who really killed JFK.

No less an authority on politics, history and government archives than the Pat Boone is now raising serious questions about the legitimacy of the entire Obama administration and everything it has done since those 21 guns went off shortly after noon on Jan. 20.

This is because a lot of people, including firebrand conservative Alan Keyes (as The Ticket described here in February) and now Boone, insist or suggest or imply that Obama cannot be president of these United States because they insist, suggest or imply he wasn't really born in Hawaii but was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland.

(See below for the certificate of live birth provided by the Obama staff a year ago, even though technically that's not a birth certificate.)

(Helpful Ticket Political Reminder: Obama thoroughly thumped Keyes, a last-minute hopeless fill-in GOP candidate, in his initial 2004 U.S. Senate run in Illinois. So there may be a lingering issue there in the mind of Keyes, wherever that is.)

Now, none of this should actually matter because Obama's mother was an American, if you consider Kansas America. So she could have been on Mars when wee Barry emerged and he'd still be American. All the courts have consistently thrown out challenges to the first African American president's legality. And Obama's spending, golfing and official POTUS Air Force One jacket sure don't indicate he's got any doubts about his legitimacy.

But maybe the courts are all part of a vast Kenyan socialist conspiracy or something. As they do daily, Wonkette has a lot of fun with its own theory about this conspiracy theory.

Anyway, the latest development is that Pat Boone, in an article headlined "Mr Obama, Show Us Your Birth Certificate," goes on a long while about the hassle of non-terrorists trying to board commercial American flights nowadays. Which is so true, isn't it?

It's gotten so bad, Pat reports, that he's actually turned down some gigs just to avoid the airport hassle. Which must be a nice position to be in, even with the hassle.

Pat -- we call him that because we've never met -- questions the validity of the certificate of live birth published on The Ticket. He raises dramatic fears about what will happen if years down the road Obama is actually proven to be legally barred from holding the Oval Office as is, say, California's Austrian-born Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

But then PB gets to his main point:

If I have to produce my passport, my driver’s license, my birth certificate, for things like leaving the country and returning, buying and selling and leasing and renting — all the things ordinary citizens are required to do all the time — why then, in the name of decency and equality, and, in the “open” and “transparent” approach to government Obama promised, should our elected leader not do the same?

Now, some might say, who is this Pat Boone to question the legitimacy of the president of the United States? Well, he's a lifelong conservative who had a very nice voice and made so many popular hits for your parents that for many years he was second only to a singer who died of drug issues (that would be Elvis).

Pat's qualifications also include popularizing the wearing of white suede shoes about a century or so ago, even though such foot gear is impossible to keep unscuffed for more than 27 seconds..

Pat says Obama is dismantling America’s free markets, taxing the higher-earning middle class into despondency, spending and taxing the nation into bankruptcy, imposing socialistic, government-run healthcare, seriously weakening our military and encouraging our enemies and enacting crippling and fraudulent “global warming” laws, among other nefarious things.

And, he asks, what if "he wasn’t even legally entitled to be president at all. Yes, it is important, crucially and everlastingly important. America’s very future depends on the defense of, and obedience to, our basic constitutional laws."

So while it seems unlikely Pat will be invited to perform at the next White House lesbian gay pride celebration, this birth certificate thing doesn't seem to be going away as quickly as white suede shoes.

-- Andrew Malcolm

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Comments

[daniel de la Bec]

Not a comment but a question. If the certificate shown on this page is technically not a birth certificate, what is it?

[m winkles]

Pat, When I was 9 years old I was madly in love with you and actually got to meet you - little did I know then, what a jerk you are. OBAMA'S MOTHER WAS AN AMERICAN - he could have been born on Mars and still be an American. Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't be so picky about what shows I accept or cancel - actually, I'm surprised anyone even asks you to perform anymore - just be grateful

[J. Scott Davis]

Why did Obama display a COLB instead of posting his original birth certificate? Why is Obama spending so much in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden? WHERE was Obama born in Hawaii if he wasn't born in Kenya............ Per Article 2, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, one must be a natural born citizen to serve as President. I have NOT seen proof that Obama is eligible to serve as President.

[Alferd]

Andrew wrote: "(See below for the certificate of live birth provided by the Obama staff a year ago, even though technically that's not a birth certificate.)"

"technically," you are quite wrong about that.

From the Honolulu Star-Bulletin

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

---"The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said."---

Please do a little more research next time.

[the Big Boo]

Wait...you said Obama's staff provided a certificate of live birth but that is not "technically" a birth certificate....ummm provided how? on the Internet...wow you can believe that right? I mean DMV takes internet screen shots in lieu of valid documentation right?

So a real, long-form, paper copy birth certificate (like every American has and has to produce over and over again in thier lifetimes) is, by your admission, not available for Obama....

how curious? You don't have be part of a movement, you don't have to be a conservative, or even a former singing sensation to wonder, where is the dahm real birth certificate?

All other records (schools, etc.) are also sealed and being protected by beaucoup lawyers...hmmmmmm.

Transparency? sure...Pride in the first black President? sure...His background and details of life? sure.....What? no original research into this? But we know everything about George Washington's dentures, Tom Jefferson's mistress? Oh not to bother, a politician wouldn't lie to us would he? Try to hide something. What a politician? surely you jest.

Something smells in Denmark mate, and if they were not blinded by their fears of the truth the press zombies would be all over this...well if Obama was a Republican they would...

Hypocrisy abouds, but in the end the history will reveal the truth..

[Deb]

I'm still trying to figure out just how many people in the world still care what Pat Boone thinks.

[Rick Stone]

"Well, here we go again on the Barack Obama birth certificate controversy that just won't die because it's one of those zombie issues like who really killed JFK."
What do you mean , here we go again ? The question has never been addressed by any recognized legal authority. Show the long form birth certificate and the issue will be over. Spending almost a million dollars on law firms to prevent the release of his birth certificate should raise a GIANT red flag for anyone of any party if they have one IQ point in their head.
The certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate as you pointed out (thank you for your honesty). The COLB is given out to to citizens and non citizens and means nothing . If you look at the last line of the certificate it says " Alterations invalidate this certificate". The certificate number has been blacked out and therefore the certificate has been altered and is considered invalid.
Wake up America you are being scamed!

[Steve Rogers]

It would be nice if the LA Times would do some actual research into the lawsuits and claims about Obama. His mother was to young to convey citizenship outside the county, he is a dual citizen which is a disqualifier, and he was a citizen of Indonesia which didn't allow for dual citizenship and he would have had to become a naturalized citizen upon returning to this country.

[Rob C]

If this is so real why spend over half a million on lawyers to stop investigative journalists. (Investigative jounalists who actually go out and research information regarding a subject or topic, unlike the fanboy jounalism that exists today at most newpapers) Also it is amazing that we have seen non of his college papers or transcripts.

[Gary]

I am not sure why you're taking a mocking tone about PB for being a singer ("no less an authority..."). BHO was just a community organizer who had affirmative actioned his way through law school. And we don't know if he did well in law school since he won't release his transcripts. If BHO is as smart as the media say, why wouldn't he want to advertise that?

As for the birth certificate, it is odd that BHO won't release it.

[rcmartin]

As you so accurately point out in your article, the Certificate of Live Birth is NOT a Birth Certificate.

What is the difficulty of producing an original Birth Certificate. Why has the man spent almost $1Million dollars hiding it?

Nobody hides a document that could be produced for $12 UNLESS there is something to hide.

[fred]

An age of 35, resident of the US for 14 years and a natural born citizen.

you guys are too funny. yeah, his mother is american and if he was bormn in kenya then he would not qualify as a naturla bron citizen, doofus. but who cares right? i mean thats just the rules. they dont matter. the funny thing is in about 2 years, theres gonnas be way more than 60% of america looking for any excuse to get this dunderhead removed from office. so this ones nice to have handy. we WILL need it. peace out. lets all do down together!!!!

[fred]

oops, and to answer your question: PB qualifies because he is a us citizen and last time i checked potus works FOR US. ya know? like in republics kinda! actually really! wow. cool. like we are his boss. yeah for now. but chavez was elected too and used to answer to the people so thats temporary in some cases.......you guys are a hoot!!!!!

[Pete]

We all know that the original vault birth certificate is easily available to Obama by signing a release and paying $10.00. Obama refuses to sign the release or produce the original birth certificate. That would be the one that lists the name of the hospital, doctors and witnesses to the birth. All verifiable facts that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii. Due to rampant immigration abuse in the 1960's Obama could have been born in another country and brought back and registered in Hawaii. If Obama were born overseas than under the law he is not a natural born citizen:
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml

This issue is not going away. It will be here if Obama and the Democratic Party decide to try and place his name on the primary ballot in 2012.

All of the cases brought were dismissed on legal technicalities and not one allowed discovery to open and these questions to be answered. One of those technicalities was that the issue was moot as the primary was over. That technicality will not exist in 2012 as the instant Obama's name appears there will be a law suit.

Keep in mind that producing a photograph of a certification of live birth to a internet website does not amount to proper vetting of a candidate. All of the voters assumed Obama had been properly vetted, which if all there is to prove this the photograph posted on the internet then they will not pass the bar in the next election.

[Dan Rivera]

While you are treating this question in a humorous vein, it would seem that the easiest way to kill zombie issues like the one described would be the simple step of producing an actual, signed, birth certificate, of the type that most of us could - and do - produce on a moments notice. Posting a "certificate of live birth" that does not resemble anything that I have ever seen does little to convince anyone. Now, if it truely is absurd to question this one tiny aspect of an individual's qualification to hold this particular U.S. government office, then why question less obvious factual disconnects? I would think that it is simply the height of hubris not to produce the original document to settle the matter once and for all. Andrew Malcolm could do it, I could do it, but someone who has the trust of the nation and the highest office in the land disdains doing it? Please...

[MR. RIGHT]

Yea, well any 9 yr. old with access to a PC could produce that bogus "Certificate of Live Birth." LMAO

Anyone who has spent the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Hussein has spent fighting the numerous lawsuits in numerous states challenging his eligibility to be POTUS when a simple $12.50 Birth Certificate would suffice has definitely something to hide.

BTW, did Hussein ever release his medical records?
Nooooooo...

And did Hussein ever release his college transcripts?
Nooooooo...

There is definitely something not "Kosher" about this clown.

But of course, the U. S. Supreme Court doesn't have the balls to hear any of the lawsuits filed with its clerk.

Say, LAT, do you have the balls to do a little investigative reporting? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw...that might give you a some credibility which we all know YOU DO NOT HAVE!

[Don Young]

Remember in April 2008 Senator Leahy and Five other Democratic Senators demanded that John McCain proof he was a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and the Congress and Senate stated that he was. Now John McCain shoud have denanded the same from Obama,but did not. In response the Obama Campaign put on their Websit a copy of a LIVE BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT not a LONG FORM CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Compare your own BC and you can see the difference. Also both parents have to be US CITIZENS. Obama Sr was born in Kenya and therefore was a Citizen under British rule. You sound like a decent person,why not look into the matter and request a LONG FORM CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE that names the Hospital,Doctor, Race of Father, Mothernot African American,in 1961 it was Negro their occupation and where they were born.Obama at best is a NATURALIZED CITIZEN and therefor not eligibile to be POTUS. Look in to this matter and iinform the Nation. Thank You. Don Young,dy94549@aol.com,5208676805

[Pat Booney]

No one refuses to show a document unless he has something to hide - yet liberal after liberal insist that THE GREAT FRAUD is a citizen. How do they know this if he NEVER produced the document? Did they get a text from the BO campaign that BO is a citizen?

You can fool all of the liberals all of the time!

The truth eventually comes out. On that day the frustration in the liberal media will be priceless!!!

[Alferd]

I see al the wack a doodle birthers are out in force today.

Give it up.

Pat Boone is a freak.

President Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, qualified to be POTUS.

Birthers are morons.

[Alferd]

One more time.

Since 2001 the state of Hawaii, Department of Health has gone paperless for vital records. This means that barely legible, certified copies of the original long form for anyone born before 2001 will no longer be available. Instead ALL, repeat, ALL copies of birth records issued by the department will be on a standardized, printed form, certified by the department.

In addition, since 2001, all vital record data for new births is entered into a computer at the hospital. This computer is connected directly to the electronic database at the DOH.

Thus, since 2001, NO paper, "long" forms exist for anyone born in that state.

The COLB is a legal document, sufficient to prove that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

It is valid proof of birth for EVERY government purpose, whether that purpose is to get a drivers license, as passport, apply for a Hawaiian Home Lands Lease, or to be president.

that is all there is to it.

[Alferd]

The BC posted by President Obama on the internet states that he was born at 7:24 pm, on Friday, August 4, 1961.

Further it states that the record of the birth was filed with the state registrar on Tuesday, August 8, 1961.

Pat Boone stated in his column:

----

Many, who know more than I do about what actually happened, notably the United States Justice Foundation, have surmised that baby Obama’s mother, about to have her child in Kenya, had booked a flight to Hawaii but was prohibited from flying because delivery was so imminent. But soon after baby Barack was born, USJF theorizes she flew with him to Oahu and obtained some kind of "record of birth" as if he'd been born there.

----

SO, according to Pat Boone, Stanley Ann Durham had a baby, on Friday night, then immediately flew from Kenya to Honolulu on 1961 era airplanes following 1961 air routes with that day old baby (with no passport) so that she could register his birth in Honolulu 4 days later.

Riiiiight.

[wodiej]

it all comes down to one thing....if BHO is a legal citizen, why won't he show his long form BC, his school records or medical records? Spent millions to not release the BC. You people who adore BHO have a total loss of reality. This is just plain and simple logic.

[Alferd]

Pete wrote: --"We all know that the original vault birth certificate is easily available to Obama by signing a release and paying $10.00. "--

Wrong, Pete. Hawaii no longer issues copies of the original forms. They only issue the COLB form

Let me repeat that so that it sinks into your rock ribed republican brain.

They only issue one form and one form only to everybody, no matter when they were born.

That form is the COLB.

that is the only form that the State of Hawaii issues.

The only form.

from now on.

They don't even have original "long" forms for babies born today anymore.

Nope, just the COLB.

that's it.

Just the form that President Obama posted on his web site.

No more baby footprints.

just the basic facts.

Place of birth, location of birth, time and date of birth, parents names, and the date that the record was recorded by the state.

that's it.

But it is enough.

President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu.

[Alferd]

it all comes down to one thing....if BHO is a legal citizen, why won't he show his long form BC, his school records or medical records? Spent millions to not release the BC. You people who adore BHO have a total loss of reality. This is just plain and simple logic.

Posted by: wodiej

---end quote---

read the above, he doesn't have to show any of those things.

He is a natural born citizen who was born in Honolulu.

You lose.

[Brian H]

It's a CertificATION of Live Birth, people. NOT a CertificatE. See the spelling difference? There are two different levels of document, and this one isn't even accepted within Hawaii for official purposes.

MOREOVER, Hawaii denies ever receiving an application to print a 'Certification' for Obama, much less actually producing one. That's why the form# is blacked out --- it could be traced to the original that was Photoshopped for the web page.