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Supreme Court dumps Obama birth certificate challenge (also McCain's)

(UPDATE: Alan Keyes stoked the Obama birth certificate controversy anew in February 2009. See Ticket coverage here.)

(UPDATE: Alan Keyes stoked the Obama birth certificate controversy anew in February 2009. See Ticket coverage here.)

As predicted in The Ticket earlier today, the Supreme Court has dismissed without comment a New Jersey suit seeking to block the presidential inauguration of Barack Obama over allegations he's not a natural-born American.

Not that the ex-senator, who's named about half his Cabinet and heads for a lengthy Hawaiian vacation soon, seemed the slightest bit worried over the suit. (See news video below)

The main contentions have been that Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is a fake because he was born in Kenya, and because Obama's father was Kenyan, which was British at the time, Obama has dual citizenship, which isn't native-born American.

The same, now defunct suit by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey charged

that John McCain is not a native-born American either so couldn't become president. (His father, a career Naval officer, was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone when McCain was born.)

Even fewer were worried over the McCain possibility, given his parents' American citizenship and the location of birth being a U.S. Navy hospital on a U.S. military base in a then-U.S. territory.

Not to mention the minor implications of the Nov. 4 voting. (And, frankly, some have doubts about the citizenship of anyone in New Jersey.)

The court's dismissal means that the minimum four justices did not deem it worthy of an actual hearing. Another suit by Philip Berg of Pennsylvania remains at the court, arguing that not only is the Hawaiian certificate fake but that because Obama attended Indonesian schools that required local citizenship, he is also Indonesian.

But it looks increasingly like it's up to the "reader comments" sections of numerous blogs, including The Ticket, to continue the argument and settle the legality of the upcoming inauguration.

--Andrew Malcolm

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The Supreme Court filing (application, brief etc.) in the Connecticut Wrotnowski case is soooooo much better than that in the New Jersey Donofrio case (apparently hurredly written before the Nov 4 election) that I don’t think Team Obama should get too comfortable with the Court’s denial of the first case since the second case IS distributed for Dec 12 conference. How the heck can anyone effectively counter that (great work Leo).

move on. let it go. it's over because there's nothing there to talk about.

81% of republicans read the newspaper daily compare to 14% of democrats. shows you how uneducated the democrats are. I guess you picked the wrong party to support. HaHaHa and good bye.

There's a suit similar to Donofrio's, involving the Connecticut secretary of state.

These people are whiners: if they don't get their own way, they'll whine until someone swats them.

I don't think you're going to find any more interest in the subject on this blog than there is in the court.... because it's a non-subject. I don't even know why the media bothered at all.

The thing that bothers me the most about people like this guy from Jersey is that at a time when we should finally be coming together as a country, these people can't let go of the election loss. It's a done deal. Man, move on. Get behind your new president and and quit pokin' that dead pup. There's important business to be done in America and Obama is already moving us in the right direction. Oh, unless he's one of those rich folk that are gonna' lose their tax breaks... then I understand where the hostility comes from... still doesn't make his argument right, though...

Bergs is the most promising lawsuit although many more will show up as long as he does not produce his real BC. Dont trust the Hawaii officials, they are nice with him (it's a dem state) so they will smooth him although no hawaiian hospital seems to find records about Obama's birth. He was likely born in Kenya then registered in Hawaii therefore CANNOT be president in Jan09

Yeha, let's not sweat the small stuff, like the constitution of the United States huh LOL.

This issue will not be going away. Obama has been dishonest and secretive about his past. Anybody with a bit of common sense knows that online documents can be altered (as the factcheck docs appear to have been). True he has unknown docs on file in Hawaii, but he also has unknown sealed docs on file in Kenya. Why does he have sealed docs in KENYA??? I could go on an on. If he has nothing to hide, release the documents!


This Attorney has wasted the time of the justices. He should be sanctioned. He does not give full faith per the US Constitution, to documents issued by another state. He should have to explain to the bar why he is so nutty!

What is the point of as supreme court if they do not enforce the costitution of the Uniited States of America. If the rules do not apply to the president of the our country then what does? This is flagrerant disrespect for the law and what this country is founded upon? What is wrong with americans if they cannot see this??? I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND I CAN PROVIDE MY BIRTH RECORDS WHY CAN"T HE???????

As P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute." Now we know who it was at the moment Donofrio was born.

George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson also weren't born in the United States. They were British citizens at birth. Hence Jefferson is disqualified from being President. Thus his Louisiana Purchase was illegal. Which means Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri are not part of the United States. Therefore neither Harry Truman nor Bill Clinton were US-born. Truman signed the treaties ending World War 2, which means that is invalid and the USA is officially still at war with Germany and Japan.

Conspiracy theories are SO easy!

So, we still do not have a definitive answer!???

Leaving it up to "the Blogs" is useless considering the volume of ignorance and twisted "facts" I've been reading lately.

Obama is applying for the job of President, he should supply proof of his qualifications for the job to the satisfaction of his employer, the people of the United States.

His CertifiCATION of Live Birth posted on a web site is not the "proof" it is made out to be.

We need to see his CertifiCATE of Live Birth that has the original detailed information to make that determination.

Who's job is it to check this out anyway?

McCain's "Natural Born-ness" doesn't cut it either,
no matter how you twist the facts, Congress has no authority to retroactively change his status.

How did that communist guy Roger Calero born a citizen of Nicaragua, to foreign parents, on foreign soil get on so many ballots? Obviously NOBODY checks this stuff out. I can believe that no one has even asked up to now.

And who appointed "" as the final arbiter of citizenship issues? I don't see them mentioned anywhere in The Constitution.

Until Obama himself addresses this and provides unquestionable proof, the arguments will go on. (and on, and on...)

Being an attorney, Obama should know the law better than most. If his birth certificate turns out to be a fake, he cannot, by law, be the next U.S. President.

This is a conspirasy of world wide magnatude. Obama is a Manchurean canidate who is controlled by evil forces and when he is given the word by his masters he will order that all white people and Christians be slaughtered. All he had to do is show his papers if he was really borned in Hawaii. Id an AMrican citizen dont have standing about whop is the highest office of the land OUR PRESIDENT then there is no justice!!!!

Hahaha... Hey TexasOil -- Those 81% of Republicans only look at the comics page since many poorly educated right-wingers can't even read. You got it backwards -- a much higher percentage of folks with degrees are Democrat.

Obama's mother was U.S. citizen. That makes him a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born or who his father is. Here's the Law: check it out on We should bury this thing for good!

"The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

The requirements for citizenship and the very definition thereof have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." (See ref. for the Act of 1795)[2][3"

After reading all these comments one must conclude that the world (at least this part of it) is FULL of weirdos. Like AAAANDRE. The really scary part is -- what percentage of voters have such low intelligence??? A child born to U.S. citizen military parents at a military hospital at a U.S. military base overseas is thought not to be an American citizen? Okaaaaaaaaay.... time to go back to the 9th grade and do our U.S. Government homework again.

D Nicol has quite possibly the worst argument I have ever heard. No $h!t they weren't born in the U.S., maybe it's because, umm I dunno, there wasn't a U.S. to be born in?!?!

Why would Obama hire 3 LAW FIRMS to get these suits thrown out ? Why are you so sure that there isnt some deception going on here ? Where is your prrof..instead of bashing ordinary citizens who are concerned - show us some of your proof and i dont mean the cert of l birth that Obama put on his website. Hawaii allows that and it has been used for people born abroad !!! Show us a document with a doctor name on it and a hospital etc us a selective service registration that doesnt look like its altered - according to a Secret Service agent. Show us how Obama got into Pakistan in 1981 when it was illegal for a US citizen to do so. Show us the college records and thesis that he had sealed so we wont question whether he received financial aid as a foreign student . Why did all the other candidates come forth with this information EXCEPT OBAMA :???.....In short ...SHOW US WHY you are so so certain that everything is legitiimate. If you cant then stop bashing others who do care about this country and the Constitution. !!!

The only Native Americans are the Indians and you have them on the reservations. We finally have someone in the White House with a level of intelligence and you want to worry about this. This is why the Japanese are leading the auto industry. Americans cannot stay focused. Go save your homes from being foreclosed..........Can't we all just get along?

I suspect that a lot of these so-called "lawyers" filing these suits are simply running internet scams. Especially, Philip Berg. If not, it seems impossible that they could've passed the bar -- their legal understanding is simply too shaky. Given that they are all lawyers and yet file suits that don't have one iota of legal merit -- that are doomed to fail. Berg has a website requesting donations to help him with his "cause." He claims that filing these suits are expensive. But, it's clear that he's pretty much doing this on his own, and the filing fees aren't that high, so I'm guessing he lives off the extra, which could be considerable. It's actually in his own interest to file a worthless suit, because as soon as it fails he can then file another and claim to be "continuing the fight." He can milk these wingnuts until they're dry. That might be the real reason he wants to challenge Obama's every move throughout his Presidency: the money train will keep on rolling. Geez. Almost wish I'd thought of it.

Steve Hicks that is the most asiinine theory I have ever heard of in my life. The truth is all you people outraged about Obama birth cerrtificate are really upset for only ONE reason. It just KILLS you to have to accept a black man ( I am sure all of u have other kinder names for him then that, yea right) as your ,OMG,president. So you look for other ways to disquallify him instead of stating the REAL reason. His OFFICIAL BIrth Certificate was revelaed and shown 100 of times. Obama is not HIDING ANYTHING. He has been investigated, reported on all aspects of his life have been shown. THERE IS NO COSNPIRACY you NUT JOBS. Just Face it no matter how much of an open book Obama is no matter what he does you will always believe he is hiding something. He is NOT a secret Muslim, he is NOT planning to kill all White People, how would that be achieved ?? Everyione working with him and for him are white HIs closest friend and adviser, David Axelrod is white, do you think he is in on it too? Obama is half white, he is going to kill half of himself?? Come on guys use some logic here, dont bother to confuse youselfs with any FACTS.

D. Nichol's comments regarding Washington et al are totaly incorrect . Read the Constitiuton , It exempts those who became U S citizens upon the establishment of the U S.

This won't be the last, baseless, absurd, conspiracy theory that will be concocted or fed to a group poised to believe just about anything that someone says or writes down.

It is particularly amusing when these people by pass the blatant lies, scandals and damage done by those they support and complain about a trivial incident from years ago and make it sound as if it was a great catastrophe that went unnoticed by everyone else.

Obama's residency concern was a non-issue to begin with, now it has gone through the appropriate process and has been, appropriately, beaten down without comment.


Actually, McCain was born on a US Property, which does count as "Natural Born." Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth was accepting birth records for people born outside of Hawaii. Just because his birth was recorded there doesn't mean he was and it certainly doesn't count as natural born. His Grandmother discussed being at his birth in Kenya before her death. Bill Richardson, a future cabinet member, admitted on TV that Obama is an immigrant! Democrat or not, you should be concerned about how easily that constitution is overlooked. If you're not, you deserve whats coming.

What has been staring everyone in the face is the effects of political correctness and no one has seen it. The beauty of this liberal political correctness is that the person who forged this document got caught in their own trap of affirmative action hyphenated Americans.

Look closely at Stanley Ann Dunham's race. Caucasian.

Now look closely at Barack Hussein Obama sr's race. It is listed as African.
That doesn't seem all that interesting and no one has noticed it until one looks that this is an official document filed in August 1961.

Most people on the internet and blogging have no sense of history nor in the use of words and it is this lack of sense which is going to bite whoever forged this document.

Up until 1968, the standard term for all Africans was "negroe". This fit with the absolute secular scientific teaching of the day which notes the world has 3 races in Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid.
It was not until the Black Revolution when negroe or negro became a foul description in the late 1960's and then "black" was demanded by this group to describe them.
It was not until the late 1970's when political correctness came into vogue that it ushered in by the 1980's the term "African" to describe all blacks.

Whoever forged this birth certificate was not utilizing the 1960's terminology which a black person would be listed as. They fell instead into a warped year 2000 politically correct description of "African".

This is absolutely telling as if you looked at birth records in Prussia centuries ago, those people would be termed Prussian, Bavarian etc... as Germany did not yet exist as a termonology for nation state. If someone was listed as German in 1700, it would be glaring forgery just like the Obama forgery stuns the eyes once one knows what they are looking at.

One could research the certificates in Hawaii for absolutes, but considering as has been warned in this blog that Hawaii is a Democratic state, has Democratic officials who have been hemming and hawing about this certificate and only upon precise questioning do they start backing down as it means their jobs and prison time if they certify a forgery as real and this is Democratic transplanted son Barack Obama carrying on this charade, could one ever get a clear answer from them unless one looked at numbers of birth certificates to precisely learn how Hawaii was labeling "blacks".
If this case it is African, then why is not Stanley Ann Dunham labeled correctly North American after her continent? She though is labeled correctly as caucasian as that is exactly as she is.

If one still today searches enough death certificates in the 50 United States, you will find listed on them the term NEGRO. Now that is over 40 years since 1961 in Barack Obama's birth and political correctness has not reached completely into the coroner's records.
That fact is scientific and if it still exists today as proof it certainly is the proof from before 1900 in America and past 1960 that all blacks were noted as "negroe" or "negro" on all public records from birth certificates, marriage licenses, passports, driver's licenses to death certificates.

Whoever forged the Barack Obama birth certificate got caught in Mr. Obama's own political correctness.
In 1961 America, blacks were negroes and not Africans no matter if they came from Africa or not.
If one cares to examine the Negroe Leagues in baseball where blacks were to "pass" as Cubans to the United Negroe College Fund to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, there was no African at all in any terminology.
One was negroe on legal documents and "colored" in common usage.

No pixels in this. No questioning borders and no questions about the researcher's expertise as negroe is American history and scientific fact just like whoever forged the Obama birth certificate got caught in political correctness in not being able to use a term they were trained to avoid.

That is a fact. This birth certificate is a fake.

** Dont trust the Hawaii officials, they are nice with him (it's a dem state) so they will smooth him **

The governor here is a Republican who campaigned for McCain. The officials you mention are part of her GOP administration.

** although no hawaiian hospital seems to find records about Obama's birth. **

Could it be that hospitals don't disclose private information because of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA)? Health records can't be released by hospitals or doctors.

** He was likely born in Kenya then registered in Hawaii therefore CANNOT be president in Jan09 **

There was no law on the books in 1961 to enable Obama's mother to "register" the birth of a foreign-born child (that became possible when a law passed in 1982). And even if it had been possible, the document would have shown the country of birth. It would not have read "Honolulu."

The problem is this. Who exactly do you expect to be President if Obama is disqualified. If you think that there will be another election, you are mistaken. We would have to start back at the Primaries again, and that is not going to happen. Most likely it will be Joe Biden, the VP that was elected. Does anybody in either party want Joe Biden as our next President? I don't think that the Republicans do, hence they are keeping quiet. I don't think that the Democrats do, hence they are keeping quiet. Plus 64 million people said that they want Obama as the President. You don't tell 64 million people, "Oh, by the way, the person you just elected is not qualified to take the job, but we let him apply for the job anyways, because, --- ooops, everybody played pass the buck, and nobody is actually responsible for overseeing the application process. But all of us in the federal government (congress, Supreme Court, elective branch) should be allowed to keep our jobs and not go to jail." Not in this reality!

This is never going to come out, because it is too big of a security breach. Which makes both political parties equally responsible. The better route is to hold this over Obama's head and have somebody else pulling the strings behind the scene. Why do you think Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of State and all of Obama's team is Hillary's team? Do you honestly believe that Obama likes Hillary that much?

It is not a fair world, but if you understand the game, you can deal with it.

It's amazing how the liberals never care about right and wrong. They have their socialist president, and they don't care that he isn't constitutionally qualified. Of course, they've already shown how little they think of the constitution. Those who don't study history are condemned to repeat it.

The requirement is for the president to be a 'natural-born' citizen, not 'native-born' as the article states. They are not the same thing, as 'natural-born' has less of a clear definition than 'native-born' does. The constitution does not define the term; legal experts do not all agree on the definition of the term. If the requirement was 'native-born', neither McCain nor Romney would be eligible for the job, though the holder of a Hawaiian birth certificate would be a 'native-born' American.

D. Nicol states:
"George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson also weren't born in the United States. They were British citizens at birth. Hence Jefferson is disqualified from being President. Thus his Louisiana Purchase was illegal. Which means Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri are not part of the United States. Therefore neither Harry Truman nor Bill Clinton were US-born. Truman signed the treaties ending World War 2, which means that is invalid and the USA is officially still at war with Germany and Japan.

Conspiracy theories are SO easy!"

Hey D Nicol, a couple things:

According to Article 2 Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, "No person except a natural born citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

Washington, Adams, Jefferson were all Citizens, this is key here D Nicol, at the time of ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION. So they actually were citizens.

Obama is not likely to qualify under these stipulations unless, say, he's over TWO HUNDRED FORTY YEARS OLD.

Reading and understanding the Constitution that allows you to have an asinine opinion is not taboo. Try gaining an education on the subject prior to debating it.

As a federal government employee, I was required BY LAW to prove my United States citizenship. I did so in several different ways. How is it that our president to be is exempt from doing the same? If he has nothing to hide then why is he hiding anything? I'm not going to flat out say he wasn't born here, because I don't know, but if that were me I'd jump at the chance to clear my name and prove my citizenship. I just don't understand why he won't let people explore this issue any further.

I'm so tired of Dems who are so crushing on Obama that they cannot see past their own deceived ideology. Bottom line is that the Constitution has tried and true standards of excellence that we are all subject to, and seeing that Obama still cannot perform the simple task of presenting the original birth record ( he has multiple elves and hook-ups to get this done), it begs the question...what the hell is he hiding? Beware of a president elect who thinks that he is above the law, and too good for scrutiny.

Democracy is DEAD! I'm disgusted this fraud will be our president.

George Washington was born in Virginia, John Adams in Massachusetts, and Jefferson also in Virginia. Anyone born on US soil is granted citizenship, military bases outside our countries borders are considered US soil, just like embassies from other countries in the US are treated as an extension of that country. McCain citizenship should not be in question, born to US citizens, in a US territory, on a US base. Obama on the other hand, refuses to provide real proof of his birthplace, NO I don't consider a freshly printed document as proof. His grandmother is on record saying he was born in Kenya. I'll take her word over his any day. He won't produce his birth cert, he won't release info on where he got his funding, he did NOTHING his entire short time in the Senate, associates with terrorists, his brother is involved with terrorists...and people actually want him as our President?!?!? Remember the old videogame "Lemmings"?

The people fighting against Obama being a natural citizen should be the ones that the Secret Service should watch. I hope the new PRESIDENT OBAMA (you people just hate to see that!) will need more security than any president in history b/c of you crazies. AND the reason you are so out there is that you would twist the sacred US Constitution for your own purposes -- meaning, it is a FACT, no room for interpretation, a FACT that President-Elect Obama was born of a US Citizen, his mother, and that FACT makes him a naturally born US citizen -- no matter where was born. Simple FACT. What more is there to say. The people fighting this refuse to address this FACT directly b/c they a) know it would refute any of their arguments, b) they are irredeemable racists who can't imagine the idea of a black president, c)woefully uneducated, d) just stupid and uneducable, e) need to get a life and a real job v. Donofrio the guy leading this who is a slacker "professional" poker player/what College did he go to to learn that? ahead google's true, f) all of the above.

We will continue to treat Obama with the same respect that the Democrats treated Bush throughout his terms of office.

I love when Republicans call Democrats uneducated. Most scientists, engineers and computer people are Democrats. Salesmen, big business and country yokels make up the Republican party. Red states have the worst SAT scores and the worst schools and college attendance. Its no wonder Republicans read newspapers. They are usually computer illiterate.

Proof is what is needed to Quiet the Dissent. If Obama would produce a VALID Birth Certificate not the thing he put on the Net then I might believe him. But the Main POINT of the Argument is did he follow the Constitution? Not a hard question to answer. I coached Little League Football and for the Child to be able to play they had to produce a certified Copy of the Birth Certificate(Not a Certificate of live Birth.) Should an Eleven Yea old be held to higher standards to play football then someone wanting to be President? The supreme Court is a joke for not doing their Job this is their Job to police the Constitution and Verify the laws are being Upheld. If proof comes out after the fact what will happen? Will everything he has done be nullified or will we just roll over and allow the Constitution to be trampled Upon.

Stop guessing, idiots! Read the law...

7 FAM 1132.8 December 24, 1952
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)
a. The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) of 1952, the current law, has
been in effect since December 24, 1952.

7 FAM 1133.2-1 Section 301 Text as of October 25, 1994
(CT:CON-204; 11-01-2007)

g. a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its
outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a
citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was
physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a
period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which
were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods
of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods
of employment with the United States Government or with an
international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the
International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288)
by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is
physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter
and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with
the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United
States Government or an international organization as defined in section
1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in
order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph.
This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24,
1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form
on that date

How long is this stupid nonsense going to go on. The conspiracy theories against Obama have no merit whatsoever in fact or in law, and are motivated by racism and/or barking lunacy. But hey, if you idiots want to spend a fortune losing lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit, knock yourselves out.

For all of you who are claiming, "the Constitution is too important to ignore" or "its a job, show your requirements" please stop lying to all of us including yourself. If you were there in Hawaii with your hands catching the afterbirth while eating poi on the fourth of July wearing a leis and drinking Kona coffee, it wouldn't matter to you. You do not really care whether or not how official his documents are, you just dont want him to be president. I don't either, but it is what it is. Get over it. Republicans, my brothers, we put together a terrible hope in McCain and in return we caught Palin because he couldn't get his way either with Lieberman. This is why we lost. Life sucks, but it is always worth living.

The thing that bothers me the most is that we still do not know who President-elect Obama is. I would argue that several people voted for him based on emotion, color of skin, and pure hate for President Bush. And for that we harmed our country.

I think his cabinet choices are disturbing some of his liberal base, and his undisputed associations, that were and are still swept under the, rug are still unknowns by a lot of us.
Now on the eve of the inauguration his association to the Illinois Governor comes into question.

Strategist plays what ifs. Whether you are a military strategist, a business continuity strategist, or a public safety strategist; you play the what if. So what if these questions about his associations are true. What if he is not a US born citizen? What if he truly does have hatred towards America like what was professed from the pulpit that he so listened to Sunday after Sunday?

Liberals, and liberal media, are quickly to dismiss, without prejudice, the possibility that this man is not whom we think or know him to be. And the right is quickly to condemn with the same zealous vindictive reasoning.

As a county I think we failed to fully investigate a man who will hold our future in his hands, action, and words. We were so rushed for change; we were so rushed for a black man to be in the Whitehouse; we were so rushed to move past the Bush era, that we failed to fully understand the person.

Am I excited about change, a new horizon, a different approach, new ideas? Of course so, but I am scared of who we have elected to take us there.

I do not know what is fiction or what is truth anymore.

David Souter of the US Supreme Court should push for the birth certificate to become public of Obama other-
wise the US Constitution is waste paper. Souters home
state of NH has already done that by refusing to honor a court order under full faith credit laws from CT in MacFarlane v Rich 132 NH 608. Rather, the NH judicial
moles rewrote the court order from CT in a ridiculous
violatiion of US Constitutional due process. MacFarlane v Rich is an outrageous piece of legal rubbish because
MacFarlane was never legally married to Rich and David
Souter has his signature on that NH case law! David
Souter, protect the law of our land, the US Constitution!

Arguing on the internet is like...being in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still a retard. Let it go people.

Wrong, Rick! Doesn't matter if this birth certificate is real or not as long as his mother is American-born.(not "borned," Steve - go back to grammar school, please)

Civics class, people!!

Let it go. That is all that needs to be done. Apparently some people can read newspapers, name call and patronize others with out actually doing research. Like knowing before hand what the Hawaiian birth certificate (BC stands for British Columbia) actually looks like. Some states, Florida being one, have actually changed what their birth certificates look like. I have three, all of them look different but are in fact proper legal documentation and I hold a security clearance higher than most. Some one (smarter than the people on these rants) somewhere has thoroughly checked Obama's credentials and they are legitimate. He has a dual citizen ship and is a natural born citizen, end of story. One more thing, does anyone else notice that all of the "educated" people and conspiracy theorists have improper syntax and seem not to know how to use the spell check? Oh, but they do read the newspaper daily so I guess that makes it okay to say others are slow on the uptake. Maybe that makes the daily newspaper reader no on the uptake. Last point, not one of the american people "lost" the election, everybody "won". Although the president is not elected by popular vote, the electoral college decided that the American people knew what they wanted and listened. It is time to actually listen to ourselves and try to make the country better for all not just some.

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