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Gloria Allred, outspoken Clinton backer, muzzles herself to make a point

DENVER -- Leave it to the media-savvy (some would say media-obsessed) Gloria Allred to find a way to dramatically publicize her discontent as a disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporter at Barack Obama's convention.Los Angeles lawyer and Hillary Clinton supporter Gloria Allred finds a way to make her point at the Democratic National Convention

Allred, a Los Angeles attorney and a member of the California delegation at the confab, told The Times' John Mitchell she was fed up with delegation leaders rebuffing her efforts to give Clinton her due.

She said she had wanted to honor Clinton's "historic candidacy" in an address to fellow delegates at their Tuesday morning breakfast, but was turned down. She wanted to meet with other Clinton delegates privately, but was refused.

So (in what is usually her move of first-resort) she decided to take her case to the media.

She tied a cloth napkin around her mouth and distributed a flier asking the question: "Why is Gloria being gagged?"

Later, she said she wants to "fight for Obama, but first I want to honor the votes that were cast for Clinton."

-- Don Frederick

Photo credit: John Mitchell/Los Angeles Times

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Can she keep this on after the DNC? That would be perfect!

I hope she continues to wear it upon her return to L.A. What a nut.

"Why is Gloria being gagged?" I can think of a number of reasons, not the least of which is that she's the worst example of the abuse of feminism as an ideal. I for one am enjoying the rare silence.

Never seen Ms. Allred look better!

Gloria Allred takes some hits for her provocative ways, but this time I agree with her 200%.

http://www.HILLARY-WINS.com
http://www.CAUCUSCHEATING.com
http://www.FAIR-REFLECTION.com

Go Gloria!
Thanks for representin' us.

You rock and we appreciate your work.

It's amazing how easily fooled the American public is! Granted that Michelle Obama gave a fantastic speech last night. BUT, it is after all, just a speech! Carefully crafted, and beautifully worded. Just like all of Obama's speeches have been.

It doesn't change the fact that it was only 2 months ago that he threw Rev. Wright, Rezko, Ayers, et al under the bus! AFTER 20 years of affiliation, and only when it became politically expedient and necessary, IF he wanted to get elected. He still is not qualified to lead on day one, and we still don't know who he really is!

It was only 6 years ago that he and his family lived in a cramped condo... how does one go from a community organizer, state senator, US senator into a presidential candidate in such a short time? 6 years from a cramped condo into a multi-million dollar home? Yes he wrote books... which only sold AFTER he declared his candidacy... $4 million dollars worth last year. Ever wonder who is the kingmaker behind Obama?

You have to wonder if acting childish has worked for her all these many many many years.

Gloria Allred gives new meaning to the term "media whore."

Gloria, stand your ground. I am a Hillary supporter who agrees with you and I will not vote for Barack Obama.

she gives liberals a bad name

Obviously its all a plot by Karl Rove.

And Gloria wonders why she isn't taken seriously. Please keep the gag on-- permanently. Hilary Clinton has risen above politics, thank goodness. Too bad many of her misguided supporters have not.

Gloria Allred is a true hero. She has stood up for human rights and worked her ass off as a single mum to get to where she is right now. If she has beef with the media over this issue, then I'm kind of on the side of Gloria. The media is male dominated, would Clinton get all this bashing if she was a man? She gained more votes than any other candicy who 'lost.' Stop dismissing women who stand up for equal rights and calling them "feminists" like it's a bad thing. This is a mans world and what happened to Clinton in the media, proves it yet again. We just want to be treated equal...you know, like Obama. Anyone who dismisses one of the top human rights activists in this country is a loser. Ask yourself, what have you done for your country? Huh? Or do you just fight for your own kind?

I support Clinton.

Please Gloria, make it permanent.

It is interesting to compare your coverage of Allred's antics on this issue to the way the LAT covered her during the Gray Davis recall election.

After the Times broke the eleventh-hour story of alleged sexual improprieties by Arnold Schwarzenegger, made by a few credible-sounding women, several other less-credible women came out of the woodwork with similar stories, all represented by Ms. Allred. The Times gave Ms. Allred daily front-page coverage for her charges. She was portrayed by the Times in those stories as a serious attorney, and no mention was ever made of her long-standing ties to the Democratic party.

Your readers back then could have benefitted from the same dismissive framing that you helpfully provide for Ms. Allred when she attacks Obama.

A lawyer trying to up-stage everyone? What a shocker!

A Clinton backer that won't accept reality? What a shocker!

A rich chick from LA behaving like a loon? Not such a shocker.

No Clinton will ever be elected to the Presidency ever again. Not in 2008, not in 2012 and certainly not in 2016 when Hills is 69. They should be good little people and thank Satan for all their blessings.

So hell really DOES freeze over...

So Obama comes from rags to some riches in a few years. But McCain doesnt know how many houses he owns. Don't they all, who go to Washington, benefit.

Take a close look at McCain. His public service has not hurt his financial status much, has it.

Unfortunately, this is more about Gloria Allred than about Hillary Clinton or feminism. It's about time folks begin to realize that men, too, can be feminists -- and Barack Obama is one. This country is in a huge mess and we must collaborate to put our communities back together. Please Ms. Allred et al, put your ego and ego-driven drama to rest.

Gloria Alred is simply Karl Rove in drag.

Its too late Gloria, but its not Hillary that Obama has to worry about, nor McCain, but a wiry fellow named Lieberman. Senator Lieberman to be exact. A fellow the country listens to and believes (why I do not know??). After Liebermans speech at the Republican convention, Obama will be lucky to hold his Senate seat. Its Obama own fault for collaring Lieberman on the senate floor that June day in front of the media.

Wonderful, all of you Clinton backers who won't vote for Obama will be blamed if McCain wins. You'd rather tear your nose off to spite your face than accept reality.

For a lawyer, Allred is acting pretty immature...like a sore loser. Give us a break!

Thanks for giving more ammo to conservative talk show hosts ...

So they are going to HALT THE ROLL CALL tomorrow night if Hillary gets more votes than Obama! Way to go, Democrats!
We are throwing the presidency away on an unelectable candidate who is NOT the Democrat's choice.

This will damage the Democratic party for 20 years.

Only Hillary gets my vote. I will NEVER get over what my party has done this year.

In a democratic society, a leader would recognize that everyone should be heard. By refusing to listen and critizing people who don't agree with you, you only drive them further away. If only part of the Hillary votes go to McCain, the election could be lost. Don't be blaming Hillary. Blame the chosen leader who is not reaching out to unite the otherside.

What is so funny is she gagged herself. Nobody is censuring her, it is just nobody is willing to listen to her nonsense.

The term "Media Whore" suits her to a tee . . . she shames anyone who is genuinely concerned about equality or rights with all her eagerness to constantly be in front of the media, haranguing like a banshee. As a woman I am embarrassed by her lack of class, style or content . . . it seems to be all about getting her name out there, taking any case regardless of its true merit just to get her name in the paper, not really caring about what the results are just me me me me me.

Any feminist that votes for McCain because of the frustration felt when Obama won the nomination is a fool. McCain is anti-choice, anti-equal pay for equal work, and is in the position to place judges on the supreme court that agree with him. There will be other elections, and Senator Clinton has paved the way either for her presidency the next time she runs, or another one of the many able women politicians who will be inspired by her performance. The most important thing to do now is make sure that Obama is elected president.

A bottom feeder at it's best.

That's a good look for you Ms. Allred!!!

How about just pulling up the turtleneck sweaters that you seem to favor year round.

You'll do anything for publicity!

Congratulations, Clinton supporters, on setting back getting a woman into the White House another twenty years with your childish antics. Get over yourselves.

Go ahead and don't vote for Obama, preventing him from naming Hillary to the Supreme Court and keeping Roe v. Wade from being overturned. All because you're in a snit, because you feel Obama doesn't feel your pain enough. Can anybody feel your pain enough? Doubt it.

Change! Change!

Yeay, go Obama.

If any of the Democrats were the least bit curious about Obama now might be a good time to ask him some questions. You know, small things like, "Do you have any track record of success at anything?"

"Tell me about the most important policy decision you have made in the last 12 months.".


I'm a liberal and she's the perfect person to represent our fine Democratic party.

If you don't like her, you need to leave the Democratic party. It's not for you. You must be a racist or sexist.

She's kind of short and fat. With cankles. Time marches on.

Well, she's always interested me. Now I think she's just self obsessed. She doesn't even respect the person she's supposedly trying to honor--Sen. Clinton--because she, Gloria, knows better. Keep the napkin in, gal.

Only one and a half more days and we won't have to hear about Billary any more. Let's get on with the election for crying out loud. It's over Billary, shut up and go home!

Sigh. Hillary lost. Antics like this get her nowhere. Antics like this get the party nowhere. Antics like this help to ensure that Hillary isn't elected in 2012 or any election thereafter. Leaves a sour taint to everyone's memory. Barack won fair and square, according to the rules. No one likes the electoral college either, but we have to abide by it so long as it's on the books. Anyway. Ridiculous showing Gloria. What an embarrassment to Clinton supporters. Except the crazy ones, of course. Sad!

Attention ginger liu:
Gloria is not a human rights activist or a hero as you say. She is a media whore who will sell herself to the highest bidder. She chases after cases for the purpose of making herself richer, not because she believes in the cause. Also, the type of feminism we often see where women hate men and demand equality for everything (even when it's not earned or deserved) is a "bad thing". Feminism that looks for respect and equality, when deserved, is a good thing. It's important to distinguish between the two.

Can't we throw under the bus "throwing under the bus" yet?

Thankfully, some one had to speak up. This is the most corrupt Democratic convention. It is refreshing for someone to finally tell it like it is. If the DNC and Obama camp think what they are doing is going to win them votes, they are sadly mistaken. Shame on the DNC, Obama campaign for oppression the delegates, people of America. Thank you Gloria Allred.


These people most truly be sick...

Posted by: Rolland | Aug 25, 2008 6:00:46 PM

This is just so immature.

Posted by: vickie | Aug 25, 2008 6:05:36 PM

Split the Democratic Party in half already.
The Clinton moderates, and the Obama/Pelosi/Dean far left loonies.

Posted by: JA | Aug 25, 2008 6:07:18 PM

seems to me if this was there party since Clinton left office ...we didn't do so good.

It's not your part so you can cry if you want t...
too easy
lol

Posted by: dl | Aug 25, 2008 6:07:30 PM

dl,
Speak coherent English. What are you saying?

Posted by: JA | Aug 25, 2008 6:11:55 PM

"Caucus fraud, Caucus fraud!" they yelled.
==================================

The above statement is true.....
It did happen in several states....

Hillary supporter for McCain.

Posted by: NICHOLAS | Aug 25, 2008 6:15:28 PM

Looks like the fighting has begun. One delegate called another an "uncle tom", and now they're calling for the resignation.
Ugly fast. LOL!

Posted by: JA | Aug 25, 2008 6:24:23 PM

Can you believe this folks. do you really want 4 more years of any republican in offic? I know they are all politicians and usually say what they think you want to hear, but overall there is some difference in the party philosophies. The Democrat Party really needs to get on with the "business" of bringing some healing to the country.

Posted by: Clyde | Aug 25, 2008 6:26:20 PM

NICHOLAS,

The Clinton campaign lost many of the caucus races, because they didn't take them seriously.

Primary caucuses have been around for a very long time. All of a sudden because Clinton lost a number of those caucuses, you have a problem with them!!

Posted by: Jennifer | Aug 25, 2008 6:27:04 PM

Two groups one of 10 and one of 15!

My God it's a Revolution!

Posted by: Thinking | Aug 25, 2008 6:29:21 PM

NEWS FLASH!

The "so-called" angry Hillary supporters are actually Republicans in disguise, trying to thrown a wrench in the works!

Let's start treating them like the Repuke-licans they are!!! Let's call a spade a spade, and hammer these idiots!

Democrats must unite or we are going to be "hood-winked" into another 4 or 8 years of the utter and complete failure the Republicans have brought on our country!

Throw the BUMS OUT!!!!

Vote Democrat, Obama/Biden '08!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | Aug 25, 2008 6:31:35 PM

"My God it's a Revolution!"


"Rise Hillary Rise"

The shout heard round the world.

Posted by: Mack | Aug 25, 2008 6:32:54 PM

NICHOLAS,

Do you sit down to pee as well? You Republican loser!!!

Obama/Biden '08!!!

Posted by: Davis | Aug 25, 2008 6:33:48 PM

I voted Republican in almost every election since '76 (Carter in '80), but I cannot afford another four years of Bush economics. My income has eroded steadily as my investments all collapsed. I will vote Democrat this year regardless of who ends up nominated. Clinton supporters better smarten up. Get a figgen clue already.

Posted by: Toldeo Ron | Aug 25, 2008 6:34:01 PM

OBAMA IS THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CANDIDATE - SOMEONE NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PREZ OBAMA IS WHERE HE IS BECAUSE HE IS HALF BLACK!!!!


NO HILARY = NOBAMA!

PUMA 08!!!

GO MCCAIN 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ricky | Aug 25, 2008 6:36:52 PM

The Clinton voter for McCain is a media driven myth. I have talked to many people who voted for Hillary in the primaries, and not one of them is considering voting for McCain. The press wants to stoke up some nasty little spat to spice their dry election coverage.

Posted by: Joe W | Aug 25, 2008 6:38:47 PM

" ... one of the newly-minted McCain supporters said ... "

More like Newly Brain Washed ...

Posted by: HC4BO | Aug 25, 2008 6:39:31 PM

I saw that pig Matthews working the Obama crowd too, and treating the Hillary supporters horribly....free frickin speech in this country and they are being threatened to express their disappointment in the fraud of this primary process! DEMS FOR McCAIN ALL THE WAY....the Republicans never f it up on the way to the WH.
HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Posted by: Debra | Aug 25, 2008 6:41:18 PM

"The Clinton voter for McCain is a media driven myth."

Bigfoot is a myth, Clinton voters for McCain is real.

Posted by: Mack | Aug 25, 2008 6:42:35 PM

The Olympics was only the latest evidence that America is not as strong as she used to be. A communist country effectively used their rising middle-class to put on the greatest show ever AND win the most gold medals. There were just too few Moms’s and Dad’s like Michael Phelp’s or Shawn Johnson’s who’s sacrifice was enough to propel their kids to the top. The rest were too distracted by mortgage failures, medical expenses, gas prices and educational budget-cuts, all problems that grew during two+ decades of rising corporate tax-cuts and profits.

This election is possibly the last chance to save the working middle-class and everything it does for this country. It is unbelievable that many voters are still voting based on identity politics..."my vote will only go to a 'woman' or 'war vet' or "someone more like me" They deserve what they get.

Posted by: Young Atheart | Aug 25, 2008 6:45:22 PM

You Obama supporters need to use your spellcheckers.

Posted by: Sluggo | Aug 25, 2008 6:50:42 PM

I haven't see Obama's favorite Rap star, Ludacris, on the list of entertainers.

Maybe if the add him to the schedule to sing his tribute to Obama it will help unite the party. You know-- the song where he referred to Hillary as a b***h.

Posted by: Gracie | Aug 25, 2008 6:51:12 PM

"A communist country effectively used their rising middle-class to put on the greatest show ever AND win the most gold medals."

Huh? Didn't we used to get beat by the Soviets too? Except for the "miracle on ice".

Posted by: Mack | Aug 25, 2008 6:51:24 PM

"You know-- the song where he referred to Hillary as a b***h."

Maybe that will be the new national anthem if Barry is elected?

Posted by: Mack | Aug 25, 2008 6:53:14 PM

To all you guys stupid full-of-hate repubs/fake-hillary supporters, and even true hillary supporters planning to switch for Mc Cain:

I'm not from the U.S., but here in Europe we have great expectactions about this presidential race's issue.

I don't see where's the point saying Obama isn't prepared. Like Kennedy was? Lincoln was?

The guy may not be at his top rendering, but he's a real hope not only for America, but for the whole world. Do yourselves a favor and please stop thinking about your own as**. This election's issue will affect not only your fate, but the whole world's.

You've been having the worst presidency ever for eight years now, making a shame of your country and its values,

1st: Patriot Act and terminating Civil Liberties

2nd: Not signing Kyoto and F***** the whole planet with your pollution

3rd: Invading and destroying a Foreign Country not one of you knows about, which was a cornerstone of our world's culture, burning down 4000 years of history, firing up a whole region, slaughtering millions of families, kids, people who never asked for your coming, all that not even for oil, but to profit the few selfish b*stards running your country and making fun of you who voted and RE-voited for them,

4th: By the same way making the Oil's price skyrocketting worldwide,

5th: Making your own country hated by every other one and even more unsecure for the next century.

I grew up loving America, for what it represented: hope, change, freedom. I still do, but please, make yourselves a favor, and get the man who's willing to bring back those values.

And, oh, I just feel those who can't stand the guy just have an unadmitted something against non-white running the country.

Even that would be a pride guys, you would show the world what you really are able of, what your true values are, you would be the first ones and lead the world again.

I repeat, please make youselves a favor.

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 6:58:21 PM

Gold Medals in the Olympics -- at least the US won in sports that I consider sports - track, swimming, basketball and volleyball, and gymnastics. Also, we didn't cheat and send under aged children who are taken from their parents to train for the Olympics. No insult -- but I can't get really worked up over badminton and ping-pong and country that didn't think some little girl with a beautiful voice wasn't pretty enough to be part of the opening ceremony -- so they had "perfect" little girl lip sync.

You think China is good -- go ahead and move there. They have such a great record on human rights.

Posted by: susie | Aug 25, 2008 6:59:44 PM

If McCain picks a woman for VP Obama won't win a state.

Posted by: John | Aug 25, 2008 7:00:08 PM

"I'm not from the U.S., but here in Europe we have great expectactions about this presidential race's issue."

When he loses the election we'll send him to Europe so that you may worship him in the flesh.

Posted by: Mack | Aug 25, 2008 7:00:53 PM

As a woman, I am disgusted by the Obama camp and its arrogance -- they have no regard for the amount of hard work and dediction that Hillary poured into her campaign. Obama associates with scum that likes to marginalize and dismiss women (keeping that glass ceiling in place). There is absolutely no way that I will vote for Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Joanna | Aug 25, 2008 7:02:31 PM

Looks like Obama's rude, insulting, and arrogant supporters are reaping exactly what they have sown. According to them they are going to win this election by a landslide and that they don't need Hillary or her supporters -- so why do they seem so upset?

Posted by: Political Realist | Aug 25, 2008 7:02:32 PM

Amazing - they're going to reject the candidate whose positions would further their own interests, the one who adores his wife and daughters, for the one whose policies would set them back 40 years, who left his injured wife for a trophy wife he doesn't even respect. When the cows are led to slaughter, at least they don't think they're teaching the chickens a lesson ...

and if they think it will be Hillary's turn in '12 after they sabotage Obama, do they really think his coalition will just say, "Hey, you were right, forgive our apostasy and sign us up?"

The GOP understands just two things - anger and fear. If we allow them to use them against us then we really will be on the road to a second-rate nation, and the world will watch, some with disgust, others with glee.

Posted by: Scott | Aug 25, 2008 7:03:05 PM

Davis:

NEWS FLASH!!

I am an angry, Hillary supporter, and I have been a Democrat since I first registered to vote more than thirty years ago.

I am NOT a Republican, and never will be. But if I had been able to take the time from work and travel to Denver, I would have been there with the rest of the PUMAs, and Hillary supporters.

I doubt if very many of them (if any) are "Republicans in Disguise."

If the recent polls have not shown you Obama bloggers how serious these Democratic former Hillary supporters are, how determined they are to not vote for Obama, and the damage they can do come November, you must still be drinking that kool-aid.

Posted by: SandyB | Aug 25, 2008 7:03:32 PM

Tell all these b's to shut the f up -- my main man Barack Hussein Obama is in charge now and he gonna hook me up. He said that I am a great talent -- that's my bizzoy.

Posted by: Ludacris | Aug 25, 2008 7:04:35 PM

Wait till you see the video that comes out in October of Barack Obama mocking Hillary Clinton and laughing all about it with Chuck Hagel and Jack Reed. Good stuff from Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: October Surprise | Aug 25, 2008 7:07:54 PM

TO MACK:

If he looses the election, get prepared to pay 10$ a gallon, then sell your house to the bank and get your a** kicked by China, Iran, Russia alltogether and don't expect us to send our help this time, stupid.

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:08:20 PM

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 6:58:21 PM

Good thing you're not an American huh! If Obama makes the weak pathetic euros happy then I will gladly vote for McCain!

PUMA 08!!!!!
NO HILARY = NO OBAMA!

GO MCCAIN

Posted by: Ricky | Aug 25, 2008 7:08:49 PM

The Obama campaign called our home in MN looking for support tonight. I told them to SHOVE it. All the women in this family, 4 of voting age, are VOTING FOR MCCAIN IN PROTEST!

Posted by: mary | Aug 25, 2008 7:11:31 PM

To Julted: first of all, it is "loses", not "looses". If Barack Hussein Obama wins, why in the world do you think gas prices would drop? Because the Messiah will declare that it shall be? Will he turn one gas can of gas into millions of gallons of gas for all?

And I'm sure we would have nothing to worry about with foreign powers -- after all, the One's policy of appeasement and calling for mediation between Russia and Georgia while he goes bogey boarding in Hawaii really demonstrated the Big Stick that Barack Hussein Obama would wield as the leader of the free world.

Posted by: MACK | Aug 25, 2008 7:11:48 PM

The Obama campaign called our home in MN looking for support tonight. I told them all the voting age women in our family were VOTING MCCAIN to send a message. The message is OBAMA STOLE the nomination by using our ridiculous caucus system to get the far leftys out in mass to vote for him! NO MORE OBAMA!

Posted by: martha | Aug 25, 2008 7:13:27 PM

This woman is voting for McCain!

Posted by: betty | Aug 25, 2008 7:14:17 PM

julted; how is obama going to drop gas prices? is the messiah obama going to turn water into gas?

obama will not get this female vote.

Posted by: betty | Aug 25, 2008 7:15:35 PM

Hillary will get the nomination, Obama isn't even an American citizen. His mother was, but she was only 18 when "the one" was born, she would have had to be 19. Hillary will point his out this week.

Posted by: Bill | Aug 25, 2008 7:18:17 PM

To Mack:

1/ Maybe for the man thinks about the future and real solutions like responsible alternative energy and US Independence in that matter instead of going "Drill NOW" like McCain-who-does-not-have-a-clue-and-does-not-care-either just for electoral purposes(the guy jumped on that one so obviously during the campain while having always been against it - and for sure still is cause he's certainly not THAT stupid).

2/ I'm glad you can put the two words "Foreign" and "Powers" one behind another now that after 8 years of such a disastrous foreign policy of Bush's government led you to such a low level, weak state you're apparently gladly willing to deepen. Especially with China and Iran that like you guys so much.

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:23:02 PM

Why can't Democrats ever behave themselves?

Posted by: Obama/Biden/Rezko 2008 | Aug 25, 2008 7:25:19 PM

---I'm not from the U.S., but here in Europe we have great expectactions about this presidential race's issue.---


We have great expectations (apparently there's no spell check in Europe) for Europeans as well. But, time and time again, you fail to impress Americans.

And, to be quite honest, your opinion doesn't mean anything so carry on with your own failures.

Posted by: Rachel | Aug 25, 2008 7:27:59 PM

Hillary! We will never surrender!!!

Posted by: Wisnit | Aug 25, 2008 7:28:13 PM

THE McIDIOT CAMP CALL MINE HOUSE ASKING FOR SUPPORT. I REPLIED I BEEN DEMOCRAT FOR 36 YEARS AND I BE DAMMED TO TURN REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!! ALSO EVERY VOTER IN MINE HOUSE AGREE--4 VOTERS!

Posted by: READY999 | Aug 25, 2008 7:29:02 PM

Ummmm....this is all just a ploy in an attempt to fool the Republicans and the media that there will be all kinds of in-fighting. I think it is a game the libtards like to play.
They will kiss and make up by the end of this horror show. They will appear to unite...like good little communist supporters....Have no fear, Barry will be the nominee and 'Hill and the Bubba' will be back again in 4 more years to play the useful idiots as suckers again.

Posted by: Sandra | Aug 25, 2008 7:29:05 PM

To Rachel,

I certqinly can misspell typing on the keyboard like most of us, but I can speak 5 different languages fluently, thanks to our "failed" european educational system. Sure ou can do the same girl.

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:29:49 PM

So, Ready999..gonna get some "edumacation" to fix that there spelling problem you have or are you just gonna live up to being a real liberal dem and go the affirmative action route?

Posted by: Sandra | Aug 25, 2008 7:31:54 PM

Wow, I'm impressed.

All that knowledge and you still haven't figured out that Obama Hussein is an empty suit?

How do you say "arrogant, presumptuous, elitist" in French? No wonder you're an Obama fan.

Posted by: Rachel | Aug 25, 2008 7:34:50 PM

Why does everything have to be Obamma/ Hillary why can't people get along,have you ever thought that Obamma might give Hillary a good position in his cabinet where she will do more good than a Vise President, could be something to do with Health Care Hillary needs to be in a position where her hands aren't tide down to get something done for the American people, lets all jus hope for the good of the nation that Obamma thinks very heavily on this issue!

Dennis

Posted by: Dennis 100% Disabled Veteran | Aug 25, 2008 7:35:45 PM

"A handful of Clinton supporters also dogged MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews, calling him a "sexist pig" and booing him as he walked onto the network's set."
Bet that got the dimwit's leg tingling!

Posted by: Au_H@O | Aug 25, 2008 7:36:08 PM

SANDRA---THAT WHY ALL YOU SORRY A-- PUMAS S--K!!!!!!1! SORRY LOSERS.

Posted by: READY999 | Aug 25, 2008 7:36:19 PM

As an Obama fan, I sincerely hope that John McCain wins. These angry middle-aged women will feel the blunt instrument of McCain's Bush re-enactments the most, and they shall wail then even more than they do now. The spectacle will provide for delightful, albeit ironic, comedy.

Posted by: NoYouCant_NoYouCant | Aug 25, 2008 7:38:00 PM

Not really an Obama fan, just a US fan. Of what it used to be, before theses last 8 years.

You're welcome to try and get more than "straight talk" too for you and your kids at school. Just use your brain and vote for somebody who'll care about them instead of just sending them to the slaughter in a country they don't know, Rachel.

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:38:23 PM

I love it...the Dems are so pathetic. 0bama IS the Affirmative Action candidate. Hillary was/is/always will be awful, but at least she wears the pants in her family.

Posted by: Tim | Aug 25, 2008 7:42:58 PM

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:38:23 PM

HEY EURO TRASH WHAT PATHETIC SOCIALIST COUNTRY ARE YOU IN NOW?

Posted by: Ricky | Aug 25, 2008 7:43:10 PM

Julted-

Stay where you are...we don't need anymore of what you have to offer. The Democrat Socialist Party adores you, so we are all stocked up on crazy.

Just think though, when Europe is finally over-run with jihadists, Democrats will let you be taken as slaves...if you are lucky.

Posted by: Tim | Aug 25, 2008 7:49:38 PM

Julted, you have no idea how much sacrifice has already been made by my family. My family, generation after generation, have fought in strange lands, to protect freedom and democracy. Even to help your sorry Euro arse - YOU'RE WELCOME. So, please, be sure to remind your kids that it was American sacrifices, like MINE that made it possible for them to be tucked in their beds, warmly, at night.

Posted by: Rachel | Aug 25, 2008 7:49:58 PM

Hey Ricky Trash,

so funny when one comes with something else than insults you just have to throw these two adverbs Pathetic & socialist together in his face.

Right now I'm in Spain now, drinking mojito and eating delicious food before a nice party. I'll then probably go around to Italy or Greece these next days. You should fly arounfd man, we have nice wine, nice landscapes and all. Oh and universal healthcare and free schools and university for everybody. And our kids don't shoot their classmates: they don't have guns ;)

Oh so late by the way, ciao pal, I'm out to party. Hope you guys can take your heads out of your bu**s this time and spare us all another 4 years of shame on you like last 8 ones.

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:50:04 PM

SANDRA----IF YOU NOT A PUMA THEN YOU MUST BE A PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN.YEAH BUT BELIEVE IN SENDING INNOCENT PEOPLE TO THEIR DEATHS IN BUSH AND 100 YEAR McIDIOT WARS. HYPOCRIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: READY999 | Aug 25, 2008 7:51:32 PM

Before I go Rachel,

no worries we'll never forget, but we'll forget either that this happened when US was the nation of Peace & Freedom, not Fearmongers & Oilcorporations.

Ciao bella

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:52:36 PM

"I am Hillary Clinton and I do NOT approve this message."

Posted by: El_Pajaro | Aug 25, 2008 7:52:43 PM

Re; Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 6:58:21 PM

Put a sock in it, Julted! You Euroweenies think we're so "enlightened" running a clean, articulate (according to Biden) black man for president..but show me one, just one, major European country that has a black anywhere near that level! But you think it's perfectly wonderful for us!

Posted by: sabre460 | Aug 25, 2008 7:52:51 PM

All the so-called Hilary Supporters for McCain are either sexist or racist and they will justify their actions by placing all kinds of baseless blames on Obama.

I recall the primary. And I recall vividly how undignified and very negative Hilary Clinton's campaign was toward Obama. Obama ran a very effective and positive primary and restrained the campaign from being negative toward Clinton.

I have a healthy respect for Hilary Clinton's accomplishments and her intelligence. While she turned me off during the primaries I also realized that she was fighting to win what she had obviously worked hard for for a long time. But Hilary lost to a very good and prepared candidate. Voting out of malice against Obama does not help Hilary supporters' cause in any way. After your vote against Obama, whether he wins or loses, you would still not be fulfilled because the candidate you really want (Hilary) is not on the ticket. If Obama has truly hurt you (which I really doubt), perhaps you can heal by being magnanimous and vote for your party.

Concerns about Obama's readiness are really baseless. Anyone who runs the kind of effective and positive primary he ran (to beat Hilary no less) certainly must be respected. He was the underdog. Also, he is surrounding himself with effective and capable people. And he certainly is quite accomplished (Harvard Law graduate, Professor of American Constitutional Law, etc.) And he is well-liked abroad. These are all positives for the US.

The truth is, it is virtually impossible for Obama to make America less off than he met it under Bush. He is a pragmatic and listening guy with trusted and experienced advisers to work with. His background as a community organizer shows that he does care for the common man. And for those who are concerned about his race, at least his mom was white (like you and me).

May God bless America and also bless this world.

Posted by: TA | Aug 25, 2008 8:00:19 PM

All the so-called Hilary Supporters for McCain are either sexist or racist and they will justify their actions by placing all kinds of baseless blames on Obama.

I recall the primary. And I recall vividly how undignified and very negative Hilary Clinton's campaign was toward Obama. Obama ran a very effective and positive primary and restrained the campaign from being negative toward Clinton.

I have a healthy respect for Hilary Clinton's accomplishments and her intelligence. While she turned me off during the primaries I also realized that she was fighting to win what she had obviously worked hard for for a long time. But Hilary lost to a very good and prepared candidate. Voting out of malice against Obama does not help Hilary supporters' cause in any way. After your vote against Obama, whether he wins or loses, you would still not be fulfilled because the candidate you really want (Hilary) is not on the ticket. If Obama has truly hurt you (which I really doubt), perhaps you can heal by being magnanimous and vote for your party.

Concerns about Obama's readiness are really baseless. Anyone who runs the kind of effective and positive primary he ran (to beat Hilary no less) certainly must be respected. He was the underdog. Also, he is surrounding himself with effective and capable people. And he certainly is quite accomplished (Harvard Law graduate, Professor of American Constitutional Law, etc.) And he is well-liked abroad. These are all positives for the US.

The truth is, it is virtually impossible for Obama to make America less off than he met it under Bush. He is a pragmatic and listening guy with trusted and experienced advisers to work with. His background as a community organizer shows that he does care for the common man. And for those who are concerned about his race, at least his mom was white (like you and me).

May God bless America and also bless this world.

Posted by: TA | Aug 25, 2008 8:00:34 PM

TA-----WELL SAID !!!!!! LOL

Posted by: READY999 | Aug 25, 2008 8:03:42 PM

Posted by: Julted | Aug 25, 2008 7:50:04 PM

Have spent time in Europe and the middle east, and South America, and Asia, but it so happens I was in Rota Spain for about 2 years while I wore a US military uniform defending you weak pathetic socialists.

The mojito is from Cuba not Spain.

How is that 14% unemployment going? or that $11 gas? Why don't your cowardly soldiers fight?

Why do you morons stay in university for 14 years?

Why has it taken over 40 years to defeat ETA?

I wonder why it is that all these Euro socialist trash scramble to move to the US when visas are offered?

HEY EUROTRASH DO YOU WANT A VISA TO THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY? YOU CAN COME IF YOU PUT YOUR NAME ON THE WAITING LIST JUST DON'T BRING YOUR POLITICS.

THE REASON ALL THE SOCIALIST EURO TRASH WANT US TO ELECT OBAMA IS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENVIOUS OF OUR COUNTRY.

MAYBE WE"LL INVADE YOU AND OH WAIT WE ALREADY OCCUPY YOUR CONTINENT? WHEN WE LEAVE THE MUSLIMS ARE GOING TO HAVE THEIR WAY WITH SUCH WEAKLINGS....

Posted by: Ricky | Aug 25, 2008 8:04:44 PM

PUMA’S are Rove dupes not Democrats. McCain stands for everything the Democratic Party opposes. If they can vote for McCain out of spite they are like spoiled brats who didn’tget their way. What is shocking is that McCain presumes that intelligent women can be so bitter about Clinton’s loss of the primary that they are willing to vote against their own personal interests. Even if they aren’t enthralled with Obama and feel cheated by the bizarre primary process, how can these women support a man who will overturn Roe v. Wade?, a man who has demonstrated his contempt for women through his coarse remarks even to his own wife? a man who promises to send their sons into more illegal wars? a man who has brought in Karl Rove the Cheney/Bush attack dog,, Ralph Reed the corrupt Christian Coalition leader and Phil Gramm of Texas/Enron fame to run his campaign?? Get real, recognize PUMA as a bunch of Rove stooges and move on -only Republicans could stomach a vote for McCain/Bush. It is simply the worst possible formula for the advancement of women’s causes.

Posted by: jefflz | Aug 25, 2008 8:07:02 PM

Well, Ready999, you sound so 'typically' mad at the world. Ease up there, pal. Learn how to speak and spell in a correct manner and the world will be at your feet. :)

Posted by: Sandra | Aug 25, 2008 8:09:30 PM


DEMOCRATS ARE DIVIDED.........

OBAMA/BIDEN TICKET WILL JOIN THE
LOSERS "CLUB" NOVEMBER 4TH.....

HILLARY SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN...

Posted by: NICHOLAS | Aug 25, 2008 8:12:15 PM

SANDRA---SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: READY999 | Aug 25, 2008 8:12:54 PM

PUMA 08!

McCain 08!

Hillary 2012!

Posted by: Rob | Aug 25, 2008 8:16:18 PM

I don't see where Obama has run an effective campaign. His party is divided and he is not gaining in the polls, just running behind or even. His big "European" tour backfired and his campaign has to hide Michelle for fear she says something else that
pi$$es off the American people. On top of that is the lawsuit filed on Aug 21, stating that Obama is not a U.S. citizen. I've read the document and it looks pretty solid. All he says is "Hope" and "Change". The meaning of that seems to be "I HOPE you give me your "CHANGE" .

Posted by: S Adams | Aug 25, 2008 8:20:36 PM

SANDRA---SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey there, Ready999....you really need to get some cheese with that wine but that would be too endearing a sentiment for such an angry, hostile ignoramus, such as yourself.
To be honest, i was tryint to help you out there....you know, get a bit of an education before you so publicly show you lack of breeeeeeding.
Well, enjoy the wine....the cheess has prolly curdled the second it hits the filth sprewing from your tender lips.

Posted by: Sandra | Aug 25, 2008 8:29:26 PM

My God it's a Revolution!

Posted by: Thinking | Aug 25, 2008
----

Revolution We Can Believe In!
--Chairman Mao, a big devil

Posted by: fact check | Aug 25, 2008 8:29:26 PM

I still don't understand why it is Hillary's responsibility to bring her never-say-die supporters into the fold.

If Obama truly wanted Party "unity," he certainly knew the only way to accomplish that was to put Hillary on the ticket. Other candidates have done the same in the interst of Party "unity," (JFK, Reagan, etc.) and were successful in winning the White House.

I guess Obama thinks he is so special he can do whatever he wants and things will still go his way.

I think he is in for a very rude awakening.

He chose to do otherwise,

Posted by: Lee | Aug 25, 2008 8:29:43 PM

GO, Rickey!
And Ready999, Sandra really got to ya, didn't she? Great typical liberal retort!

Posted by: sabre460 | Aug 25, 2008 8:31:43 PM

That's great, Ready999. You probably can't tell the difference between a Merlot and a Reisling, anyway. Mickey D's would be more to your tastes.
"VOTE MCCAIN and THE REPUBLICAN PARTY"
Keep America free and safe!

Posted by: Sandra | Aug 25, 2008 8:45:01 PM

I love it! Ladies please vote for Nader/Gonzalez instead of Mccain.

Posted by: ttw | Aug 25, 2008 8:46:54 PM

To Scott,
How do you come to the conclusion that us not supporting Obama is going against our intrest?

He "is" a young inexperianced Senator who has been readying way to many of the Messiah type headlines that th emedia is putting out on a daily absis.

Look at the common denominator in the phrase "not ready to run the country", all of the canidates had to fend off comments by their opponents but this phrase was only used whsn mentioning Obama....even his own VP says/said this.

Just how is it going against ones agenda or intrest in not voting in the best person suited for the office who we aren't taking a chance on due to inexperiance.

Being Hillary got the shaft, that only leaves Mcain if we want a proven leader.

Obama needed a few more years in the Senate to accomplish something...anything so that people could have something to hand their hats on to, other than media hype.

Obama will lose and lose soundly and it;s in everyones intrest that he does.

Posted by: Drider | Aug 25, 2008 8:53:54 PM

Glad you recognize that there are millions of us just waiting to give our votes to McCain. :D

PUMA!

Posted by: LeeLee07 | Aug 25, 2008 8:56:06 PM

LeeLee07---DREAM ON!

Posted by: READY999 | Aug 25, 2008 8:59:24 PM

"The "so-called" angry Hillary supporters are actually Republicans in disguise, trying to thrown a wrench in the works!"

No. We are really Democrats who intend to vote the rest of the Democratic ticket -- except for Obama. Of course, we could be convinced -- by people like you -- to vote a straight GOP ticket to make sure You People get the message.

Posted by: bobbiewick | Aug 25, 2008 8:59:44 PM

Let's face it, Hillary supporter or not, she was backstabbed and a victim of sabotage by the DNC. Dean and Pelosi and their committee's party rules were manipulated to get Obama the nod.

Posted by: Pee Vee, Long Island | Aug 25, 2008 9:09:52 PM

Idiots. If you think Obama will win then you better go check out the straw poll on aol.com. Only Hillary could beat McCain. I cannot vote for a sleezy con like Obama. My vote for McCain and I'm a Progressive Democrat.

Posted by: pat | Aug 25, 2008 9:40:50 PM

Is that it, what happened to all the puma's threatening a revolt. This is very disappointing.

Posted by: puma what | Aug 25, 2008 9:43:08 PM

Julted, please forgive some of these trailor trash americans that have brains the size of a pea. Most of us are not this rude and insulting. These blogs seem to bring out the worst in some people.

Posted by: ll | Aug 25, 2008 9:50:13 PM

I liked to see both parties split with Moderate dems and Moderate Republicans forming one party.....THE MODERATES. Right now though, getting the far left to the point of marxist Obama is the priority...McCain is a moderate anyway.

Posted by: chattyway | Aug 25, 2008 9:58:01 PM

"
"Rise Hillary Rise"

The shout heard round the world.

Posted by: Mack | Aug 25, 2008 6:32:54 PM
_______________

THAT is NOT a Republican Rant!

That's Lee Lee'07's lovely Hillary sign off... and on.:-)

Posted by: eyes wide open | Aug 25, 2008 10:03:44 PM

I beg your pardon, madam. I live in a trailer and I have the same sized brain as you.

Posted by: Baron McGlide | Aug 25, 2008 10:04:41 PM

Baron...
Of course you do!

The ones with the shrivelled brains are those who've had their thinking put in place for them by the broken DNC which foisted upon it's followers an unvetted,unknown, sweet talking charlatan from Chicago!

Posted by: eyes wide open | Aug 25, 2008 10:08:24 PM

what i want to understand is this is obama's closer in think with cliton or is mccain

Posted by: big james | Aug 25, 2008 10:22:19 PM

Obama supporters,

It is clear that the PUMAs and Hillary diehards who are going to vote for McCain will never change their minds. Stop reason with them. If they succeed in derailing Obama and put McCain into the White House, we should work as hard in 2012 and beyond to keep Hillary from winning the Democratic nomination. We will have a lot of help. There will be another candidate who will get the anti-Hillary votes. The media will still be against Hillary. The caucus system will still be there. The Republicans will still cross over to vote in the Democratic primary to keep Hillary out of the general election. If the small number of Republicans who crossed over this year were sufficient to deny Hillary the nomination, they can do it in 2012, 2016, or anytime in the future. Almost half of the white female voters and more than half of the white male voters will still not vote for Hillary, and she can forget about the African American voters. The "hard-working Americans, white Americans" she was able to win late in the Democratic primary, they will go back to vote for the Republicans like they have been doing in the last few general elections. Good luck to your Hillary 12 dreams, PUMAs.

Posted by: Obama/Biden 08 | Aug 25, 2008 11:00:46 PM

In her speech, Michelle Obama said, "Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values, like you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond."

Sooo... When Barack publicly and clearly said that he would aggressively pursue public funds for the general election while he was battling it out with Clinton, but completely abandoned that pledge simply for political expediency, he betrayed his bond? Barack had the option of keeping his word, and he said what the heck and made himself a liar, for MONEY and POLITICAL GAIN. So much for the word being the bond. So much for your word and bond being worth more than political expediency. So much for June Cleaver here trying to say how much she has in common with average Americans. If they have the same values, I want no part of her lies either.

What is most ironic is that by betraying this "bond," Obama has made himself a bucket o'cash to use on TV commercials distorting and besmirching John McCain. With his lie, Obama bought himself a bottomless well of poison to blast at his more honorable opponent, who honored HIS pledge to using public funds.

Barack's word may be his bond. He has demonstrated that neither is worth anything. Hey everybody making under 250k who thinks you're getting a tax cut under Obama... do you think his word will be his bond when he is already in office and no longer has to beg for your votes?

Posted by: HawkTheSlayer | Aug 25, 2008 11:07:02 PM

Clinton supporters have a right to be angry. What Obama needs to do is reassure Clinton supporters that he really wants unity in the party. Not hard to do. Hillary supporters want universal health care and an intelligent woman in the White House. What I have seen of the women so far, is that they are afraid to offend Repubicans by seeming to be too intelligent. That is a very small minded way of thinking and will surely hurt this country.

Posted by: Maya | Aug 26, 2008 1:55:33 AM

I'm voting john McClain because I know he will stop the boarder crossing from mexico,they will eat us out of house and home.

Posted by: Thecat | Aug 26, 2008 1:57:34 AM

John McClain says the US troop will leave Iraq in 2011,do believe that lie when truth is he wants to stay there for a hundred years, after the election he will have his way and his wars.

Posted by: gman | Aug 26, 2008 2:16:00 AM

I know how they feel.

Dems are going for political theater, they won't get away with it. People saw what happened and they are disgusted by a candidate who got ahead by trashing Clinton and screwing the left.

Obama is a sellout, a construction designed to do what he did: Stop Clinton! When Dems loose an election they were not supporse to loose, and Kennedy who never could pick presidential winners keel over with the knowledge Dems lost - again. What will he think? At least I had an excuse this time, I'm a very sick man.

Posted by: Sylvia Johnsen | Aug 26, 2008 2:16:32 AM

To julted;
1st: Patriot Act and terminating Civil Liberties,
t
his is a way to protect the American citizen from attack here again.

2nd: Not signing Kyoto and F***** the whole planet with your pollution,

That was under President Clinton.

3rd: Invading and destroying a Foreign Country not one of you knows about, which was a cornerstone of our world's culture, burning down 4000 years of history, firing up a whole region, slaughtering millions of families, kids, people who never asked for your coming, all that not even for oil, but to profit the few selfish b*stards running your country and making fun of you who voted and RE-voited for them,

How about liberating a country that was controlled by a demonic tyrant.

4th: By the same way making the Oil's price skyrocketting worldwide,

That would be liberals saying we need wind to supply everything, and higher taxes.

5th: Making your own country hated by every other one and even more unsecure for the next century.

So America is the bad country, but your country has been living under the umbrella of security that America provides.

Posted by: joe | Aug 26, 2008 4:24:48 AM

No, I didn't misspell Heroin. My point is that Hillary is a drug most people on this blog are addicted to--a bad drug. You all are shooting yourselves in the foot when you take that sh**.

Hillary is out of the question in case you haven't realized it, and going the McCain route can ruin your life at this point, as well as the lives of those around you (the whole world). This may seem like an extreme thing to say, but consider how big and powerful this country is--no one else is big or powerful enough to save us when we fall. We have to take care of our political system and not act as if we were voting for high school class president. The Revenge Vote is not responsible!!! It's immature. Are all you girls on here proclaiming to be pissed at Obama because he ruined your horse's chance even old enough to vote, you little drama queens? I can't think of any rational reasons why there would still be holdouts but I can think of some irrational hidden motives:

Ignorance of the issues: Women for McCain: you want to be treated equally? read some newspapers so that you know how big of a flip-flopper you will be when you switch from Hillary to McCain platform and speak intelligently about issues OTHER than gender. Men for McCain: read some newspapers.

Fear of the Unknown:
Sundown town people for Hillary/McCain: get over your racism instead of hiding under feminism/patriotism/job security. McCain will not stop the war in Iraq we can't afford and admitted he 's not strong on economics. Good pick!

Revenge Vote: the anger Hillary's supporters show only hint that they think it was a once in a lifetime chance to have a woman in the white house and its gone. Confidence, grace and knowledge win elections not the angry desperation that Hillary and her supporters have shown. Swing vote? Get a WWHD? (What Would Hillary Do?) bumper sticker and a clue.

The "Experience" claim. tell me exactly how McCain's Cold War era experience will help us in a world where we are more reliant on our "enemies" for natural resources and cheap goods than we ever were during the times when we could afford to isolate ourselves and other countries with stupid policies, sanctions and tough-guy talk. Look where it has gotten us!!

Posted by a Woman with reasons behind her actions.

Posted by: HillaryHeroin | Aug 26, 2008 4:48:54 AM

We all know that Republicans have inferior brains. Just look it up. These people love stupid, ignorant people like McDumba$$. According to them you have be a moron or they consider you an elitist or Un-American. The Republicans are so intellectually bankrupt that’s their only defense they have. How pathetic! It's very simple if you vote for McDumba$$ you are an idiot plain and simple. Posted by a Hillary supporter.

Posted by: MR | Aug 26, 2008 5:32:41 AM

To Joe:

1st: amazing how stupid you are, you think terminating your Civil Liberties is the way to protect yourself? You dumbarse. Sure you're safe man. By the way, where's Ben Laden been? haha

Here (Europe) we NEVER surrendered our Civil Liberties and we aren't any more in danger than anywhere else you stupid redneck.

2nd: You pathetic Liar. BUSH refused to sign Kyoto. Check your facts.


3rd: I repeat: Invading and destroying a Foreign Country not one of you knows about, which was a cornerstone of our world's culture, burning down 4000 years of history, firing up a whole region, slaughtering millions of families, kids, people who NEVER ASKED FOR YOUR COMING, all that not even for oil, but to profit the few selfish b*stards running your country and making fun of you who voted and RE-voited for them,

As for the "liberating from a Tyrant", hmmm, the guy was BUSH Jr and daddy's best friend 15 years before uh? Got all his power from who's money? Whoses weapons?

By the way again, after all that.... Where's Ben Laden? ;)

Oh, yeah, sorry, it was so right slaughtering millions of innocents and firing up tension all around the globe invading a foreing country based on lies, (where are the WMDs?- oh they don't exist sorry?) while you're supposedly being still fooled by a bearded caveman hiding in the mountains (so much about NSA, CIA, FBI, Sattelites, Army, you think sometimes about it redneck? hahaha)

4th: Absolutely, when your children if they didn't die for no reason far way fighting in the slaughter of a country they don't know, well, let's see if they get 15$ a gallon after years of these policies, and if your dear neocons running budies like to SELL them a gallon of fresh air.

5th: Yeah, America has become in 8 years a pretty bad country thanks to the guys running it, and, no thanks, we don't have and don't need your so-called umbrella to protect us, just turns out to be the contrary lately. As a matter of fact, let's see when YOU will need us when you got pissed of China, Russia and Iran together with your stupid policies and they're really attacking your sovereign soil. Unless you try to ask forgiveness for all the misdeeds you perpetrated recently.

Posted by: Detluj | Aug 26, 2008 7:08:40 AM

I honestly believe that Mr. Obama is not ready for the top job, and Mr. biden has a big time mouth that will get us into trouble with other country's so I will be voting for John McCain for the first time in my life that I will vote for a Republican. In my opionion John McCain is very suitable for the job, Because with Mr. Obama I believe it will be just like with President Jimmy Carter that the House and Senate will shut down every thing he tries to do and we will stay in limbo for the next four years, so if anyone can change my mind please try because I really don't trust Mr. Obama and all of his speeches, to me it is all talk and no substances.

Posted by: Retha Jay | Aug 26, 2008 9:54:19 AM

It's almost laughable that these 'die-hard Clintonians' have the nerve to call Obama/Pelosi/Dean 'far left loonies'??? They come off as though they are members of the 'aryan nation'(intentionally non-capitalized)..'skinheaded nazis'..and just downright 'hillbillies'. 'Hurry-up'.. 'beat it' go sleep with MCBUSH 'he looks like you. Your kind will always need a 'twisted shepherd' .

Posted by: Bravo Encore | Aug 26, 2008 10:24:59 AM

First, to all you sorry-arse Europeans posting here.
How about a history lesson. You, who existed under monarchy, and bowed and scraped to their majesties, giving all you had so they could live in wealth and debauchery. "All for one". Talk about mental deficiency!
You allowed a German mental case to run roughshod over you and when you couldn't deal with him yourself, America came to your rescue, as usual, you liberate your sorry arse's, only to have you come back and spit in our face. The American taxpayer gave billions to rebuild for you after the war and you wouldn't even retire the debt.
Your Socialist and Marxist leanings keep your economy in the tank, 14% unemployment, no military to protect yourself because you can't afford it, so everyone else that has a military has to step up to the plate to protect you. Then you scream for more negotiations with your enemies. Well, we'll see how well that works with Russia when they blackmail you over oil and gas. It'll be a cold winter, and what will you concede to in order to keep warm? Or, maybe you will again call on that "evil" U.S. to get you out of that mess?
No school shootings because you don't have guns? That means you have no way to protect yourself when the Islamists beat your doors down. Or when the Russians decide to invade your space. You're such peace loving, sensitive souls, who love to tout your "tolerance" and "humanity", but then want someone else to do your "dirty work", when your agenda comes back to bite you in the ass.
Personally, I would love to see ALL of our military brought home from around the world, and you all can fight your own battles! It's what you deserve.

As to MO. "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players".
What theatrics.
All those first comments by her are indelibly stamped in my brain. "Out of the heart, the mouth speaketh" and no amount of backtracking or theatrics will erase those first comments. Add to that, the words from their "so-called pastor", and the case is made in my mind.

Posted by: hopefloats | Aug 26, 2008 11:32:49 AM

Reth Jay,

If you have an open mind, and are thinking about voting for the Republicans for the first time in your life, do a little bit of research. I suggest you read news on the news websites such as CNN, CBS, NBC, and ABC news. You can also try Fox news, but they are well known for favoring the Republicans. The important thing is don't limit yourselves to a website. Any website that likes to proclaim that the mainstream media is biased, for example Fox news, is likely to be biased itself. Remember, Fox news is more popular than CNN and the three traditional networks, so it is part of the mainstream media.

I can give you some information about McCain, and you are welcome to verify the information on the web.

1. McCain once said "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." He was saying it as a joke, but consider we are already in Iraq because of misinformation, joking about attacking another country is not what a serious politician should do.
2. McCain said that we have already succeeded in Iraq, but we cannot withdraw the troops. Withdrawing the troops means failure.
3. McCain did not know the difference between Shiites and Sunnies, who are the main combatants in Iraq. The Al Qaeda in Iraq, who are Sunnies extremists, had largely been destroyed. Yes they still engage in suicide bombings, but Iraqi are tired of getting killed and have turned against Al Qaeda. This was more important than the surge in reducing the violence. Yes, the surge helped, but it is not the main factor.
4. The original Al Qaeda, the one who actually attacked us on 9/11, is in Afghanistan. Thanks to our war in Iraq, in which the U.S. put most of our troops, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan is making a comeback and is actually killing Americans at a higher rate right now than Al Qaeda in Iraq.
5. McCain did not know Czechoslovakia had ceased to exist.
6. McCain admitted that he does not know much about economics.
7. McCain is in favor of the gas tax holiday, which no serious economists support, not even Republican ones.
8. McCain is in favor of offshore drilling for oil, which even the Bush administration's Department of Energy has said will not have an appreciable effect on oil supply or price, once full production is reached, in 2030.
9. McCain is in favor of extending Bush's temporary tax cuts, and making it permenant. Yes, the Bush tax cuts are temporary. The trillions of the dollars that have been added to the national debt are not.
10. McCain did not know how many houses he owns. Yet he attacked Obama as an elitist who is out of touch with the issues confronting average Americans. This comes from someone, thanks to his marriage to a beer distributor heiress, is worth in excess of 200 millions. He is attacking someone who just paid off his student loans a few years ago.

I am sure you will also get replies from people who will give you mountains of information on Obama. Verify these information. Do not trust the information as given, including those from me, but verify the information yourself. If you are voting for the Republicans for the first time, you are probably not reading the Fox News exclusively. There will also be many websites out there dedicated to spread misinformation on Obama. If you have not heard of these websites before, consider the possibility that they might be partisan websites with an agenda. Good luck.

Posted by: Dem 08 | Aug 26, 2008 11:59:15 AM

hopefloats, nothing short of brilliant. Keep it coming my friend.

Posted by: bombem | Aug 26, 2008 12:08:14 PM

Retha Jay,

Sorry for misspelling your name. I am in a hurry to go to work right now.

Posted by: Dem 08 | Aug 26, 2008 12:15:51 PM

We have three million people incarcerated in the U.S. for criminal activities. If we went back to the old days of putting people in asylums for the mentally ill it looks like the number there would be much larger judging from some of the comments on the blog.

Posted by: bhciapol | Aug 26, 2008 12:16:05 PM

This is interesting because I know a number of friends and family members who were hard-core, devoted Hilary Clinton supporters, but who are now voting for Obama. Yes, they are a little worried about and uncomfortable with a young black president. But they are taking McCain's track record into account and realize they literally cannot afford another 4 years of a Republican in the White House. Economically, socially, politically. They are voting on issues, not emotions. This Clinton blow-up is a McCain-sponsored, media-spun, flash in the pan. Hurray for Obama/Biden 08!!!

Posted by: Tara | Aug 26, 2008 1:05:35 PM

I feel like we are living a bad action movie in which the villians are unrealistically stupid and shallow characters, and the moral is that a regular guy can beat them if he speaks the truth.

(Rove and his Republican puppet candidate) and have taken over with a smear campaign comparing Obama to by turns Britney Spears or an unemotional elitist academic (who might or might not have substance).

McCain has relinquished his maverick status. Show me one moment in this campaign when he showed leadership or independent thinking from the party base. And yet, it is considered one of his strong points. But when Obama tries to reach across party lines to hint at a future compromise regarding offshore oil drilling, he is lambasted as a flip flopper.

Posted by: HH | Aug 26, 2008 1:13:08 PM

To hopefloats:

Thanks, your comment made me laugh so much.

How about a history lesson you say? Once upon a time, when America was a peaceful land where millenarious tribes of indians lived, we (Europeans) lived under monarchy, "giving all you had so they could live in wealth and debauchery" (Good one). Then we "discovered" your country, populated it (you are the grand sons of OUR grand fathers) and made the revolution in our own countries. We invented Republic AND Democracy. As for you who talk so much about Experience, see for yourself, we have plenty.

About the German mental case, see what happened when you start cutting out Civil Liberties then go so much about "Country First"... héhé

We've been glad and thanksful America helped and paid to rebuild our continent, being since them long time friends and on the same side of the Free World, by the way buying your culture, your food, your music, your films, to repay and show our respect, love and gratitude.

Our economy seems to go quite well my friend compared to your "little" turbulences with gas price and real-estate situation I see, and our unemployment rate's never been so low since 40 years (actually around 3.9% here in the Netherlands, 2.4% in norway, around 7% for the whole Europe check your facts at http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/areas/qualityoflife/eurlife/index.php?template=3&radioindic=17&idDomain=2 thanks)

We got national military forces in every country, some of them fighting along with you in Afghanistan, and yes, we love to negotiate with people before shooting because God gave us a brain and a mouth to talk to differentiate us from the animals as you seem to have forgotten.

We do not fear Islamists beating our doors down, since they live amongst us as do bouddhist, christians and jews, and we try to respect them accordingly to our constitutions and values, not throwing terrorist insults at everyone of them all the time. We do fear you exciting extremists around the globe as you've been it for the last eight years, because these guys need help to democracy, food and justice, to get rid of the only ones (the extremists feeding them) instead of missiles on their houses which really and logically turn them on against you.

Back to europe, try to get a gun out of your pocket and see what immediatly happens with the Guardia Civil in Spain for examples. Sure you wouldn't wanna try that. I'm so relieved my boy indeed goes to school everyday in THIS context.

We do not fear oil or gas blackmailin since we've long been engaged in Alternative and independent energy (94% recycled nuclear if you're looking for it, alternative growing 20% each year)

And yes, we're peace loving, sensitive souls, to good music, good food, good life, like the US used to be before your ENRON/HALLIBURTON/MCCAIN/BUSH took over your place.


Posted by: POV | Aug 26, 2008 2:39:28 PM

So, let me get this right: the Dems are upset with Hillary and her supporters because they will not "fall-in-line" behind Barack Obama. In essence, what the Democrats want HRC to do is what they are criticizing McCain for and trying to link him to the unpopular Bush. Does that not make much sense to anyone else? Why not let them just be unhappy and bitter and stop critizing them because they don't back that fraud Barack Obama. Fun how when the shoe is on the other foot, the Democrats like to look the other way.

Posted by: Niko_in_Oakland | Aug 26, 2008 5:57:58 PM


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