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Victorious Clinton vows to fight until 'everyone' is heard

Tuesday night, Barack Obama conceded West Virginia to Hillary Clinton in a cellphone voicemail from the runway in Cape Girardeau, Mo., to the phone of the New York senator's assistant, after an appearance aimed atDemocratic presidential candidate and New York Senator Hillary Clinton gives her victory speech to enthusiastic supporters after her overwhelming primary victory in West Virginia over Illinois Senator Barack Obama the general election against the Republican dude from Arizona.

A little PR payback perhaps for the private concessions Clinton has delivered after her previous defeats to Obama that deny the victor any TV footage of the loser talking defeat?

So this morning the Clinton-Obama wrestling match continues unabated and the New Yorker gave no sign in her public remarks of relenting in her campaign, although the delegate math seems so fully stacked against her.

"I am," Clinton told the crowd of West Virginia supporters, although she was really warning a couple hundred uncommitted Democratic superdelegates not to jump yet, "more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had their voices heard."

Let's see, "everyone" means then at least all the way through June 3 and Montana where, coincidentally, another Clinton, named Bill, was speaking outdoors at the same moment as a mountain spring rain began to fall. So, no quitting after another Clinton win next week in Kentucky? Until all the ...

...voices are heard could also mean until all the currently discounted Florida and Michigan votes are counted too. Could that mean Denver in late August?

It was a big win for Clinton, who got about 67% of the vote. And a real thumping for Obama, who got only 26 points, fewer even than his crummy bowling score a while back in Pennsylvania. His camp saw the L coming, given his token campaign appearance there Monday. With most of the West Virginia results in, the Illinois senator had not won one single county in a state that, since 1916, Democratic presidential candidates must win in order to reach the White House.

Clinton was clearly delighted in her nationally televised remarks when she delivered an early and urgent plea for money. "Tonight," she said, "I need your help to continue this journey. We are in the homestretch -- only three weeks left. Your support can make the difference between winning and losing."

Standing alone on the stage with the full focus on her, Clinton wanted to project an image of strength and fuel the doubts in the superdelegates' minds about Obama's ability to win crucial states. The absence of Obama on camera provided no video contradiction that evening.

"This race isn't over yet," Clinton said, reading her prepared remarks that called her win "an overwhelming victory." "Neither of us have the total delegates needed to win."

"I am in this race because I believe I am the strongest candidate to lead our party in November 2008," she said, plowing through even prolonged applause. "And the strongest president to lead our nation in 2009. I deeply admire Sen. Obama. But I believe our case is stronger."

"The White House is won in the swing states," Clinton claimed. "And I am winning the swing states."

"You know," she said, "I'll never give up and I'll stand with you as long as you stand with me."

During her remarks Clinton pointed to one supporter in the crowd waving a sign, "Until the last dog dies."

A reference, no doubt, to the Michael Vick dog-fighting scandal.

Not.

--Andrew Malcolm

Photo: Hillary Clinton (Associated Press/Elise Amendola)

 
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Hillary=the devil we know

McCain=the Republican devil we're not sure about

Obama=the Devil we don't know

You be the judge and pick which one . . .

Each has already sold their soul to the devil now, they want us to pick so they can sell ours!!

I have a suggestion for all you Buffies that think anyone voting for Clinton is racist.

Go get Nig-nog and your friend Afro-Saxon and tell Mustard seed that the rest of white america will probably start voting racist (identity voting if your white and describing blacks doing the same thing at 92%).

Then go get a life and stop being a bunch of black racists.

It's becomming extremely clear that blacks are the reason racism still exists in America.

A really great lady,indeed.She is reviled by the American media,but she happens to be an outstanding role model for many women in the third world.She has also exposed American hypocrisy.Though the country shouts from rooftops about the empowerment of Islamic women it does not want a woman to be its President.Shame on you,America.

If a male were in the same position as Hillary Clinton is right now, the media wouldn't give him five minutes of air time; they would have written him off weeks ago and spent their time discussing Obama vs. McCain.

"Hillary's a fighter," is the oft-repeated phrase of the day. If a male were in the same position as she is now, the pundits would call him "a megalomaniac who refuses to lose and will do anything to win."

But, hey, she's a woman. Let's be politically correct and come to her rescue. What a strange country this is.

Hillary, everybody is saying GO AWAY!!!! You just don't seem to be listening.

"The pundits and nay sayers have been pronouncing her campaign dead almost since it began..." says Patrick Knif.

On the contrary, when her campaign began she was the front runner and the heir presumptive to the Democratic throne. Then along came this johnny-come-lately Barack Obama to spoil her party. And that's when we started to see the real Hillary Clinton - vicious, vindictive, and willing to stop at nothing, including the possible destruction of her own party, to cling onto what she always thought was her god-given right.

Wake up pantsuit princess, the train's left the station - and you missed it!

I too think she should stay in the race-this nonsensse "that the fight is breaking up the Dems" is just silly.

FDR was nominated 5 days into the 1932 convention-JFK was nominated at the convention as well-Why are so many pundits, Obama supporters saying "drop out NOW"?-What is everyone sooooo afraid of--go for it Hillary! If Obama gets the nom-he's lost my vote-I WILL NOT vote for a novice to live at 1600 Penn. Ave-We've had that for the past 8 years-Let's try something new!

The question for Democrats and others concerned with the Democratic Party primary is then this — do you really want to let the worst-educated, least-knowledgeable and most bigotry-prone components of the voting pool (including those who stubbornly insist that Obama is a Muslim) control the direction of the party to the point of overriding the outcome in pledged delegates? Do you really want to give Hillary Clinton a pass in regards to her ignorantly racist supporters that you would never give to Obama in regards to Rev. Wright? And do you really want to say, as Hillary media proxy Paul Begala did, that a coalition that includes well-educated “eggheads” is somehow a bad thing?

Democrats used to promote education as a virtue to the point even of wanting to overspend government dollars on it at every opportunity. But now a large part of the party obstinately insists that the educated are those that should be sneered at and ignored. In short, they have embraced the anti-intellectualism long present on the far right. And none of Hillary’s supporters seem to mind.

And by the way, how do you explain Senator Obama's double-digit victories in overwhelmingly white states like Iowa (8 points over Clinton), Alaska (51 points), Colorado (34 points), Delaware (11 points), Idaho (62 points), Kansas (48 points), Minnesota (34 points), North Dakota (25 points) and Utah (18 points)?

The question for Democrats and others concerned with the Democratic Party primary is then this — do you really want to let the worst-educated, least-knowledgeable and most bigotry-prone components of the voting pool (including those who stubbornly insist that Obama is a Muslim) control the direction of the party to the point of overriding the outcome in pledged delegates? Do you really want to give Hillary Clinton a pass in regards to her ignorantly racist supporters that you would never give to Obama in regards to Rev. Wright? And do you really want to say, as Hillary media proxy Paul Begala did, that a coalition that includes well-educated “eggheads” is somehow a bad thing?

Democrats used to promote education as a virtue to the point even of wanting to overspend government dollars on it at every opportunity. But now a large part of the party obstinately insists that the educated are those that should be sneered at and ignored. In short, they have embraced the anti-intellectualism long present on the far right. And none of Hillary’s supporters seem to mind.

And by the way, how do you explain Senator Obama's double-digit victories in overwhelmingly white states like Iowa (8 points over Clinton), Alaska (51 points), Colorado (34 points), Delaware (11 points), Idaho (62 points), Kansas (48 points), Minnesota (34 points), North Dakota (25 points) and Utah (18 points)?

Of what use is a post menopausal, stumpy legged hausfrau who can't do laundry. She dosen't even have grandchildren to babysit...

What a bunch of crock. Hillary is running on the idea that her 'internship' for the presidency was enough to make her ready, when in reality, all she's doing is breaking the party. If she somehow manages to win the nomination, there is almost no way she can beat McCain - she's alienated too many Obama supporters for them to want to support her.

Capt. C. Price, USAF

Posted by: C. Price
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Capt Price, well said! I would like to add Hilliary's fraudulant claims to landing under sniperfire in Bosnia, putting their heads down, and running to their cars. As a vet, I am totally appalled at her concocting such fraud and insulting our servicemen and servicewomen who have servied our county in ALL wars, spitting the hunderds of thousands who have paid the ultimate price fighting in all past and present wars, and to the hundreds of thousands who have returned severely maimed, injured, brained damaged, and suffering from Post Traumatic Stress and the many other horrors of war. She added scorn to the insult by going on the Jay Leno Show, laughing and joking about being late "because I came under sniperfire." In my opinion, any candidate who thinks so poorly of our military forces is NOT fit to be Commander and Chief! Any candidate who uses fraudulant claims of landing under sniperfire and then joking and laughing about running into sniperfire is NOT fit to be CIC!

It funny how Obama supporters complain that race is too much of an issue in this election. Then they turn around and call anyone who doesn't like Obama, a racist.

Obama is some one do-gooder white people use to feel good about themselves. He's also for silly people prone to fads. Everyone wants to be an Obama supporter cause it's like, really cool.

Call the people of West Virginia racists, but the truth of the matter is, we're not real fond of pussies whose wives keep thier peckers in a mason jar under the kitchen sink. We tend not to be taken in by bull shi**ers either.

So take Obama and your cuisinarts and be sure and tell everyone you really dig on Obama so they will be impressed by your intellect and your tolerance,.

You all think you are original but you're really all alike - pretenious and phoney. And what's really funny about all this is that the Obama people are doing just what the RePubs did by electing George Bush. Suppose this country hasn't learned a thing from electing an inexperienced neophyte have they?

I cannot belive the people in west va are so blind that they follow the judis goat up the ramp to be behind ihe power hungry raitings of a women that has been used as a throwrug by her husband because she had to have what little power she got from the man that was suposed to love her and not anything that wore a skirt and was to blind to see thru him and his sick idear of what is and what is not sex but you people have made your choice now you will have to live with it. God help you.

Posted by: kenneth lavigne
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Kenneth. very true! Also, I believe the majority of Americans recognize that Hilliairy has been pandering to the poor, uneducated, bigots, and racists in our society. In West Virginia she was still pandering her gas tax holiday and people there bought that crapola. It is evident West Virginia is still living in the era of segregation of slavehood.....as many said when interviewed, "I cannot vote for a......long pause......'a man of color'." How racist and bigotted is that? What irks me is the news media and the Hilliary camp are saying this small state with 39 delegates is a "swing" state and will determine the Presidency. That' s mere propaganda! Since when did Hilliary change her mind that SMALL states with SMALL delegates count? She threw several states, like Washington and Iowa (caucus states and the voters) under the bus by saying we were not important, did not count and were undemocratic! She also said SMALL states w/SMALL delegates (Primary states) did not count and did not matter. Suddenly, NOW, she's said WV is CRUCIAL! Talk about being a hypocrite!!

By the way, she told WV folks that no candidate had won the White House without winning WV since 1916!! When, in fact, her own husband, Bill, won that state in 2002 and again 2006. Unbelievable!! More fraudulant claims!! Wonder how Billy feels about Hilliary throwing HIM under the bus??

her dog is dead.

Looking at Hilliary's photo, she looks like she is yelling at someone quite angryily with her eyes popping out like that and her arm as if she is ready to clobber someone!! Some of her supporters have criticised the media .......which I think is uncalled for----for printing such pictures. Hey, she presents herself in unfavorable poses, it's not the media's fault!! She's scarey!!

When this race started, I favored Edwards. After he dropped out, I took a hard look at the two remaining candidates. I became very distressed at the conduct of HRC over the course of this campaign and I believe she cannot beat McCain because her actions have caused her to be perceived by the majority of Americans as a dishonest panderer who will say anything and stoop to any low to get elected. Meanwhile, McCain projects an aura of integrity and honesty (regardless of what you think of his policies). Many people vote on character rather than issues, and she simply cannot compete with McCain on that front.

Here are some of HRC's self-inflicted wounds that turned me off to her:

-- "change you can Xerox"

-- referring to the SNL sketch during a debate and saying "maybe we should ask Senator Obama if he needs another pillow"

-- ridiculous unconstitutional proposal to freeze mortgage interest rates & place moratorium on foreclosures, which is just going to keep real estate prices in here in CA artificially inflated

-- Bosnia sniper lie

-- NAFTA flip-flops; role of Mark Penn & Bill Clinton in Columbia free trade agreement suggests Clinton is not against it as she claims to be

-- opportunistic reversal of her position regarding Michigan & Florida votes; first she said they wouldn't count and now she claims to be deeply concerned about people's voices being heard

-- "hardworking white American" comment

-- negative campaigning focused on turning many other Democrats off to the candidate who is likely to win this primary

As a woman, I am saddened that the first major female presidential candidate is stooping this low and fighting this dirty.

For those of you who don't like Obama, why not? I think the criticism about his alleged lack of experience is valid, but I just don't understand the rest of the negativity. For those of you who claim he plays the race card -- how is that? When has Obama (NOT the media or people on the blogs, but Obama or spokespeople of his campaign) ever tried to divide people by race? For those of you who claim he lacks substance, have you even reviewed his proposals at barackobama.com? Did you hear his economy speech back in March? I am just at a loss as to what appears to be irrational hatred of him by people who claim to be Democrats, especially since many of his proposals are similar to HRC's.

The long nightmare is nearly over. Obama is our nominee. Better get over it and get used to it.

MODERATOR: Please bump "Honest Voice's" racial slurs off this blog. His comments are right out of a Klan meeting. Literally. (his note is stamped 11:54 a.m.)

The Media does not seem to accept that there are many grass roots voters who support Hillary Clinton. I am voting for Hillary Clinton whether or not she is on the ballot. I will write her in as a protest against the vitriolic press coverage she has endured. We need Hillary Clinton more than ever at this time in history. If this costs the Democrats the election, then so be it. I am tired of voting for candidates I did not pick. Hillary's plan for universal health care is the best.

Posted by: jenna cox
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YOU are tired of voting for candidates YOU did not pick? Oh, so YOUR vote is the ONLY ONE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO COUNT? How about the milions and millions other voters? Don't their votes count? In this race, the MAJORITY of Americans have spoken but Hilliary refuses to hear them. Are you a Democrat or are you JUST a Hilliary fanatic?? Do you have the interest of country at heart or do you have Hilliary's egotistical interest at heart? Why don't you wake up from your clintonion stupor and see her for what she really is, what she does, and what she says. It is not pretty!! You'd rather have thousands more of our military men and women die in Iraq the next four years than to vote for Senator Obama? McCain will not change anything for the US, he is a clone to the current President. My goodness, McCain even said the government should not help people facing foreclosures on their homes because they made bad decisions. When actually it was the lenders telling people they could indeed afford these houses when in fact they could not.....!! Yes, McCain cares about the middleclass and the poor, doesn't he?? He (and Hilliary) also cares very much about our military men and women; he'lkl continue sending them to Iraq to fight and get killed and severely injured for a war that not should not have been!! How do YOU feel about that?? Do you and others like you want to be responsible for our brave men and women dying in this war???? If so, by all means, vote for McCain and not Senator Obama!!

May, Hilliary won West Virginia because it is predominantly poor, uindeducated WHITE people who are also racists and bigots. That is WHY she won!!! She was still pandering her "gas tax holiday" in WV and they bought into it ! Funny, isn't it? Indiana and North Carolina were smart, they REJECTED Hilliary's outrageous pandering!! West Virginia is a small state with only 39 delegates......Hilliary threw states (and the voters) like Washington, Colorado, Wisconsin, Illinois, and many, many more under the bus when she declared these states were not important, did not matter, did not count and, in the case of caucus states, were undemocratic. NOW she's proclaiming the small state of West Virgiinia with only 39 delegates has been CRUCIAL to her campaign and how iimportant those undeducated, bigotted, racists White voters are to her and to the campaign!! I would be very ashamed and embarrassed to declare these voters as MY base!! She has pandered to the dark side of voters, those with racial hatred and bigotry in their souls, hearts, and minds!! Not surprising, as she, her campaign, Bill, campaign managers and advisors, and surroages ALL PLAYED THE RACE CARD since New Hampshire!!! Racists and bigots stick together!!!

Obama does not have core Democrats because he has a short resume and doesn't seem to have worked very hard. Hillary has always worked harder, because she is professional a woman! ( I know from personal experience as well..women have to worker harder to be recognized! )..she does her homework and she has a track record. Obama is all talk. If he had credentials like Colin Powell, their would be no issue. I cannot/won't vote for Obama.

Posted by: LaurenR1
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Lauren, if Colin Powell was running for President, YOU would not vote for him either, so, who are you trying to kid? Your comments about Hillary are funny! :) Hilliary is 60 years old, she is a whole 14 years older than Senator Obama!! So she is wo wonderful, why didn't she run for President MUCH earlier?? Why has she waited until age 60 to do it??? And if she is so electible, why is she so far behind in states won, popular votes, delegates, and now superdelegates??? Senator Obama is a great man of integrity, honesty, wisdom, great judgement, terrific leadership and managerial skills (just look at his campaign which has been identified as the BEST IN U.S. HISTORY!), good character, a superb orator who gets his message across with inspiration, sincerity and honesty, a uniter as proven by the HUGE numbers he, his campaign, volunteers, and supporters have registered to vote. He is an expert on raising money and spending it wisely. He has raised more campaign funds than any candidate in history!

As for Hilliary - well, let's see, she has run a chaotic and disconnected campaign with months of infighting, firing of aides and managers alike, firing Penn but not firing him, extremely poor management of campaine funds, owest $10 Million to MIDDLE-CLASS vendors and business people who provided her and her campaign with such things as stage setups, hotel rooms, and food and whatever else the Clintons wanted. These are the very people she claimed to be for, yet she lives these people hanging and refuses to pay them. Her debts date back to the days in Iowa!!! She has proven she is divisive and destructive, changes personas and her message about as often as she changes her pantsuits. In short, she has proven she is NOT trustworthy and is not fit to be President and Commander-in-Chief. Her fraudulant claims of "I remember ....landing in Bosnia under sniperfire, putting their heads down, and running to our cars.......and that is what happened" and her subsequent visit to the Jay Leno show laughing and joking about being late "because I ran into sniperfire" are a big slap in the face to our military men and women who in fact deal with sniper fire and all kinds of deadly attacks in Iraq, the war she helped propel, DEFINITELY DISQUALIFIES HER FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. Any candidate who concocts fraudulant claims regarding deadly weapons/situations and then thinks it is funny to joke and laugh about running into such weapons/situations is NOT WORTHY OF THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, NOR IS THAT CANDIDATE WORTHY OF BEING THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF OUR MILITARY FORCES.

Her facial expressions always amuse me, but this one in particular appears as though someone just shoved something somewhere.

Obama does not have core Democrats because he has a short resume and doesn't seem to have worked very hard. Hillary has always worked harder, because she is professional a woman! ( I know from personal experience as well..women have to worker harder to be recognized! )..she does her homework and she has a track record. Obama is all talk. If he had credentials like Colin Powell, their would be no issue. I cannot/won't vote for Obama.

Posted by: LaurenR1
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Lauren, if Colin Powell was running for President, YOU would not vote for him either, so, who are you trying to kid? Your comments about Hillary are funny! :) Hilliary is 60 years old, she is a whole 14 years older than Senator Obama!! So she is wo wonderful, why didn't she run for President MUCH earlier?? Why has she waited until age 60 to do it??? And if she is so electible, why is she so far behind in states won, popular votes, delegates, and now superdelegates??? Senator Obama is a great man of integrity, honesty, wisdom, great judgement, terrific leadership and managerial skills (just look at his campaign which has been identified as the BEST IN U.S. HISTORY!), good character, a superb orator who gets his message across with inspiration, sincerity and honesty, a uniter as proven by the HUGE numbers he, his campaign, volunteers, and supporters have registered to vote. He is an expert on raising money and spending it wisely. He has raised more campaign funds than any candidate in history!

As for Hilliary - well, let's see, she has run a chaotic and disconnected campaign with months of infighting, firing of aides and managers alike, firing Penn but not firing him, extremely poor management of campaine funds, owest $10 Million to MIDDLE-CLASS vendors and business people who provided her and her campaign with such things as stage setups, hotel rooms, and food and whatever else the Clintons wanted. These are the very people she claimed to be for, yet she lives these people hanging and refuses to pay them. Her debts date back to the days in Iowa!!! She has proven she is divisive and destructive, changes personas and her message about as often as she changes her pantsuits. In short, she has proven she is NOT trustworthy and is not fit to be President and Commander-in-Chief. Her fraudulant claims of "I remember ....landing in Bosnia under sniperfire, putting their heads down, and running to our cars.......and that is what happened" and her subsequent visit to the Jay Leno show laughing and joking about being late "because I ran into sniperfire" are a big slap in the face to our military men and women who in fact deal with sniper fire and all kinds of deadly attacks in Iraq, the war she helped propel, DEFINITELY DISQUALIFIES HER FROM THE OFFICE OF COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. Any candidate who concocts fraudulant claims regarding deadly weapons/situations and then thinks it is funny to joke and laugh about running into such weapons/situations is NOT WORTHY OF THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, NOR IS THAT CANDIDATE WORTHY OF BEING THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF OUR MILITARY FORCES.

Hey ninaK I notice you didn't take a shot at my posting, why not? You seem like the typical know-nothing Obama follower, don't tell me you were one of the ones that Obama was referring to when he would start off his campaign rallys with, "I think someone just fainted over there." What a great candidate, has to bring up the fact that he has semi-conscious attendees at his rallys. Obama is a joke, a bad joke being foisted upon the American electorate by people in a smoke filled room at the DNC. Keep trying to trick and badger people into believing he is the only one who can lead us back to a sound economy like the one Bill Clinton presided over while the Republicans were trying to railroad him, first with Whitewater then with Monica. While Mr. empty suit Barracks was saying things like his associate Weather Underground member Bill Ayers was bombing our citizens while Obama was eight years old, forty years ago (BTW Obama is 45). Obama's inexperience is all we need according to people like you while experience seems to count for nothing. Remember that the next time your car or home requires repairs and the inexperienced mechanic or repair man botches the job, the analogy is obvious. Wonder why people would rather vote for McCain than Obama, if Senator Clinton is not the Democratic nominee? NO, NO, NO, not racism, HE HAS EXPERIENCE! Duh? No wonder you liberals can't win, you're all frothing at the mouth that you have a dimwit Ivy League frat boy who speaks well as a poster boy, he's George W. Bush with a tan and better speaking skills.

According to Obama's supporters:

1. People in West Virginia are "uindeducated WHITE people who are also racists and bigots" (stereotiping)

2. Hilliary is 60 years old, she is a whole 14 years older than Senator Obama!! (Age discriminaton)

3. "Of what use is a post menopausal, stumpy legged hausfrau who can't do laundry. She dosen't even have grandchildren to babysit..." (Gender discrimination)

I like Obama, I do not like his supporters.

 
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