Hillary Clinton dissed party activists and MoveOn.org

Apparently Hillary Clinton hasn't always been enamored with the rambunctious nature of the historic fight for the Democratic presidential nomination. Speaking to financial backers after Super Tuesday, she blamed the party's activists and MoveOn.org for her early primary and caucus defeats, according to an item over at The Huffington Post.

"MoveOn.org endorsed [Barack Obama] -- which is like a gusher of money that never seems to slow down," the item quotes Clinton as saying (there's audio on the site).

Her campaign, she continues, had been less successful in caucuses because those gatherings bring out "the activist base of the Democratic Party... [T]hey are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."

Eli Pariser, MoveOn's executive director, defended the base: "Senator Clinton's attack on our members is divisive at a time when Democrats will soon need to unify to beat Senator [John] McCain. MoveOn is 3.2 million reliable voters and volunteers who are an important part of any winning Democratic coalition in November. They deserve better than to be dismissed using Republican talking points."

So much for party unity in the dash for the White House.

It was exactly ago a week ago ...

that another Huffington Post item unearthed a candid comment -- Barack Obama's now-infamous sociological assessment of the mores of small-town America -- and the reaction to it roiled the Democratic presidential race.

Clinton's comment won't kick up as much a fuss as Obama's, but she did poke a stick at a group that can be counted on to respond in kind.

Indeed, Pariser took particular umbrage to Clinton, in the comments to her donors, saying, "MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with."

Pariser said: "Senator Clinton has her facts wrong again. MoveOn never opposed the war in Afghanistan, and we set the record straight years ago when Karl Rove made the same claim."

And you can be sure that many of its members will seethe over the Afghanistan matter.

The fact that Obama made his small-town comment in San Francisco helped give it particular reasonance. The new post concerning Clinton does not identify where she uttered her words; Huffington Post editors tell us that information was withheld to protect the source who provided the audio to free-lance journalist and author Celeste Fremon.

The event, we've been told, "was a small affair held between Super Tuesday and the Ohio/Texas primaries in a major American city."

There's irony in Clinton trashing MoveOn -- the group was formed, and its name conceived, in an effort to persuade the country that too much time and energy was being devoted to impeach and drive Bill Clinton from office because of the Monica Lewinsky affair.

-- Scott Martelle/Don Frederick

Comments

[Prantha]

OOPS! Hill "misremembers" facts again. I guess she is still angry at Moveon for NOT supporting her. What a jerk she has become.

[David]

How the hell do you know her comment wont kick up as much of a fuss? I didnt like Hillary to begin with for her tactics, but I joined moveon.org to defend Bill Clinton. This comment is beyond the pale!

[Catherine Mc.]

This is an orchestrated attempt by Hillary Clinton for a sister souljah moment. She has let this information leak out specifically to distance herself from the progressive side of the party to win Penn and Indiana working Blue collar workers. San Francisco and Moveon.org are "Code" for liberal, and Hillary wants to distance herself from these groups at the moment. Since much of that base is supporting Obama, she is not losing voters. But she does want to gain the more moderate voters still undecided. Notice that her 1995 comments when she said "Screw 'em" Rural White Voters is not getting any play.

Pread this around, and don't make a big deal about this silly stuff with this "audio".

[Truth Seeker]

I saw a video posted on youtube.

Hillary was right; the Obama supporters were rude.

[Matt]

Hillary needs to figure out which side of the aisle she's on. She's starting to make McCain look silly. Ouch, that vote for Iraq will cost a lot. Her family legacy.

[Deefromtx]

Does Pennsylvania use electronic voting?

What measures will be used to prevent tampering or manipulation of votes.

Does anyone know the answer?

[Adam]

So she doesn't like the activist base of the party, the one that gets out and knocks on doors and donates money? And she doesn't agree with the activists? Why? Just where do they disagree? This would be important to know? Just how far right is Hillary? Does she secretly oppose things that we don't know about, like with NAFTA? I can guess, with Nader running, that there could be a shift of people voting for Nader instead of Democratic if Hillary is the nominee. Without the activists, there will only be labor unions to get out the vote. This was a very stupid thing for Hillary to say. She should know she needs activists to win a general election. Why would she trash them?

[Oregon4Obama]

WoW hillary you sure say lots of weird crap when you are not winning huh?

She was mad at party activists and moveon.org, so she was mad at democrats for organizing, looking at the candidates, assessing them and then chosing her rival over her.....so she's mad at democracy????

Hillary you are un-freaking-believable....and UN-freaking-electable

[John]

Clinton stomps Obama to a pulp and leaves him for dead in Wednesday's debate and then she gets endorsed by Maya Angelou. But all we get is some minor dustup about Moveon.org and Huffington. It's always been death by a thousand cuts from the media for Hillary. No wonder she struggles so.

[tlsmith1963]

I am so sick of "turncoats" like Hillary. I don't want two parties that are Republican, but she seems to want it. I want a choice between conservative & liberal, because that means that voters have a choice, which is what democracy is all about. I guess, like Bush, Clinton doesn't believe in democracy. I am so glad that I voted for Obama in our primary.

[Judyplace]

HRC is lucky that the story about her comments have not hit the press like she made sure Obama's did. Even as her canpaign took the words out of context. She would be out of the race if she operated with any since of morals. The press would not give her so much attention. The press likes the messy approach she uses. Keep up the good work MoveOn.org.

[Judyplace]

HRC comment need to be pasted all over the new kit the press has dealt with the now :bittergate".

[Harley]

What MoveOn forgets is they are going to need people like me (Hillary Supporter) to contribute and vote for Obama in the fall. The way they have acted toward her and they way there members did act at caucuses (I had first hand knowledge) really pissed us off to the point we are willing to take a chance on McCain instead of going with the ugly far left of our party. I'm to the point now that I don't care if Nader wins, just as long as it isn't Obama.

[Alex]

Moveon.org will become a problem for the democratic party. They are the extreme left wing such as the extreme right wing religious right of the Republican party. They should volunteer to be the first to have their taxes raised.

[Tim]

Hillary will diss everyone who doesn't support her in the primaries. But she forgets that these are also fellow democrats, whom she can't afford to lose in November.

I don't know what her chief strategist is telling her, or what Mark Penn is telling her now, or what she's telling herself, but she certainly not making her prospects any clearer and brighter later in the year, by dissing so many stalwarts of the Democratic party.

She's only creating massive potholes for herself to fall into come November. She's actively pressing her own self-destruction button right now.

[concerned]

Why is it that someone motivated to assertively speak their position should be looked at as a negative? Of course, none of us in society are rising up with torches and pitchforks to storm the castle, but those who have the commitment to stand up and fight for what they believe in should be heard. If someone has a problem with it, stand up yourself. Maybe it's not enough just to vote, although most Americans don't bother to so even that.

[Ernette S.]

Hillary Clinton is one of the most hypocritical politicians to come down the pike ever. Her tactics of twisting and lying (Bosnia) are disgusting. I believe she'd use anything turn on anyone and fabricate whatever she could to get the nomination. Why is she so surprised that Senator Obama has so much support from those tired of the same old Washington hypocrites? Maybe you shoul temporarily rename you organization "MOVEOVERHILLARY.ORG

[Peter]

Another Clinton act of desperation.

One wonders why the Clinton's never blame themselves, never really accept responsibility for their mistakes. It is always someone else that gets the blame.

[Marian Williams]

Obama and the Country of Doom

Obama spells doom for this country. Not only because of his dubious affiliations with mob members like Rezko and criminals like Auchi, but because of his lack of experience and bias education especially his bizarre religious affiliations. He is like silly putty; able to change his ideas for the public as needed so as to achieve his goal as supreme leader.

His intentions are unclear, but his affiliations are clear. Being surrounded with people like the violent Ayers, or the Hiteresque Wright, or his American hating wife Michelle, or his Kenyan half brother Islamic Jihad terrorist Abongo “Roy” Obama, or his Jewish/Israeli hating best friend Rashid Khalidi, or his close advisor Robert Malley who advocates supporting and helping the terrorist group Hamas, or Mr. McPeaks, Obama’s military advisor who open believes American Jews are the "problem." and “Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel,” or Obama’s super delegate and major long term supporter Senator Meeks who openly hates and distrust all whites and gays or Obama’s most dangerous affiliation to Mr. Auchi who was Saddam Hussein right hand man and made billions in Iraq and has been a important supporter and behind the scene man throughout Obama’s rise to power.

And besides all this questionable laundry in Obama’s life, another serious question is why is Obama protected and promoted by the media? Is this also being directed from behind the scenes? The American public has been fooled before and I guess those in power know we can be fooled again. (Kennedy’s assassination, Martin Luther King’s assassination, the invasion of Iraq…).

The fact that Obama has made it this far demonstrates the collective lack of discriminative intelligence and education of this country. And nothing demonstrates this better than how well Obama plays his black card; which plays on our fear of being labeled a racist.

[N.E. BodybutHillary]

Dignity. The lady is lacking dignity. If you put her in office, you are no better than those who put George W. Bush in office. Restore the office of the president to a dignified level. Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have devastated the office of president of the United State. Electing Hillary would be rubbing salt into the wounds. There is only one candidate who can restore the presidency to something the world should expect from us. Vote for Barack obama

[Sue]

I wonder how this will play with the Super Dupers? Not all that well, I suspect. They aren't stupid. A successful candidate cannot throw 3.2 million MoveOn members under the bus and not expect blow back.

MoveOn spent $500 million on the 2006 Congressional elections, and was instrumental in getting the House and Senate back for the Democrats.

She also did exactly what she just stomped Obama for doing: saying one thing behind closed doors and something else in public. This is what she said about MoveOn a year ago:

"You've been asking the tough questions," Clinton said in April of last year at a MoveOn-sponsored town hall event. "You've been refusing to back down when any of us who are in political leadership are not living up to the standards that we should set for ourselves... I think you have helped to change the face of American politics for the better... both online, and in the corridors of power."

You can hear the audio here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iFtHoNu-2Pc

[The Oracle]

It's not over until Rosie O'Donnell sings...

[GS]

She's right! Obama supporters are "bullies"! Even when they post their comments, they make crude and rude remarks. Pretty radical for liberals eh?

They can't admit when they've been whooped, they make excuses, they side-step the issues... oops, sound familiar? Just like their candidate!

I agree with John... The "Media/Press" just glossed over Maya Angelou's endorsement of Hillary. Maybe CNN and MSNBC are scared African-Americans may "notice" and follow her to Hillary.

[DEMS WANT OBAMA OUT NOW]

RIGHT ON HILLARY!!! SHE HAS THE BALLS THAT OBAMA S MISSING

OBAMAS AGAIN NAMED IN FEDERAL Rezko trial!
Obama needs to tell us more about his relationship with Ayers. It’s important because voters might well wonder whether that relationship, coupled with Obama’s longtime relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is the beginning of a pattern, a pattern in which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really don’t like the United States of America.

FEDERAL COURT | The Obamas lied about attending bash for Iraqi crook Nadhmi Auchi. BY NATASHA KORECKI, CHRIS FUSCO AND TIM NOVAK

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama was again drawn into Tony Rezko's corruption trial when the prosecution's star witness placed Obama at a party for an Iraqi-born billionaire who was barred entry to the United States. Stuart Levine testified under cross-examination that Obama and his wife, Michelle, attended the reception for Nadhmi Auchi.

An Obama connection court testimony have linked presidential hopeful Barack Obama with Iraqi-born billionaire Nadhmi Auchi and Rezko. Obama met Middle Eastern bankers at the Four Seasons hotel in Chicago hosted by Rezko, who was courting potential investors for a 62-acre South Loop development. Auchi later took control of that project. Later Auchi attended a dinner party at Rezko's Wilmette mansion. Obama and his wife, Michelle, also were there, according to federal testimony at Rezko's corruption trial. The Obama campaign's responsed that Senator and Mrs. Obama have no recollection of attending the event.

Jan. 28, 2008 Rezko was jailed for withholding details of his finances -- including a $3.5 million payment from Auchi convicted of fraud in France in 2003. After visiting Chicago and Detroit in 2004, he wasn't allowed back into this country, according to a prosecution filing in the Rezko case gathering for Auchi took place at Rezko's mansion in Wilmette, with Mr. and Mrs. Obama there. Monday, Obama camp said Obama does not recall meeting Nadhmi Auchi but Obamas attended the Wilmette reception, which came less than a month after Obama's Democratic primary win for his U.S. Senate seat. Rezko had been a key fund-raiser for Obama with Auchi. Obamas relationship with Rezko who is accused of demanding kickbacks from people seeking Illinois government business is now under a federal microscope as he seeks the presidency. Obama particularly has drawn fire for buying property from Rezko's wife a strip of land adjacent to Obama's Kenwood home at a time when both Obamas knew Rezko was already known to be under federal investigation.

Gov. Blagojevich hosted a separate dinner party for Auchi two days earlier, at the Four Seasons hotel in downtown Chicago, the Sun-Times has reported. Auchi was named by prosecutors in the January court filing that led to Rezko's bail being revoked and his being jailed. Last April, an Auchi company wired Rezko $3.5 million in connection with a valuable 62-acre South Loop site, which Rezko didn't disclose to authorities. Auchi's General Mediterranean Holding now controls the land at Roosevelt and Clark. Prosecutors said Rezko appealed to the State Department in November 2005 to allow Auchi to enter the United States, after Auchi was unable to do so.

Huffington Post-William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, is Obamas Willie Horton said
Former counterterrorism expert Larry Johnson,
There has been sudden information linking Obama to a former member of the radical Weathermen Underground group that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers, told the New York Times. I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough. Obama and Ayers were members of the board between 92-02. In addition, Ayers contributed to Obama's election to the Senate. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles. Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at the CIA and the State Department, predicts Republicans would seize on the Ayers case, and again raises questions about Obama's judgment. WHERES MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIKE CNN & MSNBC WHY ARE THEY HIDING THIS MOST IMPORTANT INFORMATION FROM VOTERS??

[Mike - WA]

I attended the Caucus in Washington State and it was overwhelmingly for Obama. There was no intimidation. A few people spoke about about what they thought about their candidate but there was no intimidation or pressure for anyone to change their vote. These Clintons are sick, sick people. If they win the Democratic nomination, I look forward to seeing them wiped out of politics in the general election.

[swuzy]

True of False? Was Hillary Clinton Fired from Watergate Investigation for Unethical Misconduct and Then Lying About It?
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Did her boss in the Watergate investigation fire her, refuse to give her a letter of recommendation and said she was a liar who did highly unethical things?
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Does her boss say that she conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality, that she was an unethical and dishonest lawyer; that he should have reported her to the bar association for disciplinary action; that she wrote a fraudulent legal memorandum which if submitted to a judge would have gotten her disbarred; and that he could not recommend her for any subsequent position of public or private trust?
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http://www.jzeifman.com/
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/hillarys-crocodile-tears-in-connecticut
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Check it out, what do you think? If it is not true, wouldn't the Clintons' have shut these sites down?
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[allison]

Don't expect nice politics coming from the Obama campaign. they wont get far bragging about Obama credentials and accomplishments.

McCain is smart, recognize that early .

[Move-OnMember]

Well, Move-On, there was something VERY FISHY about your so-called vote for your members to see which candidate a majority supported. Several women I know, who all support Clinton and who are all Move-On Members, DID NOT receive your emails for their votes on who they supported. Then, with less than a 10% response, you said that your members endorsed Obama. This is not real, and it is misleading and dishonest. I was very disappointed in the lack of integrity demonstrated by your organization.

[Casey]

I would very much like to know precisely what is her disagreement with MoveOn with regard to foreign policy and Iraq. I mean, she said she'd end the war in Iraq, right?

Maybe she is lying about that too.

[Midwest Mark]

Its time to MoveOn beyond the politics of the 1990s - Monica, Hillary et. al. Our nation needs a healer, not a street fighter.

[mary saunders]

I agree completly,That Hillary has been kicked around to long now! We know her much better then we know Obama, If you believe Obama wont bring all his american haters into the white house then your being fooled again! This man nose is up to high! like Black is better then Whites, the rv Wright believes are comeing trew Obama"s speach'es loud and strong, I would'nt trust Obama with my dog , never mind being my president. I see what kind of CHANGE he is headed for And it's not pretty, It's gonna be pay back for all of AMERICA!

[sparky]

The Clinton comments are not surprising to anyone who has followed this year's campaign. Deceit and disingenuousness have always been a part of Hillary Clintons tactics. For a good example, check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U and forward it to others you think might be interested.

[Fran]

Why are people dissing MoveOn.org? I am a member and I am not an extremist or left-winger. I focus on the issues MoveOn fights for and that is the needs of middle and lower income citizens who have been forgotten continuously. When she was lobbying MoveOn for their endorsement she LOVED them. It is only after we endorsed Obama that she now disparages them, just as in Richardson's and others who have endorsed Obama. And she continually spouted that small states and caucus states weren't important. Who told her she gets to decide what states and what citizen's votes are important and not important. Being from New York she used this same tactic to gain the Senate seat, attack anyone who doesn't support her. Who annoited her to decide which citizen's vote was important and which were not? And what gives her the right to attack anyone who endorses Obama? She attacks him on having a slight association with someone who did something illegal 40 years ago (now a highly respected Professor)through the assistance of ABC and Georgia boy (her lap dog) yet God forbid anyone bring up the fact she worked in a law firm for Robert Truehaft the attorney for The Communist Party USA (even mentioned in his obitutuary) which was 30 years ago. She wants people to count her 35 years of experience, let's discuss all her donors who have been endicted. But no, if you bring all this up you are talking about the past and beating up on poor Hillary but it's okay for her to attack Obama and any politically active group who do not fall in line with her.

She is pathetic.

[Chelsea]

I guess I'm not blue collar, but I make about 26,000 a year, which isn't much. I'm 27, one of those people Hillary condescendingly said thinks they're "immortal" in the March debate. I'm hopeful, which she and Bill have said means I'm living in a fantasy world. And I'm a MoveOn member, which means, now, apparently, that I'm some overbearing ultra-liberal who hates her and throws money at defeating her.

MoveOn's made up of a lot of pretty normal people. I'm more liberal politically than Clinton is, which is why I'm not supporting her... not because I hate her or my gender!) The MoveOn endorsement of Obama came about after they sent an email survey to members asking their preference - that's pretty democratic I think. More than the messed up caucus format, which I think should be eliminated, but I didn't hear anyone calling caucuses unfair until they lost one.

I'm not a registered Democrat. I have volunteered through MoveOn and on my own to register people to vote, to explain to them the confusing "Texas Two-Step" process, and to check people in at my Texas county convention last month, where the caucus votes were finally counted. All of these involved trying to help people vote, regardless of who they'd vote for.

I've never given a dollar to a political candidate, not directly, through a political party, or through a PAC. But I will keep spending my free time trying to affect this election, and there are lots of people doing that, within and without MoveOn.org. Hillary Clinton, please don't tell me my influence is untoward just because it's not helping you.

[Mary LB]

I voted in Move On dot org's poll on who they should endorse. I do not recall any Afghanistan petitions; most likely she misspoke and meant Iraq. She told Code Pink she gave the matter (Iraq) careful study and would like to agree with them, but could not.

That is why I did not vote for her in Move On's poll. She seems not to understand a government "of, for and by the people". It is a president's job to work for us; we pay their salary. We are allowed to "redress government" for wrongs. They are to do our bidding, not force us to vote for them, when they do not agree with our core values.

She now admits "we acted on faulty intelligence"; there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The only thing I wrote to Bill, during his terms in office, about was air strikes in no fly zones. I suggested we start lessening our nation's dependency upon oil, rather than start yet another war.

He did not agree with me either. Maybe he should have listened; because we are less safe now. A Marine Iraqi vet summed it up: for every 2 or 3 enemy we kill, we wake up 10 or 12 more. Iraqi Vets Against War, Veterans for Peace are other citizen groups that do not agree with Hillary.

Of course, like Neil Bush, Bill profits from the Iraq war via Dubai. The Bush/Clinton monarchy do not want to give up their seat of power in DC. That is why she lies so much about Obama and pretends that she is going to fight special interests. She vowed in an earlier debate that she would continue to take lobbyists money.

I guess she banks on people misremembering. She forgot that this is not yesterday. We, the people have instant access to information and yesterday's news at our fingertips. "a gusher of money" is questionable. She has more large dollar donors than Obama. His ave. contribution is $109.

Her assumption seems to be that Move On dot org members are middle or upper income folks. Maybe they are. But I have signed many of their petitions and I most definitely do not have spare change to gush.

[cbl]

I was a member of Moveon and moved out the moment they endorsed Senator Obama. I agree with the assessment of the caucus'. In Texas at our precinct, there were Obama supporters trying to intimidate and take over. Remember the news? We also had a lawyer flown in that was telling us how to do everything. I kept trying to find our why he was there and who brought him in. He was not from Texas, I absolutely believe that they were at caucus' all over Texas that night.

[Mariano]

Comment by John: Maya Angelou endorsed Hillary almost a year ago now, what does that have to do with this issue? What does McCain, both Bush's and both Clintons not wearing flag lapel pins have to say about their patriotism? (Debate or plain old silly?) I wrote Maya then, telling her I feel Hillary has become what Maya cautioned woman about: forgetting values; favoring power and money over values of love and life.

My PA family members are voting for Obama. I was surprised by the pro-war, Marine vet Republican's switch. My son-in-law and I butt heads more than once on the issue of Iraq. They are more citizens that do not agree with Hillary. He most especially would not be a Move On activist.

What makes Clinton think citizens want a Bush/Clinton monarchy in DC? She will blame anyone and anything on her lack of majority support, but never face facts. Lie upon lie. Not just from Bill, but from her throughout the campaign. Must say, she is good at selling her lies to gullible people. I see their comments all over the web. Even on this blog post.

[Merry]

Her comments are much more noteworthy when you hear what she said to move on a year ago.
Praising them in hopes to get their endorsement. Perhaps printing both statements in one article will give everyone a good view of the real Hillary Clinton
It show, once again how untruthful she is and how good she is at lying.

[Kevin]

I really am suprised at this nonsense the media keeps trying to poison people with. The Clinton's are not dishonest in anyway. I think there is no doubt that Obama and the Republicans have united media-wise because they both fear the support the Clinton's have will defeat them. It's the persecution from the ridiculous Lewinsky Scandal all over again.

[Anee]

Harley is right every time Snobama ridicules voters or flips off our candidate is just another reminder for us why we can't vote for him.
With the moveon.org radicals in my party I feel like I am IN the wrong party and this makes McCain a very viable choice.

[girladvenger]

Good they should be dissed. Never in my life as a democrat have I seen this kind of behavior from so-call democrats and the reason is because they are not democrats but anti-american, anti war of any kind and anti democratic.

Some of the tactics use came out of 3rd world MARXIST dictatorships.

Obama, no thank-you...this black women is not drinking your kool-aid. You're just like Jim Jones and the People's temple here in Los Angeles that killed so many people.

All talke and nothing else...Chicago politics 101 are dirty, corrupted and useless.

[nooptee]

I can almost predict what she is going to do.. She will do a Lieberman. And this is how this will end. She has too much at stake to lose the nomination. Atleast she will make sure it doesnt go to someone like Obama who will shut down the kind of crony capitalism/politics in action now under bush and will continue under clinton. What a shame.

[Michael Richey]

The Democrats have given the GOP an early Christmas gift. Hillary (like Bill) is a pathological liar. She will say, or do, ANYTHING in order to get elected. It's about power, not serving the people. Admit it to yourselves, Hillary supporters. More and more people who can actually think for themselves are seeing right through this candidate. She and her husband are, without doubt, political prostitutes.

As for Obama, again we must be honest with ourselves before we can properly critique him. His voting record in the senate demonstrates a pattern of wishy-washy - don't dare take a stand LACK of voting that should, by itself, show he is not a leader! He has abstained from so many votes that he should be ashamed to refer to himself as a senator. He was elected to represent his constituency and has failed miserable every time he declined to vote on an issue. What kind of leader does NOTHING in order to "not make a mistake that could come back on him"? Furthermore, and again this requires one to be honest with ones self: he has involved himself for decades with a radical sect of "Americans", if they can call themselves that. Separatists are probably a better word. His wife is more racially biased than anyone in mainstream politics could ever get away with. Why is she allowed to do this? Are we afraid to call an African American a racist? Pathetic. Wake up Americans!

John McCain is by no means a perfect candidate. He does, however, often buck the entire system and refuse to toe the party line. He has his own ethical standards and sticks to them more than any other candidate we've seen in quite some time. He is experienced in life, politics, and war. He has seen the worst war has to offer. Again, be honest: would this man subject so many people from so many countries to the horrors of war without reasonable cause? No matter who takes over, they will have to deal with extremism and our security and make decisions about how best to use or not to use our military.

Appeasement has been shown throughout history to be an unlikely resolution in the long run. We don't speak German and live under tyranny because of the blood of millions of brave souls in the 20th century. Don't stomp on their graves! Our military is based on a volunteer army. Don't join without considering the chance of being deployed in a deadly situation. If all you want is free training and college money, but don't want to offer your life, potentially, for the security of your country STAY OUT OF THE ARMED FORCES.

Admit to yourself one last thing: it is not, and has never been, humanly possible to peacefully coexist on this planet. Think about it. I certainly don't have an answer to fix it. I do know that large portions of our national treasure are given out as aid to many, many countries around the globe. America is not a bad country! People didn't cry about our involvement around the world so much when the big bad Soviet Union posed a threat. If a nuke of any size gets detonated in New York, or most places in this country, you can say goodbye to the American way of life as our financial system will collapse like a deck of cards. We will be worthless. Try and get some money from your investments or bank accounts when the system collapses. No commerce, no money to buy food, looting, bare cupboards and fighting among ourselves for the Darwinian right to survive. Do you think it can't happen? Just wake up and be an American who supports America. That is the best we can do. Then, together we take our chances living in a dangerous world.

Michael Richey
Pasadena, CA

[Kim in Islesboro, Maine]

First, what exactly has Hillary "whooped" Obama at?! He has more popular votes (even counting the non-vote in FL), he has won twice as many States (and yes we in those other States think we actually count even if Hillary doesn't think so), he has more pledged delegates, and more elected official super delegates. Who's the loser?? She is not going to get this nomination -- deal with it. Second, the reason no one covered Maya Angelou endorsing Hillary last week is because Maya Angelou had ALREADY endorsed her last year. It isn't actually news worthy for the same person to repeatedly re-endorse the same candidate. It is true Hillary has lost so many super delegates (which Maya is not) that I guess she needs to gin up fake news (like fake sniper fire) by having her people re-endorse her again and again. But it isn't actually NEWS if you go to your supporters birthday celebration and they say they are STILL for you. Here is the link since I am sure you won't believe me -- a mere rude Obama supporter and MoveOn member --
http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2007/12/12/maya-angelou-endorses-hillary-clinton/

[Mrs]

here's what Hillary said about MoveOn just last year.

Strange how much she loved MoveOn then...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iFtHoNu-2Pc

[Jim]

I am constantly amazed how Obama can have that kind of support money. They say he is supported by blacks and young people. Why aren't we asking where the money is coming from. Do you really think that blacks and young people have that much money. This is strange phenomenon that no media seems to care. Where is he getting the money. Blacks or college kids? Please give me a break. I would see the money trail. There is something wrong. Mathematically impossible for him to raise this kind of money and we just take it as is. Hillary had this kind of money pouring in, don't you think someone raised a red flag?

[Herm]

I am so happy to hear that Senator Clinton is coming back again and moving ahead of Obama on recent poll. I heard she is 19 points behind on Newsweek poll but Newsweek is strong supporter of Obama (much like MSNBC)and its samples may not be reliable. She appeares to be extremely knowledgeable on issues and a strong leader as she has been standing up fighting despite severe attacks from news/medias, party leaders, and some liberal democrats. Since Senator Clinton's supporters seems very loyal to her, Obama needs her intense help to get their votes in order to win the GE. However, Senator Clinton may not be so proud of you(Obama) for the first time in her adult life if you continue flipping your wrong finger on her.

[Cori]

She is right.

[Teri B.]

The division in the party isn't the candidates' fault - they're doing what candidates do. It isn't the voters' fault - they're allowed to be divided. Democracy is a good thing right? But too little in this primary has been about democracy.

The DNC has caused it, with not only this FL and MI nightmare, but what Dean is doing right now, in trying to stifle the voices of the remaining voters. The media is doing it, by taking sides, slanting coverage, and focusing almost exclusively on rubbish. And the powerful democratic political action groups and other organizations, like moveon.org, dailykos, democraticundergroud, etc. are doing it, by only furthering the agenda of half the party and spitting in the face of the other half. Folks, remember these are the very people who keep saying this primary is divisive and must be ended! NO, THEY DON'T DECIDE ELECTIONS, WE DO! If we give our power to them, we'll never get it back!

[Jim]

John, post at 7:12PM:

the reason there is no coverage of the "news" that Hill-Billy got endorsed by Maya Angelou (come on, this one is idiotic: but what does Maya Angelou know about politics that I don't??) is:

IT'S NOT NEWS!!

Angelou has been on Clinton's side all along. OLD NEWS is not really news, is it??

Before you bash LA Times for putting out another bad real news for Hill-Billy, check your knowledge. LA TImes is not responsible for your ignorance.

Meanwhile, what do you have to say about your losing candidate aiming another "SCREW 'EM" at people who happens to not want to support her, this time at Democratic activists?

MoveOn came about to support Bill in 1996. They recognized their mistake and just want to do the right thing now. Plus Obama has a real message and Hill-Billy is all about who's got more insider connections....