Breaking News (Updated): Ron Paul surges in Pa.

While some people pay attention to the alleged contest between Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama (and she won big), almost unnoticed is the Republican primary.

Many people think Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain has won the GOP nomination.

Actually, he has. A long time ago.

But Texas Rep. Ron Paul's revolutionaries continue to plug away. With 45% of Pennsylvania's 9,268 precincts reporting, Paul has captured 15% of the vote. He's easily beating former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who has only 12%.

Two things will moderate joy in the Paul camp. One, Huckabee suspended his campaign and stopped campaigning weeks ago. Yet, he's still getting 12%. And second, McCain is capturing 73% of the GOP vote -- which was apparently reduced by some thousands of Republicans who changed their registration to vote Democratic for Clinton, as ordered by their leader, Rush Limbaugh, to promote further prolonged feuding among Democrats.

On the other hand, Paul will point out, McCain has already won the party's top ticket spot and yet is drawing only 3 out of 4 Republican ballots.

(UPDATE: With 98% of Pennsylvania's 9,268 precincts reporting Rep. Paul has narrowed the lead of Sen. McCain by 1%, to just 57 points. Paul captured 125,204 votes or 16% to McCain's 570,188 or 73%. Mike Huckabee trails both with 89,344 or 11%.)

-- Andrew Malcolm

Comments

[JP]

How can McCain possibly win the presidency when over 1/4 of his base won't vote for hm and the Democrats are turning out 5 times the vote? The GOP is cooked. Let's wait and see what happens at the convention, esp. since PA delegates are not bound.

[Ryan Cowles]

Mr. Malcolm --- Thanks for the note. I know the majority of your readers probably think we (Ron Paul supporters) are off-the-deep-end crazy, but those who really try and understand Congressman Paul begin to see that he only wants what is best for our country. I cherish our United States, as I imagine you do as do most of your readers.

Thanks for being honest and acknowledging the material fact that McCain is not winning Pennsylvania 99% to 1% like he SHOULD be if he were the party's clear choice.

It's truly a saddening year for my Republican Party.

Ron Paul supporters not only have big hearts for Congressman Paul, but also for our country.

[Fred]

Nearly 1/6 Republicans in Pennsylvania voted for Ron Paul. Considering that he only received $120,000 in donations in March, hasn't received any media attention, and has an extremely limited campaign staff, I consider that outstanding.

I continue to be amazed by the dedication of Ron Paul's supporters. If only other candidates could raise so much enthusiasm in their supporters, we would actually have meaningful Presidential elections.

[Dr Kibble]

The underlying theme here is that there are a vast number of people who are dissatisfied with the current Republican Party. If the GOP had a big tent, it would welcome Ron Paul supporters, listen to their concerns, and adapt. This is the optimist in me speaking. The pessimist in me believes that the GOP will not change and will face certain defeat come November.

Ron Paul supporters will continue to wave signs on street corners and try to change the Republican Party back to what it once was. We also hope to get the rest of American to at least listen to Ron Paul's message. We continue to do this even though Ron Paul's odds are slim to none of winning the GOP nomination. It reminds me of a passage I came across in the Bible:

Matthew 11:16
But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places and calling to their playmates, "We piped to you and you did not dance; we wailed and you did not mourn."

[ellen]

The fact that Ron Paul is pulling 16% (with 85% reporting) is ASTOUNDING considering the uphill battle he fights to be acknowledged as existing-much less actively running. I looked hard-very hard- to find mention of his candidacy anywhere in the national media, leading up to this PA primary. Even C-span has dropped the ball and acts as if there is no Repub. contest at all.

Against such odds, and with no hope of success "in the conventional sense", Ron Paul energizes 100,000 people in PA to come out and vote for him? What are these people saying? There is a story here-a huge one--thank goodness you all have a basic nose for news to touch upon it. Where the heck are your colleagues---snoozing on the job??

[Ron Moss]

Ron Paul, Andrew Jackson, all sounds familiar. Silence him , silence him. Same people, just a repeat of history. We get what we deserve. Are prices really going up or is the dollar coming down. Do we really know up from down any more?

[Edward]

I'm suspicious that Hillary has committed voter fraud again, like she did in NH.

[Linda Rayborn]

I admire the dedication of Ron Paul supporters, but what he proposes is just too far out there to be possible and Ron Paul himself does not seem to campaign very hard. Just shows up for the debates and that's about it.

I am a Huckabee supporter and am glad that Mike got a huge amount of votes considering he is not in the race, has supported McCain and is campaigning for him. I would vote Huckabee (I already did in SC) in the primary too, but we must rally to Senator McCain in November. I hope and pray Senator McCain can see what an asset Mike is to the party and add him to the ticket because we will need all the conservatives, youth, black Republicans, evangelicals and the cross-over Democrats that Mike's populist message appeals to in order for the Republican's to win. We also need Ron Paul supporters to vote McCain in November.

[Dr Ward Ciac II]

Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!

[Michaelb1]

"She won big"
Really? She netted 3, maybe 4 delegates.

[Paul]

The GOP leadership is in for a real shock. The resistance is growing not lessening in the ranks.

McCain is washed up. His record is one of self interest at the expense of country. He is a Keating Fiver and the Dems will tear him to pieces.

The Dems are a mess now but mark my works by September 1st the GOP will be in Open Revolt.

Regardless of the GOP leaderships efforts the ranks are not having any of it any more.
Have you been to the Gas pump this week?
Have looked at the cost of Bread?
Do you have 53 trillion to pay for the unfunded liabilities McCain, Obama and Clinton have worked so hard to lay at our lap.

What about the war? We have done what for seven years? I remember a carrier landing and the president's statement Mission accomplished!

OK so How will this war that costs 1 trillion a year end? When will it end?

Lastly, I saw almost our entire military move in the seventies and eighties to bases over seas, every community they abandoned suffered and are a shadow of what they could be. WHY IS THAT? Did you know one of John McCain's best AZ buddies went around the country buying up those bases and making a killing!

Have you any idea how to fix this problem? No neither does McCain or his Crew! They are all burnt out has beens.
I vote for Ron Paul and regardless of the out come the penny has dropped and the GOP is in for a decade long brawl.

McCain's words are less than meaningless. Hell he does not even know what the Presidents Working Group is? It is also known as the Plunge Protection Team! Do the research? This aging old man is not able to keep his cool or his mouth from running in expletive mode. He has balls I read on one Blog. So what they are made of LEAD and poisoned what brains he had too.

McCain is a total mistake! GOP I expect better, now get ready because we have the time and money to cut you aging and out of touch mad fools out of party and that is what I and the 300,000 will do as soon as possible.

[Neocons Are Children]

Only children are addicted to power to such an extent, that they have to rig the system to get their way. You will forever be looked upon as children amongst men, little neocons. You should be delegated to the status of small rodent in your communities, because that's your heart and soul and it also accounts for your lack of vision and imagination.

[ReadABookChumps]

Try reading one of Ron Paul's books chumps. In his books you'll find that he's been fighting against foolish government intervention and has been constantly fighting to reign in the governments spending sprees. The only guy to obey the Constitution and the only guy that actually understands economics and the dangers that US imperialism poses to liberty, peace and prosperty.

But those issues aren't important to you childish media chumps. You're far more interested in lapel pins and dubious connections to "America haters".

Dolts.

[RPismyPrez]

I just want to see RP speak at the Nov convention and show the idiot Republicans what foolish people they are, before they get their heads handed to them by the democrats.

We got a hardcore socialist future ahead of us.

[Joe]

Put a stick in it. The GOP is dead with McMunster as the candidate.

Will the real GOP candidate, Ron Paul, please stand up.
It's time to assume the role, good doctor.

[Pete]

Dr. Kibble,

Another Bible passage that comes to mind is Judges 7, where God has Gideon reduce his force from 32,000 to 300, so that all would know who was the force behind their victory over the Midianites.

Still got my fingers crossed for a miracle!

[Todd in Sacramento]

If one in six people were active in thier congressional districts we would win the battle for freedom and liberty. It takes a minority not a majority to sway your local congressman's vote. The real political power is in the House not the presidency. Even one in twenty would get the job done, but you got to have some balls and knock on your congressman's door and pound on his desk with your fist demanding a return to constitutional government.
WAKE UP!

[Doug D]

That's got to put him close to 1 million votes for the campaign.

125,000 in PA is more than the 110,000 he received in California.

16% is nothing to sneeze at.

Double-digits again, for the 11th time, but the first in a primary.

[Joe]

better move harder to the right Mr. McCain. And that means free markets, less war, more less gov't, personal liberites, etc. Oh wait ...McCain's actually a Demo ... who doesn't believe in the Constitution or any of the above. Sorry John ....Your toast come November! I'm a Republican and I approve of this message. 4 years in Obama/Hillary hell is better then one day of McCain!

[jan]

You "so-called Republicans" ought to take a good look in the mirror and ask yourselves what really is important- in your personal life AND with your country. Is a woman's right to choose any of your business anyway? And if life is so precious, then why do you support wars? Don't people die in wars? Our economy is a mess because of this disastrous and expensive war. Maybe this is God's payback for the killing you promoted! You should all be supporting Ron Paul in droves!! Read his website. You can't possibly think McCain is the better candidate, you'd have to be a moron or have your heads in the sand. I'll send my tax bill to all you that think war is the answer to our problems. You have no right to declare yourselves a true republican unless you can honestly stand for what Ron Paul does - defending the constitution. It should be a priority for EVERY American!

[Steve]

Ron Paul baby! 16% in PA!! This is strong victory for us Ron Paul supporters. PA beat out CA in total number of votes for Ron Paul without any media coverage. Plus we are having delegate success that should at the very least, embarrass McCain and the rest of the country club Gop'ers. Here in DC I get exposed to the some of the National GOP Committee people and they think Ron is a nobody!! But little do they know that a whole movement is growing, let's take back GOP!!!!!! Limited Government, low Taxes, and a strong national defense!

[p sarver]

we don't think the Ron Paul supporters are off the deep end crazy-the problem with Ron Paul is that ppl think Ron Paul himself is off the deep end crazy and would not do well in general election.

Ii've run into his supporters and no tactic is beneath them.They ran smear boards on Huckabee.They jammped up his phone banks back when Huckabee was running.All dirty pool. Sorry. I just can't see,no matter how well it looks like he did here,that he would ever carry a general election.He appeals to a tenacious but small group of supporters.

[blakmira]

Armstrong County in Pennsylvania:
Ron Paul was at 71% in Armstrong County, then mysteriously he lost votes and went down to 15%.

Vote tally with 13% reporting:
McCain - 118
Paul - 524

Vote tally with 48% reporting:
McCain - 2,063
Paul - 409

Wow. How does a candidate lose votes?

If you believe that half a million people in Pennsylvania voted for McCain and only 1/5th of that number voted for Ron Paul, I've got some swamp land in the desert to sell you.

Can you say "vote count fraud" and pre-programmed Diebold tampering? Or should we just whisper those words and pretend it hasn't happened in every primary and election in the past few decades?

[Evgeny Libek]

I have said it before, and nobody seems to listen...

The GOP made a HUGE mistake to shun Ron Paul.

Rep.Paul was signing new GOP members by the thousands -- far beyond all of the other candidates combined -- yet the party "leaders" treated him like a fool, and made NO effort to understand why.

They still haven't the slightest clue about the dynamics behind Ron Paul's ability to BROADEN the party.

Fred, Rudy, St.Huck, Mitt, and McMilitary -- they all behaved like frenzied, drunken, homo-erotic jocks at a public shower, jostling to achieve the loudest towel-snap on Ron Paul's a$$.

Nobody bothered to realize the damage this could do to the party's future, nor to add up the VOTES.

Romney would have likely won the nomination, had he only the courage to consider Ron Paul's message.

After G.Dumbleyou Bush, you'd think this party (my former party) would have grown-up.

Now, the cruel irony is, the GOP depends upon Hillary Clinton to save them, by returning the favor (she's doing a fine job discrediting Obama, and driving a wedge between the Bluedogs and the Democratic Party's future).

Typical politics... a rival for even the most profound stupidity is never found wanting from the slightest gaze across the aisle.

You'd think, by now, that the smartest generation would realize that the next generation is always significantly smarter.

[Marilyn in Texas]

Linda Raybourn,
You mosted at 8:46pm that Ron Paul doesn't campaign hard. He has been campaigning all over the country, drawing big crouwds, especially at the universities and colleges. But the media just hasn't covered him. He does campaign very hard.

[Darrell]

Ron Paul has some nice ideas but they are not well thought out. Ron Paul supporters need only take a look at history to know that trickle-down economics DOES NOT WORK.

Ron Paul's plans are far too simple for the complex world we live in. If you think his plans are great, you should travel a bit and allow yourself to see other perspectives because you're clearly missing something.

He's a nice guy and I'm sure he's sincere in his campaign but seriously, do some thinking.

[Roger]

Ya know, it's kinda sad that people are talking about how the GOP shouldn't have "shunned" Ron Paul, how they are going to "Pay", or about the "rampant" dissatisfaction in the GOP party....15% rampant?

It doesn't really matter anymore whether its a Dem or Rep elected to our high office....it's just more of the same....two sides of the same coin.

Get used to a small minority of people voting based on the principles that founded our country...the feeding trough is too big...though thankfully we will all be reminded of our humble roots in agrarian culture as our economy collapses and we all learn the value of saving rather than spending.

No more whining RP supporters, get over it...prepare yourselves and let the sheeple suffer as they must.

[Josh]

John McCain = Bob Dole. Another Lame Duck nominee for the good ole GOP. They could care less about winning and only want to drive the party further to the left.

Ron Paul = true conservative and the ONLY canidate who will hold true to his oath of office.

Clinton/Obama = 4 years of socialism and listening to liberal whiners cry about how they are victims of everything. Throw personal repsonsibility out the door.

America gave up a great chance here because they watch too much TV and could care less to read any policy. Policy isn't sexy. Race, radical preachers, supposed masoginism, arguments over tax returns, and back room comments about small town folk,....now that's sexy. Turn off your TV America and pick up a book. I'll even recommend a title; The Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Paul. Sometimes a book can change an enitre generation. Are we wise enough to take heed?

[mike hicks]

Ron Paul is the only choice there is, move over McCaine the humble RP is being raised up by some one much more powerful than you could ever be. don't stop believing all you RP supporters, keep canvassing, get delagates for Ron, I just talked to some one about Ron and he is going to vote for Ron , he was totally turned off with the other candidates, there are lots of people who still need to hear about Ron so keep up the good fight and keep praying, I believe God is listening . pray in our Lords name Jesus Christ, Give us Ron Paul for President

[Terri Kurowski]

Darrell: Ron Paul's ideas too simple for the complex world we live in? Surely you're joking! He has, by far the most well thought out solutions to the complex problems in this country, most specifically the floundering economy, and he's been talking about this and predicting what's happening now for years (and nobody listened). And who said anything about trickle down economics??

What Ron Paul is saying about the Federal Reserve alone is worth all the gold that used to be in Fort Knox. Study up!! We're being fleeced while the elites line their pockets. It's all about the monetary policy and a private bank that prints money out of thin air and lends it to the government with interest.

Ron Paul can't be summed up in bumper sticker slogans; read Ron Paul's own words. You will be amazed.

Incidentally, I just re-read his essay "Neoconned!" last night; it's a brilliant piece of writing. Check it out.

[Boltlady]

Conspiracy? Alive and well. As blakmira pointed out, it is extremely likely that it was RP who got the most votes before the machines did their thing. After all, the same type of machines were used that were used in NH. You remember how Hillary went into that one way behind in the polls and then somehow came out way ahead? Many discrepancies were uncovered in that recount but the media has been quiet about it.

Logic has to tell you that if so many people were convinced that McCain has everything sewed up, there would not have been so many that would have bothered to come out and vote for him. On the other hand, it stands to reason that the majority of the GOP votes would have been as a protest to McCain.

All you need to do is look at how many times across the states that people tried to vote for one person only to have the machine display his or her opponent. In NH the discrepancies had to do with the machine tallies. Since PA used the same kind of machines, I suspect that it was the case once again. That 16% was probably a bone thrown to the supporters hoping to quiet them down. The true numbers could well have been reversed.

[Shohadaku]

If Ron Paul had fair media, and debate time to honestly debate the issues 9 out of 10 Americans would vote for him.
If Ron Paul was the Republican candidate he would destroy whatever Democrat runs against him.
I dare ANY Candidate to go on a 1 on 1 issue debate with Ron Paul.
See how "radical" people would think Paul is if they knew Paul's stances and honesty that spans his lifetime.
Cheers to a true patriot. Our founders are rolling in their graves at what Americans have let happen to their media and Government.

[Mr. C]

Roger wrote: "Ya know, it's kinda sad that people are talking about how the GOP shouldn't have "shunned" Ron Paul, how they are going to "Pay", or about the "rampant" dissatisfaction in the GOP party....15% rampant?"

When you add the 12% of P.A. Republicans that voted for Huckabee over McCain with Ron Paul's 16%, you have 28% of the state's GOP voters that said NO to McCain!

I predict the trend will grow.

[Randolph Miller]

If Ron Paul won the Republican nomination, I'd vote for him in the general election. Since the Republicans would rather vote for 100 years of war, I'm going to vote for a different party.

[Sophie]

Darrell and other individuals have commented that Ron Paul has "nice" ideas, but that they're too simplistic. Why not try picking up a book written by Paul detailing his positions and stances instead of relying on 30-second sound bytes to draw dismissive conclusions? I highly recommend The Revolution: A Manifesto.

Traveling will only take you so far (and I've actually lived in various countries). It is the ideas that you garner from your experiences that makes the difference. If one truly wants a fresh perspective, listen to Ron Paul with an inquisitive mind. He's focused his entire political career on economics, history, and domestic & foreign policy, and I can assure you that he's had decades to think his ideas through.

[Ken]

I tried to switch my registration from Independent to Republican to vote for Ron here in PA, back in October, and never recieved confirmation of change of party...so did my wife(formerly Democrat), to the same result. Then she got calls from Barack Obama's campaign to vote for him on the 22nd...VOTER FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!! They never switched us! We couldn't vote! This system is corrupt and if you think we still have honest elections, just place your right hand out to receive your mark! Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that makes any sense and the PTB couldn't let him win...by any means necesarry. And for those of you who think I should have checked up on the change, by the time I realised something wasn't right, it was too late. This country is going to collapse, but that's the plan, and all the ones the MSM would recognise are in on it...even Huckabee and the rest of the dropout republicans.

[Dan Warner]

I count myself among the proud Pennsylvanians who cast their vote for Ron Paul. I can tell you that we are organized and also voted for delegates who have plegded support for the good Dr. In PA we vote for our delegates on the ballot and they are NOT bound or comitted, unless they have stated so before the voting begins. Even then they can vote as they choose.

Ya gotta love PA, birthplace of a nation and our constitution. I thank my fellow patriots from the keystone state for standing up for freedom and liberty!

[judy bell]

Horton heard some who : we americans who are trying to return this country to the dignity and common sense that it was founded on. I was so thrilled to vote for Ron Paul (May God Bless Him). This Who spoke up and it felt soooo good.
Peace out

[diane]

It amazes me that so many people making less than $500K/year believe in RP's plan to eliminate all entitlements (e.g., Medicare and Social Security). Trickle down economics is really trickle up for the rich; it is a simple transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich. Once again Republicans can be convinced to vote against their own economic interests. If you believe in the complete absence of a social safety net and want to build your own roads, schools, etc. (i.e., privatize everything) and turn into a third world country, keep voting for persons like RP. Even though many of his observations are on-target, his plan for America is to take us back to the 19th century robber barons era.

[Brian]

Hey, Mr. Malcolm - How can McCain win the nomination when the convention has not yet occured? There is that whole messy delegate process to still go through. Why all the pomp and circumstance if he already won it?
Oh, maybe because it hasn't been decided yet. Paul may not have more than the very slimmest chance, but it is not over yet.
If the GOP and the MSM weren't scared of making a surge, they would actually show his 16% numbers on their minute-by-minute updates. They wouldn't even show McCain's numbers last night. This is something you would see in the Soviet Union. Huckabee supporters must be disappointed, too because their symbolic votes weren't shown either.

[Richard]

Bible references... link - http://www.harmlessasdoves.com/israelking.html

1 Samuel 8:4-22: All the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. They said to him, "...appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have."

But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. And the Lord told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use. He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the Lord will not answer you in that day."

But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."

When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord. The Lord answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."

There is nothing new under the sun. Let's make our voices louder than those that call for a worldly king's authority over them. Keep government UNDER God.

[drawlr]

Diane, Thou knowest not of what thou speakest. Ignoramus!

[Frank]

Ron Paul's plans are far too simple for the complex world we live in. If you think his plans are great, you should travel a bit and allow yourself to see other perspectives because you're clearly missing something.

Apparently you have traveled the world with blinders covering your eyes. I have spent months in other countries that: haven't had a war in centuries, have no huge deficit to pass to their grandchildren, don't print money to empower the already wealth, all citizens have enough food, fuel, minimum healthcare, and don't experience a constant rollercoaster of boom/busts in their economies. Why, because they have responsible leaders like Ron Paul running their government and not corporations and special interests twisting their country to their own needs.

[Richard]

Diane, the robber barons did more for America's poor than any politician since the Revolutionary War era. Ron Paul supports Bush's tax cuts, but doesn't champion them. I think he understands that the poor need the cuts even more than the rich, which would explain his support for the removal of the IRS tax system.

Besides, I'd still rather work for an undeservedly rich person than the undeservedly financed government, which will find my wages in the taxes they steal from myself and others.

This year, the government will spend over $30k for each citizen. This should scare anyone who earns less than that, and sees the government assuming financial responsibility (and soon decision-making responsibility) over our lives, because of the debts they have incurred in our name.

Its like we all have an insolvent uncle, who also has our Power-Of-Attorney. He spends for 'freedom', while we toil in prison. Good luck.

[keith]

"Even though many of his observations are on-target, his plan for America is to take us back to the 19th century"

Bingo!

[ellen]

"Sometimes a book can change an entire generation." Wow! Josh, above, you put your finger on exactly what is going on.

This presidential election cycle has prepared the ground to be seeded by the common sense freedom message spelled out in "The Revolution: A Manifesto" (Ron Paul's new book, due out in bookstores April 30, and already # 1 in "Politics" at Amazon.com.).

These ideas will not fade away, but will grow into a towering oak, because our children and grandchildren need them.

[Paul]

"I hope and pray Senator McCain can see what an asset Mike is to the party and add him to the ticket"

gag

" We also need Ron Paul supporters to vote McCain in November."

Simply put: That ain't gonna happen.

[txpenguin]

Write in Ron Paul for president.

[Brandon]

I plan to write-in Ron Paul regardless of the preliminary result.

My only other option would be non-participation.
Unless there was a "none of the above" ballot option, as suggested (AFAIK) by Jesse Ventura.

Out of all the people in this nation, I can't believe were reduced to this selection.

[WILDEY J MOORE]

There is way to get RON PAUL ON THE BALLOT. if the Libertarian and members of the Consittution Party to endorse him, he would appear twice. Even the diisident Republican's could vote for him.

Question is, are they more interest in their party or the country? I'm a Contitutionalist. I ran for congress. If I can, I'll vote for RON PAUL, not that aren't any good Constitutionalist. but we have one RON PAUL.