Barack Obama tries to turn the page
"I'm tired of playing defense all the time," Barack Obama said this morning. "I want to play some offense."
It's a line he has used many times in speaking to labor groups. But it resonated a bit differently today.
Obama has spent the last few days back on his heels, absorbing furious punishment from the campaigns of Hillary Clinton and John McCain over his "bitter" remarks in San Francisco.
Today, Obama spoke to about 3,000 union members, gathered in Washington for the Building & Construction Trades Department's annual legislative meeting. Clinton appears before the group Wednesday.
Obama spent much of his speech focused on labor-friendly issues that elicited extended applause: opposing "right-to-work" laws, encouraging union organization and expressing skepticism about global trade deals.
But eventually he addressed the tempest of the moment, his statements regarding small-town America. In Obama's most recent equation, road-tested Monday night in Pennsylvania, "bitter" now means "angry," which when coupled with "hope" equals "Obama."
"I said people were bitter," Obama said. "People seemed to misunderstand. Yes, people are angry. If you've been filling up your gas tank, you're angry.
"You've got to feel some frustration. You've got to feel some anger," he said, "when you get the sense that the ...
American way of life for so many people is slipping away."
But, he said, that was "not a reason to give up hope."
In his most direct shot at Clinton, whom he never specifically mentioned, he said: "If anyone denies that people are frustrated and angry and, yes, sometimes bitter, then they are out of touch."
He reserved most of his criticism for McCain, whom he took to task for reversing his stand on repealing President Bush's tax cuts for wealthy Americans.
Obama was introduced by Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, who made much of Obama's common touch, speaking well-worn lines about him turning down a job on Wall Street to become a community organizer in Chicago and about how he and his wife, Michelle, took years to repay student loans.
"He turned down the big money," McCaskill said. "He went to do what was right for our country."
In that vein, Obama told the crowd: "You can trust me. Politics didn't lead me to working people. Working people led me to politics."
After the speech, a group of painters and union members from Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee said that, in their view, Obama had made short work of the "bitter" controversy.
"I thought he handled that real well," said Robert Liphard.
"He's done it right," said Jarrell Miskenen. "He got right back on it."
Liphard added: "What I'd like to see is a combined ticket." He said who was first or second on that ticket didn't matter.
-- James Oliphant
James Oliphant of the Chicago Tribune's Washington bureau writes for the Swamp.
Johanna Neuman is a veteran Washington correspondent for both The Los Angeles Times and USA Today, having covered presidents and politics as far back as Ronald Reagan. A former president of the White House Correspondents Assn., she authored a book on media and foreign policy, “Lights, Camera, Wars.” Most recently she was co-author of the
As far as I am concerned, I'm through with Hillary. She and Bill have shown their true colors. They are evil and ruthless. I'll vote for McCain if she takes/steals this election from Obama. I will shout it to the roof tops.
I'm bitter and angry!
Posted by: Ann | April 15, 2008 at 10:07 AM
The"Guide" ad should also be on TV in Pensylvania and other states.
Hillary has been taking advantage of voters ignorance and must be stopped aggresively. Imagine what they are trying to make out of Obama's recent statement? I believe Obama should attack her also on her Bosnia lies and the contents of her tax returns. Let's finish this race now!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/guide_ad
Posted by: 72WhiteGrandMother | April 15, 2008 at 10:20 AM
A former Obama client, Ahmad Baravati, changed the name of his tax exempt organization IRAN EARTHQUAKE RELIEF FUND to American Care Society
www.webofdeception.com
Posted by: Robert Lewis | April 15, 2008 at 10:30 AM
Considering that Sen. Obama has received $1.18 million from subprime lenders and has taken more campaign contributions from the top ten issuers of subprime loans that attack rings hollow as just words. Sen. Obama has a record of talking about standing up to special interests and then caving to their demands. Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results.
Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans:
Obama received $266,907 from Lehman.
Obama received $5395 from GMAC.
Obama received $150,850 from CS First Boston .
Obama received $11,250 from Countrywide.
Obama received $90,520 from Washington Mutual.
Obama received $161,850 from Citigroup.
Obama received $4600 from CBASS.
Obama received $170,050 from Morgan Stanley. [Cq.com]
Obama received $1150 from Centex. [Cq.com]
Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs.
These Are MAJOR conflicts of interest regarding Obama''s purported "Small money sources"!
Obama has gotten all that ''Influence/Lobbiest'' money from sub-prime lenders and from other major corporations, which If even partly true, then Obama is "misrepresenting Where Contributions come from".
Something sure smells rotten here.
How is Obama gonna cover and hide from all this now?
Posted by: Robert | April 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM
No Wonder we are Bitter ......And this explains who is out of touch with Americans , its Clintons and the Republicans that keep making money
from these trade policies that forget the American People so what kind of Leadership is this, favoring Big Biz , letting them Import Tariff Free from a Country that manipulates its currency so we Americans cannot compete , but the Big Biz gets to make money off the Currency exchange of the Imports Who is B.S.ing Who here ?????? Bitter , Hell Yes we American Blue Collar working class people , PEOPLE yes You SUITS we are People too , not just Consumers that are used in statistics and analyzed for our Spending power , my God Bitter doesn't explain the Mindset well enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
US deep in debt and still digging
You're paying for the nation's debt addiction through both direct and indirect taxes. And unfortunately, Uncle Sam is going to need more money.
www.articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/JubaksJournal/USDeepInDebtAndStillDigging.aspx
Foreclosures continue to soar, worst is not over
Filings up 57 percent in March over ’07; ARM resets to crest in May and June
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24115651
But the Middlemen of these Trade agreement , now they make net money from these deal in any form , as we see below ;
What a Story! Candidate Personally Receives Hundreds of Thousands From Foreign Sources, Private Interests
www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/what-a-story-candidate-pe_b_96052.html
Huge Kazakh deal follows financier's trip with Clinton, precedes donation .
www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?ex=1359435600&en=33a4d96a239655bf&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
www.archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/12/12/25043.shtml
Posted by: Tony | April 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Hope to me is Hillary Clinton. Not a man who is so greedy that he would get into bed with the likes of Rezko.
Just weeks after winning the Democratic U.S. Senate primary in 2004, Barack Obama was the guest of developer Antoin "Tony" Rezko at a party for a controversial British billionaire whom Rezko was trying to lure into an investment, a witness testified Monday at Rezko's corruption trial.
Stuart Levine, the government's star witness, said Obama and his wife, Michelle, were among the guests at Rezko's home on April 3, 2004, for the party honoring Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born tycoon currently appealing a fraud conviction in France.
As he campaigns for president, Obama has acknowledged social and political ties to Rezko, as well as a real estate deal between the two that involved Obama's South Side home. But Obama has not disclosed his presence at the Auchi party, which Rezko threw as part of a campaign to persuade Auchi to pour money into a financially troubled 62-acre development in the South Loop.
NOW COME ON>>>> would he please stand up and quit hiding... he KNOWS that the party was for Auchi.. after all that is what he wanted to do... MAKE MONEY!!!!
Obama is just a greedy as the rest of them.
He is sick of being on the defence... well then get off DE fence and quit LYING!!!!
Posted by: freedom_diva | April 15, 2008 at 10:43 AM
glad to see some understand that just because Obama says the things the others are scared of does not make him wrong.
Posted by: andrew frost | April 15, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Hillary is a snake. If she steals the election from Obama, I'll vote for Ralph Spoilsport Nader.
Posted by: Christopher Brown | April 15, 2008 at 10:46 AM
LOL....You guys just don't get it! Obama campaign set all of this up. Do you really think they didnt know the lady from the HUFFINGTON POST was recording in there. They new that it would be easy to cover up, plus lower his expectations in PA, plus make Hillary attack him, so he can attack back. Hillary and her dumb supporters took the bate and so did John The 100 McCain. I used to support Clinton until i saw how stupid her campaign is. John the 100 and Hillary fell for the Rev Wright crap. Don't you know that was going to come out anyways, what's the odds of that coming out in the longest space between two primarys. What's the odds of this "Bittergate" coming out over the weekend. You guys are idots if you think this wasnt a strategy. Now look at him, so his poll numbers are dropping in PA. BIG DEAL! he wasnt going to win there anyways. But, what he has successfully done is make Hillary out a "Republican Manchurian" candidate. He is fundrasing off of this now. Go to his website. He will come out of this untouched, minor blemish in the polls, with higher respect from the Superdelegates, because "he made it through another battle with the republicans." Thank God, im an independent if i were a republican i would be really scared because facing this guy. You are in some trouble. Why? He wins because both democrats and republicans underestimate his machivellian style, remember he is a Chicago politician. Good Luck. DEMS AND REPUB
Posted by: Ken | April 15, 2008 at 10:46 AM
What about Hillary and Bill's $109 million in the last 5 years? Think she is really in touch with the common folk of Pennsylvania? Nice job keeping that, and the Bosnia heroics, out of the headlines recently...
The nastier Hillary's up-against-the-wall tactics get, the more people hate her. The more you watch and listen to Barack, the more you like him.
Game over in early June. Even the super-delegates have had enough of this nonsense. We have a JFK in our midst, and everyone knows it.
Posted by: Peter Nanula | April 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Yeah. He also shook hand with someone who 10 years later had a parking ticket! That boy is bad!
Give me a break.
Posted by: Adam | April 15, 2008 at 10:56 AM
The more I read or hear that Obama did not take wall street job and instead, joined community work in Southside Chicago, the more suspicious I am of his intent - was it a service minded plan or a grand scheme for a short-cut to get to the Top Job!
Posted by: IJ for Hillary | April 15, 2008 at 10:58 AM
The whole thing has been completely over-played. I read quite a poignant article about this lunacy over the remark, on the Huffington Post today and that made this grown, professional woman tearful, just remembering how mean-minded media can be.
The incident also demonstrated to the observing world, what a bigoted and unenlightened place America really is. After the Iraq invasion, I don't think that the world needs any more reminder of how undemocratic America can be. This insane media's effort to push Obama off stage will just put a finishing touch in the world opinion as a final proof of what they already believe. It really has been sad few days for American journalism.
Posted by: BB | April 15, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Truth is the Heartland IS bitter...bitter over jobs going to Mexico, bitter that textitle mills have moved to bangladesh, bitter steel is being imported from China...
Posted by: lex coleman | April 15, 2008 at 10:58 AM
I think that Barack is the real 'Bitter' person. He seems like an unhappy person and he needs mental help. He is practically cracking up now when he speaks.
If he can not take the pressure now, how can he take the pressure when he is president of the US!
Posted by: dee | April 15, 2008 at 11:00 AM
Americans are a lot smarter than Hillalry and McCain realizes. To deny what is apparent is what I call being out of touch. As a working class ciitzen, I am bitter and angry because: I am tired of living from pay check to pay check and when I get a second job, IRS penalizes me for making more money.
American please read their nonesense rhetoric and also read above the lines and between the lines.
Posted by: A Taylor | April 15, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Senator Obama has never said anithing wrong.
Senator Clinton was drooling to act like over-indulgent grandmother to protect her "whimpy" "hypersensitive" rural town workers from pennsylvania.
She was lurking for any opportunity to congratiate with the people that has been deprived of opportunity by Politician without scruples like the Clinton who made 109 million and still attempt an evasion of taxes with a "clinton fundation" accepting money indiscriminated including from China, and other sources we are unawhere.
Court is awaiting for her to finish the race. Too many privileges for someone. Court do not wait for a regular american. IRS do not wait for a regular american
Rural worker from pennsylvania are though americans who accept criticism, and want change.
Rural workers from pennsylvania do not need to be smothered by Mrs. Clinton.
She "gain" texas votes by placing a seed of fear in the mind of many latinos by placing Senator obama with kenia attire. Then she "loses texas" because delegates relized about the mind manipulation and choose Senator Obama.
She gain Iowa because She told Iowans that she was against free trade, then It happens that she was the one who spoke with canadians about NAFTA, her husband and manager were pro-trade.
How Iowans feel about, She laughed in their face and took their vote, and their state. Iowans were betrayed by someone with no scruples.
Now in pennsylvamia the same pattern, Mrs Clinton erratic behavior is unexcusable. She is not acting like a serious politician.
She is dragging Senator obama through mud and feces with her tactics. Male Dogs has a bone in the penis, and are unable to finish intercourse until that penis is deflated,
Unfortunally Senator obama is stock to his woman until the race heat is over
She is ill representing women, People must know that there is women outthere with integrity, with morals, with education, articulate, with intelligence, hard workers, with dignity, and assertive.
Posted by: Alma Ludivina | April 15, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Elect Clinton to allow her to complete what her husband's administration started long ago. Selling out Corporate America to the Sovereign Funds. They got rich doing it before, and they can't wait to get back in the game again. The Chinese government wants you to pick Clinton - don't be fooled by her recent ranting that she wouldn't attend the opening ceremony. That's just a front and China knows it.
Posted by: BarryManilow | April 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Obama is going to have his turn to make the big bucks if he wins or loses this election. The Clinton's earnings are going to look like chump change -- but that is all OK, because he is BHO
Posted by: JimSeattle | April 15, 2008 at 11:06 AM
I am so done with Hill and Bill.
Billary needs to be Bushed. Bring in Monica and likes of hers. Remind voters " I did not have sex with that woman" and many more lies of the clintons.
Remind voters who Bill will be doing if he is back in the White house.
Enough.
Posted by: onlytruth | April 15, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Why are these remarks called bitter? What they sound to be is Obama mocking people who foolishly still believe in God, the 2nd Amendment etc. Anyone not supporting Obama must have no reasonable basis for their opposition or views and are just clinging to those outmoded views as they are not bright or sophisticated enough to know how good Obama is. I guess we should just trust him completely.
Posted by: Ralph | April 15, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Corporations do not give money directly. It is against the law.
That is why money is bundled. Mr. Obama has about 1million doners. No other candidate in history has ever done that.
Please state your sources when posting your "facts".
Posted by: Dennis Francis | April 15, 2008 at 11:16 AM
"You can trust me" - anytime any politician tells you this get as far away from them as you can. How many times have you heard someone say "you can trust me" only to find out they lied?
Posted by: KC | April 15, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Oh please - woe is Obama?? Poor picked on Obama?? He made a classic elitist liberal mistake - he said what he really thought about the poor working slob.
Then he tries to fix it by saying he's not rich - neither are a lot of other intellectual elitists - they just think they're smarter than everyone else - and Obama is trying to blame those who don't vote for him by telling them they're ignorant.
I always knew Obama was a con man - and each day he proves it.
Posted by: Katy | April 15, 2008 at 11:17 AM
I am a strong supporter of Senator Obama but I think Senator Obama should begin to show that he can play hard ball in the big league. Since these recent attacks from Hillary are the exact GOP tactics he will be faced with shoulds he becomes the nominee he needs to show PA and the world that he CAN effectively fight back at the GOP attach machine which is just starting to get warmed up.
Letting Hillary off the mat with the "Bosina gaft" was a misstake that has cost him. He needs to learn how to beat his opponants head against the floor when he's down and not be the "gentleman" and give his opponant a chance to get back up.
Until he learns how to effectively fight back against these kinds of attacks he will lose the confidence of his supporters the party leaders and most importantly the Super Delegates.
Senator Barack Obama please show us you have the guts to FIGHT back this is your chance, PA and the world wants you to.
The real question is can you deliver what it takes to "close the deal" that is the question everyone is now asking themself!
Posted by: Bob | April 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM
With all of the insight these bloggers have, I am surprised that more of them are not working for the CIA. Except for the automated robot blogs for Hillary that show up 2 or 3 times on every discussion, when they have nothing to do with the article.
Posted by: Ron | April 15, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Could someone post the sources for the $ amounts posted by "Robert" on April 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM?
Thanks,
--Erik Ostermueller
Posted by: Erik Ostermueller | April 15, 2008 at 11:21 AM
57% of the public believes Bill will be running things behind the scenes. no third term. Period. She is not Evita.
Peron was dead when Evita ran for Argentine president.
Posted by: bruce becker | April 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM
I can only hope that Americans can rise to the occasion, and not be bamboozled by the Mc-Hillary hype. Anyone who has read either of Obama's books about his life knows where he stands, values-wise, who he has sacrificed for, and what he believes in -- which is participatory democracy. He wants to re-configure the power structure to restore government to the PEOPLE, not special interests.
So, carry on Hillary - trying to make people forget about your intentional lies about Bosnia --
The truth will set us all free. It ain't always pretty, but we need to face facts so we can find solutions to our problems.
Carry on, Barack! We're with you....
Posted by: rosie | April 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Oh please, Obama's time of playing defense has just begun.
Posted by: Kathy | April 15, 2008 at 11:27 AM
I wonder why a lot of people cannot see up to now the obvious implication and meaning of Obama's "bitter" fiasco.
Isn't it obvious that he was making a comparison of his 20 year spiritual adviser Rev. Wright's bitter and passionate comments about the black experience? In other words Obama was putting side by side the white blue collar workers and the the black american members of his church. Furfthermore he was implying that it is okay for everyone , regardless of race, to be bitter and angry. He just could not believe that others outside his church, specially the blue collor workers of Pennsylvania and other states, have different moral values. Obama, correctly, is out of touch.
Posted by: earl | April 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM
In response to Roberts information about Obama accepting lobbyist money, all I have to say is this: Obama has already raised hundreds of millions of dollars from more donors than anyone in history. $1.8 million from lobbyist hardly makes a difference, and is indeed a laughably small sum not only compared to his total money earned through donations but compared to any and all other politicians. How is Obama going to hide from that information you ask? He doesn't have to. He will win, and he will do it telling more truth than any other politician in a generation, even if he does have to backpedal sometimes due to unreasonable sifting of his words by the petty and inferior opponents of his
Posted by: Greg Vanderford | April 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Obama is finally showing his true colors - he's a FAKE. Funny thing is his supporters are so blind. Are they so blind that they don't want to admit that he could be wrong or wrong for our country? He just completely insulted so many people behind closed doors in a fund raising event and got busted, but yet he blames others for calling him out on it. He did this to himself - no one else did this to him. Wake up people!
Posted by: Mary | April 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Too funny!
Obama already managed 'offense' with the "bitter" comments. But I'm sure that he's capable of more of the same. He's catching up to the Clintons in 'nuance' and 'explanations' and campaign 'eruptions' and outright lies - we're getting to know you, Obama!
He won't lose the Democratic nomination because his base has no idea what's wrong.
But in the general Obama will repaint the electoral map in Republican red!
Posted by: Jondo369 | April 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM
"Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results."
I like how they didn't mention that hillary had more lobbyists backing her than ALL THE REPUBLICANS COMBINED. She won't do jack about special interests.
Posted by: John McKeatingFive | April 15, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Meet the new boss,
Same as the old boss
Vote for real change
http://www.lp.org
Posted by: CleanFeeling | April 15, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Yes, I'm bitter and angry when I fill my truck and always late on my rent payments because jobs are hard to find these days. And we spend $ Billions in Iraq!. I guess, Clinton and McCain would like me to smile in my present situation. They're out of touch.
Posted by: Josh | April 15, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Sounds like Barak's gettin tired of tap-dancing around all his "misspoken", "boneheaded" "meant-to-say" remarks.
Too bad Obama. You're the one with the "gifted" silver tongue. Like wright, you have to own up to what uncontrolable dribble pours outta your mouth.
Posted by: Dr. Dave | April 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM
To A Taylor:
Obama won in Iowa.
Posted by: Tyler in Iowa | April 15, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Ralph-
Either you didn't read the transcript, or you lack the ability to read critically. In fact, this article states that Sen. Obama did not say what you claim he did. I suggest that you shed your opinion on what you think he said, and instead educate yourself by reading what he actually said. I think you'll be surprised with what you'll find.
Posted by: Michael | April 15, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Between the blue-collar trailer folk and Hillary McCain, Barack Obama is stuck between a rock and a snake. If he doesn't wear a tie, isn't polite, or seems angry, he'll be lumped with Al Sharpton and Rev. Wright and will scare white voters. If, on the other hand, he does dress and act respectfully and does speak intelligently and intelligibly, he's called an elitist who's out of touch.
The thing is, Hillary and John McCain can go have a shot and a beer at bars throughout Pennsylvania and the people cheer. But if Ed Rendell is right, Barack Obama wouldn't even be allowed in some of those bars if he didn't dress and act like a modern Sidney Poitier.
Posted by: David | April 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM
YEAH! the fact that Hillary will do whatever it takes to win, I will vote for Mccain if she steals the nomination.
Posted by: Aman | April 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Historically proven, all presidential candidates, either for the nomination or the election, are liars. They pander to the voters preceding the election. They make all sorts of promises that they know they cannot fulfill but make great sound bites. I recall the election of Jimmy Carter who promise the people deserves a president as good as the people. That immediately caused me great concern. The "people" are rarely educated on the true nature of the political issues. Remember the years of 20% interest rates under Jimmy Carter??? The naive voters truly believe the simple and optimistic solution to great problems facing the nation. Look at the history of the recent presidents: preceding the election they utter great solutions, e.g. balancing the budget, solve the social security funding issues, solve the health care issues, etc. You name it and they have a simple [15 second] sound bite solution. Have these problems been properly addressed?
Don't believe that Obama or Hillary will carry out their promises to the voters now. They will start blaming others. Liars, liars. These candidates take the voters as fools. Once in office, they will continue their smooth rhetorics but not come close in fulfilling their promises...
Posted by: Ray | April 15, 2008 at 11:44 AM
I'm done with the redneck tactic of Clinton and his supporters. They will spread their "rust" to the rest of the country.
It's time for Obama to form a new party.
Posted by: mtt | April 15, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Bitter=angry, hope=obama, any other modifications to the english language you would like to make in order to make yourself sound better? How about these, clinging=holding and guns and religion = jobs and values. Now we have small towners angry, but still holding on to their jobs and values, and not giving up hope. I think thats what I meant, yeah, thats it.
Posted by: Human | April 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM
I'm done with Clintons and their supporters.
They will lead this country to become a very BITTER,giant rust belt.
It's time for Obama and his followers to form a new party.
Posted by: mtt | April 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM
Obama actually has me wanting to vote for Hillary. I never would have thought it possible to make her look good but Obama has succeeded where noone else could.
I guess it's true one man can make a difference. Obama has singlehandedly destroyed the democratic party. This is republican heaven.
Posted by: reason | April 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM
The real malcontent in this picture is Obama.
Obama is bitter over all of the handicaps that life has dealt him, his mixed heritage that made him an outsider, his abandonment by his father, and later, by his mother.
This is the reason he chose an angry black woman as his wife, and an angry mixed race pastor as a mentor, so he will have an ear for his complaints, and a voice to air his issues with people who are not like him.
Posted by: Coonie in SC | April 15, 2008 at 11:58 AM
What happened to the man of better judgement? A person who has a private persona and public persona often slip up. Can't believe a word he says.
You want an administration worse than GW and Jimmy, vote for him and we all pay for it. Look at his followers, venom spewing hate mongers who can't carry on a decent exchange without being in the gutter.
Go McCain a man of will, character and priciple.
Posted by: Cerebral | April 15, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Quote: "Hillary has a 35-year record of standing up to special interests and delivering results."
Here we go again with the 35 years of experience thing. Thirty-five ago years puts her in the year that she graduated from law school. Yep she received lots of experience making coffee as a junior partner in a law firm. Get real, and check your facts. Don't believe everything that you read.
Posted by: billy | April 15, 2008 at 12:03 PM