Obama's one-point plan to lose the Wisconsin Democratic primary

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[HillaryIsMoreQualified]

I don't think Packers fans read the L.A. Times

(Good thing this is online then.)

[Gregory]

Barack is an excellent politician and has succesfully developed the strength of his base during his campaign to a point where it appears that he will overcome Hillary, who was considered to be the inevitable Democratic nominee.

The White House is a large organisation of senior advisors and administrators and will provide Barack with the necessary position papers and advice on issues so Barack won't be making decisions involving US national security alone.

The question tis whether he has the temperament of a previous Democratic President like JFK who historians say saved the world from potential catastrophe during the Cuban Missile crisis?

The jury of over 100 million people will make that decision in the Nov 08 general election.

[Marks]

Sure, some will vote for Hillary because Obama is wearing a Bears hat in Wisconsin.

That Bears logo on national TV means money for his campaign as well!

Most people say, be yourself! It's a reference that Obama has a home state and people from Wisconsin work in Illinois. Or did before. Former Illinois live somewhere in Wisconsin. It brightens their heart.

Some report said he's not traveling until Tuesday getting back to Hawaii on voting day. He'll be wearing a cheesehead getting off the plane in Honolulu.

Conversion to some Wisconsin values isn't done in a day! If he had a Packer hat on that's pandering.

[ROY MITCHELL]

HELLO...it's a CUBS hat !!!...last time I checked Wisconsin does not have a MLB team...

(Dear Roy--It's a BEARS hat. The Cubs hat is lighter blue. And you better check one more time. You might find the MILWAUKEE Brewers.)

[Mike Ryan]

I believe the media has been soft on Barack Obama and it will cost him if he is the nominee in the November general election, I also believe the conservatives are pumping him up so that they have an easier time with him in November.

The Democrats have an opportunity this November to win more seats in both houses, but if Barack Obama is the nominee he will lose big and so will the party.

He has not won a big Democratic state yet in these primaries and not one news outlet has brought that fact up to him.

[RW]

GO OBAMA! Mr. Obama is EXACTLY what this nation needs. Someone who actually UNDERSTANDS what it is he is presented with. Someone who does not find the military option sitting ON TOP of his bag of resolutions. One only need to listen to Mr. Obama to understand that he is the one we need at this time in our nations history. It should be outlawed for ANY IMMEDIATE MEMBER of a presidents family to run for president. It just STINKS of favors owed. And as for McCain, being a captive DOES NOT make one a hero... and being a hero DOES NOT qualify an individual to make decisions regarding the economy, ecology, and hyper-delicate international decisions that a president must make. Frankly, if it were not for his media attention on his captivity, he would have NEVER won the sympathies of Arizona to become their governor... a job that he failed at by the way. He is simply riding the wave of this media attention... his solutions are not there. he opts for continued military input to the TOTAL MESS that little bush created in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like bush, he does NOT ask questions as to WHY many want to attack us, but rather swallows the GOP tripe dished out that they "hate our freedom" ... a sure sign of someone who DOES NOT know what the h&ll is going on.

[luz]

So, in order for McCain to get female votes, should he sport a T-Shirt that says "I am woman, here me roar?"

[Cal]

But Clinton was supporting the Giants this year...the team that knocked the Pack out of the playoffs...I'd say it's a draw.

[Jason]

Hillary grew up in Chicago going to Cubs games. When she ran for Senator in New York, she was suddenly a Mets fan..She's probably a Packer fan this week.

[t.a. barnhart]

Andrew, he's already been up there joking about that, campaigning with Packers linebackerBrady Poppinga.

(So? What happened there? He got booed. Not a good sign at a political rally.)

[Justin]

Hillary was asked a few months ago if she was a Cubs fan, because she grew up on the north side of Chicago, or a Yankees fan, because she is now a Senator from NY. She never actually answered the question, instead sitting on the fence. That should cost votes. I think voters in Wisconsin will recognize that Obama says what he means and doesn't pander!

[DDP]

I don't think the majority of Packerfans can read let alone read the LA Times.

(Good one. Alas, by not spending time on books, the Packers finished ahead of da Bears this time. But then, oh my goodness, Sen. Clinton's Giants knocked them out of the playoffs. What a quagmire--vote for a Bears fan or a Giants fan. And on the Republican side you've got McCain, who likes the DBs, and Huckabee, who's a diehard Cardinals fan, and whomever Ron Paul cheers for, maybe the Astros. Good luck choosing, cheeseheads.)

[LA times=Idiots]

Uh, last time I checked people voted last time based upon voting preferences, not on the fact that a politician supports a specific professional sports team. Also, last night at a rally in GB, Obama got the endorsement of a Packers player, Brady Poppinga. Oh, and yeah people in WI can read people, guess what, in fact people in this state have some of the best schooling systems the country has to offer. We also have one of the best public universities in the nation.
Yeah, WI has a professional baseball team too. Milwaukee is in WI.
Man, like Obama said in GB...It is better to be upfront with the people that he is a Bears fan than simply run from the issues like Miss Clinton has the entire time.
This is a stupid article.

(As opposed to the brave person who left this msg without a real name.)

[Joey]

I'm sure Packers fans in WI will give Obama a break, because at least he's representing for his hometown team, and not nauseatingly trying to ingratiate himself to them by adorning himself with Packers gear, which would reek of falseness. Hillary would probably pull some shameless maneuver to ingratiate herself just like Rudy Giuliani (Yankees sell-out) wearing a Red Sox hat trying to pull Boston votes. She's probably down in Tejas right now wearing Cowboys or Longhorns gear.

[Ronald Loui]

OK, Mike Ryan, how about the state of Illinois? Big enough and Democratic enough and Obama enough for ya? I also think of Washington as a big Dem state, but what do I know.

I am completely in agreement with other people posting here. If a politician wears your local team's hat, what other hat is s/he willing to wear just to please the crowd? Sports team loyalty is the first place where US citizens agree to disagree agreeably. We respect the other for playing the game fairly, and for being a worthy opponent.

Sadly, not all people in this country, including those who seek to lead us, understand these basic propositions.

According to the Washington Post yesterday: Among well-informed voters in Missouri: Obama +36. Among voters not well informed in Missouri, Obama -20. A 56 point swing! But here's my guess: there's an even larger split among those who think games should be played fairly, and those who think cheating is OK, because the ends justify the means.

The Clinton way:

Gerald Ford stated to Thomas DeFrank that he played golf with Bill Clinton, and that Bill not only cheated but cheated on every hole!

[TIger]] Woods described a hole on the back nine."President Clinton rolls one in the bushes, then hits another one off the tee. ... It was 6-7 feet and he walked off the green. ...

Lt. Col. James “Buzz” Patterson slams in his White House memoir Dereliction of Duty, “My first inklings into the makeup and personality of Bill Clinton and those he surrounded himself with came during these golf outings…Even in these inconsequential golf games, he would cheat with ball placements and extra shots. The way he played golf, I came to understand, was not just a peccadillo but symptomatic of the way he approached life.”

[Ronald Loui]

I have, however, heard that Barack Obama has sharp elbows under the basketball net.

(How well-informed you are! And you may have read about it right here in The Ticket. He took on a Sports Illustrated writer for fun.)

[Elsa]

I used to be a republican, but after Bush & Iraq, I cast my absentee ballot for Obama. No, I did not do it solely based on emotions; I read about the man. It was a privilege to be at the rally in Oshkosh. You can not help but be impressed with this man: he is visionary & definitely inspirational. I heard his speeches on TV several times before, & decided this time to be an audience to a very impressive human being. Thank you, Barack.

[Joe Vanden Plas]

I'm a Packer fan and I read the LA Times, at least the online edition. I'm also voting for Obama on Tuesday.

(Well, you're welcome here. Now, if you were a Lions fan, that might be something else...)

[peter]

most of the teenagers believe Obama's ideas and change our country.. because Obama has a puerility thinking.and teenagers love Obama's puerility thinking
other side, senior citizen believe Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton because their experience telling them Hillary can be trust. one more what are we goin to change? Are goin to get worse because Obama's puerility thinking. Obama just talk n tells solution but we never know his solution can solve our problems. Bill Clinton president did well job for us during his 8 years president. he n his wife already solved so many problems for us during his president years.

[Cldp]

That's it? That's all you got? Oh please.

[Jim B]

Harold Ickes, a Clinton operative, said that Clinton will win due to the superdelegates and that it doesn't matter if Obama wins the popular vote. He is also reversing himself on the status of Michigan and Florida. As a member of the DNC he supported the decision to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates. Now as a Clinton operative he wants the delegates to go to Clinton even though there was no campaign in these state and Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. If the "party leaders" give the election to Clinton even though Obama has won the popular vote I will not vote or support any Democrat in any election for the next 40 years.

[Bill Couture]

O yes Packer fans do read the LA times. Blankity Blank Bears did it twice. Why it's enough to make bankrupt America McCain seems like someone other then Satins's latest attempt to destroy freedom and democracy. Oh well at least it isn't a NY cap.

Bill Couture

[spence]

What are we gonna do if we actually have a politician who shows a bit of loyalty and doesn't kiss our collective home town/market segment fanny? Obama had better run off and get that operation politicans have to surgically remove their soul. Otherwise, it's puerility thinking from here on out (is it just me, or do the comments of Hillary supporters always seem to read like they were written by a mid-nineties Eastern European spam program?).
P.S. Hillary doesn't support the Yankees. Hillary is the Yankees.
P.P.S. Wait, didn't Guiliani lose the nomination when he tried to pander over the Red Sox? Maybe we are growing up...

[elis]

obama has ran a great campiagn. i hope he atleast wins the nomination.

clinton really lacks a message. that is her central problem....she is at her best when bashing obama....not so convincing when selling clinton

[Steve Wimer]

Since Hillary and Obama have basically the same policies, this primary election winner will prove whether America is more sexist or racist. Personally, I like Hillary, because she knows the ropes. But Obama has style, soul, and strength. I would be happy with either one as the President.

[Tony S.]

I'm an Angels fan as I grew up in LA, but I lived in Michigan so I too root for the Tigers/Lions/Red Wings. Now I live in the DC area so I also root for the Nationals/Capitals, etc. The point being just because Hillary roots for both the Cubs and New York teams, she is doing nothing more than what the rest of us do who need to move...we adapt to the region. If Arkansas had pro teams, I would expect that she would root for them too. After all, its not like I moved to San Fransisco and need to root for the Giants/A's!!

[Vectorpedia (Rick)]

Obama is on track to win.......too bad he isn't a Steeler fan

[Hector]

Folks, it's an old picture, from the 2006 Monday Night Football season... Remember when Obama did the intro, playing off the idea that he hadn't declared yet?

It's our blogger's idea of a joke. And YOU ALL FELL FOR IT!.

[rc]

...Wisconsin does not have a MLB team...
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Posted by: ROY MITCHELL | February 16, 2008 at 05:47 AM

Mr Mitchell:
i am a Native Illinoisian
Wisc DOES have an MLB
Da Brewers, a Bud (steroid) Selig creation

Later

rc in Sacramento who is an Independent who voted for Obama on Feb 5 (08)...

[roy mitchell is an idiot]

Dear Roy. You are sorely mistaken. 1) that is not a Cubs hat, that is a Chicago Bears hat. 2) Wisconsin has an MLB Team. It is called the Milwaukee Brewers.

[Ray from OH]

Who cares?

McCain on the other hand has bigger worries. A group seems to be forming that doubts his Vietnam War hero status and calls him a traitor and a liar:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1999-03-25/news/is-john-mccain-a-war-hero/

[John]

Congrats on getting readers to engage in and discuss the stupidest subject imaginable. And these same people are questioning the intelligence of people from Wisconsin?!

[Scott in chi]

OBAMA HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT FROM THIS

(Because Packers fans cant read)

[Andrew]

Whoever is leaving these comments in () doesn't quite know the facts too well. In fact Obama was not booed at a rally with Brady Poppinga, good try to defend your article though.

[Gregory]

I am not sure whether people realise that it is about 35 years ago that John McCain returned to America from Vietnam and was met by President Nixon. I dont know why his role in that war still has relevance apart from the fact that he has a good relationship with the military establishment.

The role that the President plays is highlighted by the foreign policy agenda during the term served by the President. Most of the recent Presidents are remembered in terms of their foreign policies and missions. Since 1940 some of the highlights have been:

*Roosevelt in World War 2.
*Kennedy in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
*Johnson and Nixon in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.
*Reagan in the period of the collapse of the Soviet Union *Clinton in Yugoslavia.
* GHW Bush in the Iraq invasion of Kuwait and their subsequent expulsion.
*GW Bush in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

If the future resembles the past we have to reason by induction that regardless of whether McCain or Obama/Clinton become President there will be a foreign policy highlight and the question is what will it be in this term?

Will it be Obama in Afghanistan/Pakistan or McCain in Iran or will it be something we did not expect?

[Sam Dunn]

I was worried there for a minute, thinking this might be important. So glad I was wrong.

P.S. My husband is a Packers fan who reads the Times, and he even understands it. (Most of the time.)

[Andrew]

Wow...will people here get a sense of humor.

[Jon S]

Maybe it's a University of Chicago cap. You know they've got a roaring football team!

[Leslie]

JFK saved the world in the Cuban Missile Crisis? I lived through that. It has now been established by historians that: Krushchev saved the world from JFK's inexperience by backing off, realizine that JFK didn't know what he was doing; and, JFK lied to the American people that he had not agreed to remove US missiles from Turkey (which he had secretky done). Let';s remember history - JFK was a mess of a president!!!

[Bears Sux]

Not to worry, the Bears still suck, so who really actually cares?????? Good job in the playoffs this year chicago, oh yeah, that's right................

[Steve]

"If the "party leaders" give the election to Clinton even though Obama has won the popular vote I will not vote or support any Democrat in any election for the next 40 years."

Obama would smack you silly for such a dumb remark.

Anyone that would vote for another Bush clone like McCain just in spite is an ignorant voter with no knowledge of politics.

[mwlvl]

A mailer that Obama is circulating in Ohio falsely says that Clinton thinks the North American Free Trade Agreement “has been a boon to the economy.” Well Obama is up to dirty trick again!!!

[chrisk]

who remembers that picture? It was months ago.

[Vasily]

I think its pretty funny:) Lighten up lads

[packerfan]

As a Wisconsinite, let me clear up some of the confusion that presents itself within this blog. First, Wisconsin has a MLB team, the Brewers. Second, the hat Obama is wearing is a Bears hat. Third, to think that people from Wisconsin base their vote for president on what sports team the candidate backs, demonstrates the ignorance of people living on the coast. We want someone that is straight forward and honest. What most of us abhor are superficial, shallow, self absorbed people/candidates with a false sense of self importance. Paris for governor of the state of California in 2010!!!!

[Scott Loeffler]

It seems that Clinton supporters don't have any substantial reason to dislike Obama ( after all his program only differs from Clinton's in the small print, he's a better speaker and he appeals to a wider base) so they make up silly things to convince themsleves (and they hope others) why he shouldn't be president. Luckily, mosty people can see through this sad state of affairs.

[mike in madison, wi]

i suspect the :wisconsin doesn't have a mlb team" was a joke....in the same family as: why doesn't milwaukee have a pro football team? because then green bay would want one too. har har.

as a voter i am much more comfortable with someone who is loyal to anything in face of potential criticism. it shows some values and backbone. good qualities in anyone much less a leader. like the song says, "if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."

hillary is too much of a social chameleon for me to trust. i mean, she's a senator from new york because......her home state is new york? she was a resisdent of new york? she......i'm sorry, why???

[roy mitchell]

HELLLO! THATS NOT EVEN OBAMA! ITS MORGAN FREEMAN!

[Jim Butler]

Two rather simple equations

Hillary = cub fan
cubs = losers
Therefore Hillary loses

Obama= White Sox fan
White Sox = recent WS champions
Therefore Obama wins

[Janet Reno]

Obama’s efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten’s of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/17/eveningnews/main636644.shtml

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq’s Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin “Tony” Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

Obama should be vetted and disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges — Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to shove an introduction to this fake rip-off Obama and invite the thief pipsqueke to meet the Waukesheake Police Department.