Rove candidly analyzes Clinton vs. Nobody in Michigan

Maybe he never really went away after he left the White House last summer, but Karl Rove is back and offered his usual, uh, candid thoughts as an experienced political strategist on the Michigan Democratic primary vote to the winter meeting of the Republican National Committee in Washington.

You may recall that all the major Democratic contenders withdrew from this week's Michigan primary, which was being penalized by the party for advancing its vote too early. All except Hillary Clinton, Sen. Chris Dodd and former Sen. Mike Gravel. They didn't campaign there but did leave their names on the ballot.

Not surprisingly, Clinton won. But Rove took another angle to view the figures. "Fifty-five percent of the people turned out and voted for her," Rove noted. "She got 328,151 votes. But 236,723 people turned out for the Democratic primary to vote for 'Uncommitted.'

"Think about that. If you run against Nobody, and Nobody gets 40% of the vote. The other 5% of the vote went for three other people -- 27,924 votes went for the guy who believes in UFOs, the guy ....

who dropped out and the guy who last held office somewhere around 1855.

"That's a pretty remarkable testament to the deep concerns the Democrats have about Sen. Clinton when she can't barely beat Nobody else."

Actually, it's a valid and potentially ominous sign for Clinton in upcoming votes such as South Carolina with its heavy African American vote. According to CNN exit polls in Michigan, about 70% of black voters -- a quarter of that state's electorate -- did not vote for Clinton -- they chose "Uncommitted. And hers was the only major contender's name left on the ballot.

The same exit surveys showed that had Barack Obama's name been on the ballot, he would have captured an overpowering 73% of the black vote compared to 22% who said they'd have gone for Clinton under those circumstances.

--Andrew Malcolm

Comments

[ClearMind]

Look, guys! The republicans are promotng Obama, obviously! They know he is as little as nobody for them to wipe out in a general election. The republicans even came to vote for him in the Iowa caucuses to put him ahead of Hillary who they know will beat any Republican nominee.

Also look at this clearly. Obama is a black dude who is kown violent and compative, but often complain about racism against blacks. No white rivals dare to attack him because that would make him or her look too tough on their slaves. That does not play well with ordinary people. So Hillary has to play nice with Obama and that is why Obama's campaign has come to this close.

These are the two fundmental reasons Obama became a so called "viable" candidate for the nominee. Everybody knows he won't stand a chance for the general election - he is not qualified for the job!

[Ron]

The people in Iowa had watched the canidates more closely over longer period of time than

did New hampshire voters largely did. Those in Iowa do not have the luxury of well lets see

what happens in the last contest and we'll see what the media says and then we will set them

both straight. Largely a last minute emotional decision on top of this idea that we already

know the facts here in NH. Well that made them easy targets for misinformation and I was

there; loads were abound. Plus as plenty of pundits have long recognized Bills spinning

abilities. Clintons worked their old party influence and in true Rovian and dare I say less

than Nixonian fashion. And as I saw all detracted from Obama's numbers. First of all Edwards

and Kucinich pulled on the local issues with nuclear power. I would cite Obama failing to

explain the enormous importance of energy as ground zero in economics, geo-political,

climate change issues of agriculture, sea level and its implications, terrorism and

blackmail just to get started. Wall Street and hordes of cash for venture capital investment

is waiting for the green light of the Obama or Romney unleashing of political will to move

on this. And smart money strongly favours Obama for the domestic and international will as

back drop. This is key to jobs and balancing trade deficits by needing less imports

domesticly and helping provide 22nd yes 22nd century technology to the world. Back to

misinformation. Word was Obama was right to life by some logic and that does not work in

Democratic party. Somehow polls were skewed and some independant Obama supporters voted for

McCain for instance because they thought he was so out in front. Saturday nights debate was

spun as Obama Edwards pile on to H Clinton though more realisticly the two are more in

agreement about Washington politcs of old and each are through with that. On that point

Edwards angry appeal is not Presidential puts people on the defensive and is covered better

by Obama even and especially with his broader non-partisan style and visionary perspectives

dometicly and especialy internationaly. Again in retrospect cite Obama with his gaurd down

in light of Iowa and polls in NH at time with his less than sincere though I would say

justified comment about Hillary being likeable enough. HC machine had her primed as well for

that one as she exclaimed it hurt her feelings. With polls being in favour of Obama the

female and female sympathy card she had alredy been spinning in Iowa like the old women she

met who told her they just want to see a female President before they die and the this is

personal to me and I just do not want to see this country going backwards line, look out

female sympathy here we come. As youll see she has got away with that one. I have never

heard the I am a 49 year old white male and it would do my heart good to see such a

qualified Black man become the president by the Obama camp. I would willingly supply the

line. Or old white women for that matter would do my heart even better. Gosh are their any

Black men or women who dare enter in here. Are their hearts and minds really free or do they

owe some debt to the Dem Party and it's heirs. Here comes the real pile on that brought

Hillary to 'tears" first national poll scince mid december and the the Iowa caucus 4 days

earlier had HC down 8 points whereas mid december she was up by 20. All weekend Bill had

been suggesting that there was not enough time scince Iowa to get past the emotional aspect

and have NH able to discearn better judgement than Iowa. He may have been spinning for the

potential loss or he was playing on emotion and his apparently intimate understanding of

emotion and timing thereof either way he finally got something right. Sympathy came out in

droves and as pre-prompted enough said. Now remember the eroneous info about Obama being

right to life. Get a load of this. Right to life demonstrators show up day before the

primary at Obama stump speach.Why Obama? Frontrunner maybe but perhaps they just prefer

Hillary? Stage set ready. As a well informed (not really) NH resident I pick up my morning

loyal and trusty NH Democratic party newspaper from in front of my door and hurry off to

work. After all so much to do today and can't let our gaurd down getting behind cause of the

enourmous efforts withstood and in testament to the responsibility of the patriotic

stewardship NH residents take on for America. Shake paper from its plastic wrap between

gears and get my peak. Front page did not miss the three front runners. There they were even

in order from the top. You can already guess the catch words you need for the day just a

day. On top "Hillary Tears", next moving down "Obama Protestors", and below "Edwards

Breezes... Whirlwind Tour" . Well I guess it wasn't that guys fault. Ah but that Obama they

said he'd cause contreversy, poor Hillary. So Obama is contraversial and devisive to the

Democratic Party because he is pro-choice? You could have turned to page 4 to see what all

the fuss was about Pro-Choice demonstrators and realized by that logic all democrats would

be as contraversial. Or gee the key words Right to Life could have been used to describe the

"Protestors" and you'd not need open the paper. But that was contraversial to suggest Obama

the canidate to be stopped by the Right Wing Conservatives and well poor Hillary would have

its reasons. Conjecture on one hand sure but the pattern continues. She got away with the

female sympathy card and capitalized on it in NH for sure. So we in Nevada have the local

issue of Yucca Mountain and Edwards pulls there if it's an anti-Hillary vote one for her

nonetheless as it was in NH. Hold that local for the moment. South Carolina brings into

contention first state with large black electorate. This is HUGE going foward. 'Well look

out Barack good people of colour (my intent is to be PC with terminology?) who are indebted to

the Dem Party who with freedom of their bodies and civil rights know that without the hand

of a bueracrat to push a pen they may never be free in thier hearts and minds. And like LBJ

that be me HC' I have never been so outraged in my life. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! These are the

most recklous demeaning, derogatory, defaming and insideous slanderings to Americans at

large, MLKjr, the Kennedy's and most intentionaly towards Barack Obama. Who if did not

embody and exude the obvious exemplars traits would not be called by the lessor to such

rigors and clearly standards Americans have not seen or expected in a long while. While

pulling rank and file at stupendously low levels. Woe baby woe! Like the female sympathy

crap she got away with this is the big SC hinge pin being pulled on America and hopefull and

smart people are watching this intently abroad and it don't look pretty from there either.

They hope and count on Americans no matter how it's sliced. Back to Nevada and the final

solution to enslaving a nation. Why don,t we next indebt and hold hostage hearts and minds

of the Latino- Hispanic do we call them a voting block and next biggest hinge . I have

found the pushing up of dates of the state primarys a bit curious. Hollywood writers strike

adds more. And well dare I go on with recent events affecting this process that favour lets

say some population segments and or type of canidate. Established party name canidates have

certain advantages typically with getting union endorsements. Well stage was set to make it

easier for workers in Las Vegas to have a chance to caucus there. Largest union on the

strip largely well you know Latino- Hispanic workers of the Culinary Union. Day Obama got

that endorsement law suit was filed to not allow the remote sites on the Las Vegas strip

agreed many months before by the Dem Party. Suit was filed by parties connected on the HC

side. Bill was eager to speak in favour of the suit. I do not know where is the Clinton

shame cause I sure feel it. History and habits I guess I know not pretty. The judge in case

somehow in light of all this darkness came to serve pride in justice. I can't believe that

has to stand out as something noble. You can go back to JFK and foward to today looking at

the presidents and if truly objective and informed you'd see from the classicly Reublican or

Democratic view the great ones fell short and the lessor ones had noble achievements as

well. What Carl Rove knew before anyone else and few can say today is that the beloved of

Dems for sure Bill Clinton fell indeed and the failures enourmous. Like back to Nixon and

opening door to China and like Clean Water act. Reagan ran with 'Will the USSR survive

untill 1984' theme and clinched that fruition. Sure we had run a huge deficet but USA

survived and USSR not as the point. But then again like constant dividends from arms race

spending on technological R&D filters into and fueled public sector economics. 'Star Wars

Missle Defense Shield' great ruse to intimidate USSR on one hand but we did quite a bit in

the effort not unlike the go to the moon efforts. Yes JFK and Reagan two of a kind on one

hand yet while I'll never forget at 5 years old what it felt like when JFK was shot, which

was the feeling of Hope had died. Reagan scared me quite to death. I'm not sure if some of

the younger now can relate to the overiding and overwhelming backdrop of nuclear war but i

guess its how it was for many and perhaps it should be still. Being fearful was a bit

inescapable cause JFK did represent global hope in light of the cold war and when hope was

gone we felt it was ok to at least hope for hope and that came and went in RFK. MLKjrs demise

made the suggestion not to go there again and as such the nail in the coffin of hope. But

Reagan began the begetting of the 'Radical Islamists' for we gave a damn not when the enemy

of our friends were gone so were our friends and really we could have been heroes forever.

Perhaps some day. Maybe I'll skip the Bushes and LBJ. You can however if you try maybe not.

It is maybe worth noteing the continuity in administration from LBJ to the Bush-Cheney if

you look at Defense, Intelligence, International Affairs and Military Industrial Complex.

Yeah I'll not go further there now. Bill Clinton failed USA and in chain global affairs big

time. Was it Lewinsky-Gate a 24 yr old women who took our president and set the course of

fear today? Well OK the lovey stuff first if I havn't lost you Dems already (BTW I've been

one and with Obama I stay). Deficet to surplus,yeah for the middle class and hope for that

great society again. Remember all that R&D in Star Wars and the like well we got to keep it

all and nolonger needed the massive amounts of actual military hardware assets well Bill

capitalized on one of the greatest windfalls of economic development and momentum ever. And

we no longer needed it for the military so we balaced the budget and grew the private sector

at same time. Knowing Bill now he was smart enough on one hand perhaps to see it coming and

who to blame it for not. Maybe Rove actually learned something there who knows. Someone

ought to sit Bill and Carl down for a tell all, ah maybe not. Well anyone of young adult or

more of age who lived through the 70's or would should be like a president remembers that

ever scince the Arab Oil Embargo of the 70's and well had the GOLDEN opportunity of the

Clinton era economic windfall should have rolled out yes you've got it that yes 22nd yes

that damn 22nd century ENERGY ENERGY ENERGY PLAN! We forgot? Well for what the Clinton name?

Well I was not the pres and for the most part I too was enamored by such. And I can say now

what I thought then but now I see it in flashing lights. There was the backdrop of the nail

in the coffin of hope with great leaders who never help us get to freedom of our hearts and

minds anyway. And the habit and malaise of what can we do for ourselfs when for our greater

good greater powers that be manage the survival of our existance. Oh well Gary Hart we

suspected would be a good thing that was not supposed to be good for us anyway. Disappeared

as quick as he came when it was apparent he had at least had a girlfriend. Oh yeah well

beloved Bill alive and well and actually proven right. Well did we get that out of our

system I hope someones personal private affairs and its relation to the price of rice in

China? Which is more likely to be higher by this account by now as is ah cost of Energy and

everything else we inflated for running the test foward of the not renewable sustainable

basis of the economy we have now! So Bill lied its believed and was a consitutional failure

at the top but not enough will or insight to enact the impeachment. Ford Pardoning Nixon was

not popular at the time but it seems now as best way for country to move foward. And well

Bill maybe should have been thrown out for becoming the lame goose. Or we could have not

made a big deal in the first place or Bill should have realized the potential and had more

reverance for his honor and responsibilities. But when push came to shove he could have

empowered Gore and the 22nd century plan and stepped down. Rove got this, Bill, Hillary and

ceertainly Gore. Clinton Gore begot infighting, Bill Hillary I told ya so I am better than

you and we will see and Rove begot Bush- Cheney and we begot global failure and let down and

fear and resentment. Now GB is setting the stage for what and how far behind are we now?

Great leaders time ebs and flows but will never pave your streets with gold. But if we

expeect to meet the future we face now free your heart and mind and put it into the Barack

Obama movement of real Hope for more than real challanges. Peace Ron 49 wm NY for Real

Leadership! and Obama supporter

[Ron]

He's a real nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.

Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere Man, please listen,
You don't know what you're missing,
Nowhere Man, the world is at your command.

Remember the Beatle's song Nowhere Man? John Lennon wrote it about himself for Rubber Soul. Others in the band had been worrying bout him. I IMAGINE he was believing in himself, you and me in the face of that doubt. No doubt there is plenty of belief now. How bout some for you and me... Obama Now!