Green Car of the Year 2008, allegedly
So let's take a few bets on which vehicle was just named Green Car of the Year 2008 at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The fabulous new Honda FCX Clarity fuel-cell vehicle, whose only emission is water? The 35-mpg, super-clean Mercedes-Benz E340 Bluetec, the first California-compliant diesel in years? The sensible, space-conscious Smart Fortwo? Maybe just the good old Toyota Prius? Or something that guzzles gas at the rate of 21 mpg?
Prepare to slap palm against forehead while experiencing a brand-new hybrid of tearful sadness and nauseous incredulity. Ladeeez and genullmen, the Chevrolet Tahoe hybrid.
Oh, sure, it has a 6.0-liter V-8 engine and can seat as many as eight. It can carry as much as 1,400 pounds of cargo and tow 6,200 pounds. It's 50% more frugal than a standard 5.3-liter V-8-powered Tahoe. But is 50% better than profligate really worth such an accolade?
Who could make this mistake -- sorry, award? Try Green Car Journal, Jay Leno, Carroll Shelby and the executive director of the Sierra Club, among others. To render the sight even more surreal, Arnold Schwarzenegger arrived to check out all the more eco-friendly cars on display. For those who might've looked closely, they could probably see a palm print on the Gov.'s forehead too.
-- Colin Ryan

These models should be illegal - all of them. Why is Uncle Sucker allowing SUVs to be built? Oh wait - GWB's relationship with the Saudis, that's why.
Posted by: Tim Boelke | November 15, 2007 at 01:32 PM
Thanks, Colin, for calling a spade a spade and pointing out the "emperor's new clothes" syndrome in this ridiculous farce. To call a still gas-guzzling, slightly less smog-belching, rubber chewing SUV "the greenest car of the year" is downright oxymoronic (and moronic too). The Sierra Club should hang its collective head in shame.
Posted by: Roger | November 15, 2007 at 01:46 PM
I am no environmentalist nor do I have an opinion on Bush's policies, but this isn't a green car. Sadly, marketing buffoon is going to take this and run with it, convincing the ignorant that it is indeed "green."
Posted by: #4 | November 15, 2007 at 05:12 PM
With the huge carbon footprint needed to produce a behemoth that guzzle gas at 21 mpg, how could it be good for the earth? Oh but it seat 8 persons you would say. Look around on the freeway and see the average occupancy rate of those SUV for a reality check.
But it sure will be good for the status quo. Giving peep the excuse they need to keep on driving these monsters.
Posted by: Tuan | November 15, 2007 at 06:01 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Posted by: Randall Unruh | November 15, 2007 at 07:23 PM
Wonderful bashing of the Tahoe hybrid...great stuff. Except that the Tahoe hybrid will save more gas each year than three Prius. And did you really bring up the Fuel Cell? Honda's had that FCX for three years. You'll be waiting 10 more minimum to buy one.
But right, right...why doesn't everyone drive smaller cars to begin with. Better yet, Angelenos, how about you (gasp) live closer to where you work or (double gasp) consider building a train system that folks might use. Or just keep resenting SUV drivers, because that has really helped clean up the smog around here.
Oh...and me? I drive a Civic GX aka, the cleanest car in America. It's cleaner than your car by a long shot in every ridiculous measurement you'd like to look up. Holla back. Someone else might find a Tahoe hybrid useful and save a ton of gas. I say, it's a step. A kinda big step, really. And...the average person can actually buy one in the near future...unlike a Mercedes Bluetec or a freakin' fuel cell.
Posted by: James | November 15, 2007 at 10:41 PM
US life is so invested with lies brought to you by the big media....one more lie is not going to make a difference.
BTW the car shown is clearly red.
Posted by: Sledgehammer | November 16, 2007 at 12:34 AM
While a hybrid large SUV is not going to save the world, there is still a market for them. Most people in the market for a large SUV are not even going to consider a Prius or other smaller car. They are going to consider fuel mileage in their decision and if they choose a 21 mpg Tahoe over an 11 mpg Excursion that is a start. Face the truth, Large SUV's and trucks are not going away in this country any time soon and any attempt to reduce their fuel consumption is welcome.
Posted by: Tom | November 16, 2007 at 06:36 AM
american car makers just dont get it. you can see why the imports are kicking our butts. where would you need an 8 passenger vehicle, and how often would you drive it ,or afford to drive it ? most families are 3 to 4 people, and would be better off with a smaller more economical suv. seems to me that the big three need to make a survey to see what the masses really are looking for in a car,truck,or suv. i have not bought an american car since 1990, why ? reason: 1 ) too many problem recalls, indicating lack of workmanship,quality of products used in assembly, 2) not dependable, 3) i dont think the car makers back their warranties as they should. 4)perception : american cars are not made to last past 100,000 miles. a green car needs to be made to : provide great mpg, 2) enviromentally friendly, 3) decently price, 4) dependalble, 5) last more than 100,000. 6) since most of us work on a daily basis, and normally carry 1 or 2 people to work, this is where you would need a green car. my .02c frank
Posted by: frank | November 16, 2007 at 06:48 AM
Calling this "green" is just a travesty. If they had a "somewhat less awful" award, that might be better.
It isn't government, it isn't "Detroit." Until the American people realize that they can't drive these behemoths without fueling the nasty people who sell us oil or causing environmental mayhem, there's no hope.
Posted by: George Bishopric | November 16, 2007 at 06:51 AM
Guys, I hate to say it, but your approach is why you'll never see real change . . . Illegal? Why? Are you absolutely positive that you know what is best for everyone? With insane arguments like yours, no one will ever take you seriously. I assume that all towing should be outlawed, the RV business should be gone, private boating dead, all passenger vehicles that seat more than four people will require internal cameras that live stream to "big brother" to prove 100% usage of all seating. Oh, that's right, "big brother" can totally be trusted when it fits your agenda. I'll never understand why the end game is forgotten when seemingly rational people discuss these topics. Mind boggling.
I am heading out to use my daily ration of carbon, I sure hope it gets the kids to school and me to work . . . If it doesn't I guess I'll have to go down to the state agency to apply for a state grant to buy a new state approved "green" vehicle appropriately sized for my 2.2 kids and one bag of state approved low fat groceries . . . If you don't see it, you are truly blinded by your passion.
Posted by: Kevin | November 16, 2007 at 07:21 AM
The panel on Thursday praised the Tahoe as the industry's first application of hybrid technology in a full-size SUV. Of course, the competition was a bit diluted since previous winners like Toyota's Camry and Prius weren't eligible to repeat.
Still, Ron Cogan, editor of Green Car Journal, hailed the newfangled SUV as a game changer in a game that desperately needed changing.
"The importance of GM's accomplishment can't be overstated," he said. "With larger vehicles generally comes poorer fuel economy because of greater size and curb weight. An equalizer has been needed, and the two-mode hybrid system in the Tahoe is clearly that equalizer."
The Environmental Protection Agency says that the Tahoe hybrid achieves a 50% improvement in fuel economy vs. its 5.3 liter V-8 counterpart. The hybrid version gets 21 miles per gallon in the city, which is comparable to the Toyota Camry sedan.
Other nominees included GM's Chevy Malibu Hybrid and Saturn Aura Hybrid, as well as the Mazda Tribute Hybrid and Nissan Altima Hybrid.
Posted by: Marc | November 16, 2007 at 08:09 AM
Trucks and truck-based SUVs are going to continue to be bought by the public and there are millions of people still eager to buy them. So it makes sense to add hybrid powertrain options to trucks. If GM's new two-mode hybrid powertrain is successful, it will proliferate and eventually cost little more than a conventional drivetrain. That should cheer greenies. Moving the city fuel economy for an 8 passenger SUV from 12 to 21 mpg is a large reduction in fuel consumption for an SUV driver in a congested place like Los Angeles. If you applied this to annual truck sales which run in the millions, the green impact would easily exceed that of selling a couple hundred thousand Prius.
And by the way, the carbon released by a typical truck's production is not substantially different from producing a Prius, Honda or Ford hybrid. It's in fact in some cases less. Honda's hydrogen car is a nice project, but it can't be considered the greenest car because it can't be bought, nor can it be offered in large quantities. GMs two-mode hybrid will find its way into cars, but also works with heavier-duty vehicles. It's production can be expanded, and vehicles with it are used with the conventional fuel infrastructure. It's not a pipe dream. I don't know whether another car should have won the award, but greens who criticize GM for building two-mode into trucks are only undermining their own credibility. For reducing the consequence of existing consumer preference, two-mode in trucks is a home run.
Posted by: Phil | November 16, 2007 at 08:51 AM
Puh-lease. You anti-American, anti-capitalist, global-warming stooges suffer from a case of group think so outrageous that you make the Nazis look independent and forward thinking.
Should the FCX Clarity have won? Clearly. But the new Tahoe hybrid represents a revolutionary step for Detroit, where the car industry ain't exactly long on ideas.
You ever heard the addage that you draw more flies with honey? Clearly not, as all you enviro-wackos can do is shovel hatred and anger and disdain. I don't know what laxative loosens your wit, but believe me, if you encouraged American consumers and the idiots in Detroit to go green the way you bleeding hearts want to encourage delinquent schoolkids and felonious thugs to become socialized, perhaps you'd be more successful.
Comments like those in this blog and most of those attached to it seem almost designed to annoy thinking people into buying a Hummer just to tell you people off.
Posted by: Todd | November 16, 2007 at 08:57 AM
This is so ridiculous. GREEN CAR? Are you kidding me? Do you take me for a complete idiot? How about some serious questioning, LA times. This truck still gets horrible mileage and is an affront to consumers' intelligence.
This is definitely a case of 'the emperor's new clothes.' I will call the Sierra Club or whoever gave this a 'green' rating out on it. Incredible. Simply incredible that just because they stick a hybrid engine in it and slightly increase its mileage makes is 'Green'. In fact the term 'green' is so grossly misleading. This thing is BROWN, as in it contributes heavily to our BROWN CLOUD that is collectively killing us. How about drawing attention to some real innovations, and the shift to smaller vehicles. Anyone who drives around the city in one of these will one day have to explain to his/her children and grandchildren why the ocean's rose and our planet fried... "Why didn't you make a better choice, daddy?"
Posted by: Adam | November 16, 2007 at 10:51 AM
First off, gotta correct the math here. The Yukon hybrid will NOT get an overall 50% boost in fuel economy. The regular Yukon gets 16, so 21 is around a 30% boost (which, I have to give GM credit, is above the 25% they were predicting, though certainly not a breakthrough increase--the 50% is the city driving stat, not combined).
I personally don't think the problem with the Yukon is in the fact that they're trying to make larger vehicles more fuel efficient through hybrid technology--everyone has different needs. What makes the Yukon a wasted opportunity is the fact that it is a muscle hybrid. Note there that you said that the standard Yukon has a 5.3 liter engine. Then you noted that the hybrid version has a LARGER 6.0 liter.
The great thing about hybrid techonology is the fact you can DOWNSIZE then gas engine, and have the electric motor compensate. So where's the V8 replaced with a turbocharged V6 engine (something Ford is doing more of) then attached to the dual mode system? Where's the smaller 4.8 liter engine, or something even more downsized? Nowhere. Where's just going with the 5.3 liter? Nowhere. Instead, you strap some great technology to an even thirstier engine, which robs large SUV consumers of something they could have gotten--a large SUV with standard sedan-level fuel economy.
That would have been an American Revolution--what we got was business as usual.
I think things would have been very different, and will be in the future, when the California clean car standards and the 35 miles per gallon CAFE standards on the Energy Bill are officially in place. Automakers like GM will actually put their technologies toward delivering real fuel efficiency in every class and size.
Posted by: ScottN | November 16, 2007 at 12:30 PM
I for one do not call any SUV "GREEN".
The only one who is green, is me! Green with envy because I cannot fit in a parking space because some SUV takes a space-and-a-half to park that monster.
Ive yet to see a SUV packed with mom-dad and 6 kids! Most are driven by single people with no kids. Driven by the desire to fit in because everyone ELSE is driving them.
Posted by: John | November 16, 2007 at 01:09 PM
I just bought a Toyota tundra with a 5.7 liter V8 and I'm going to guzzle, belch and snort 0 to 60 in 6 seconds all day long!
Posted by: Big E | November 16, 2007 at 01:27 PM
This is an ideal vehicle for SOME people.
I own a Prius, and a Land Rover. The Land Rover takes FIVE of us places that the Prius never will, but the Prius gets most of the driving (2003, with 87,000 miles on it!) The Land Rover averages 19mpg, the Prius averages 41.
I'd need TWO Priuses to haul the "gang of five" (two of whom are over 6'3" tall!)....so the fuel cost would be about the same as driving ONE Land Rover.
Carpoolers, large families, those of us who live ON a mountainside (not in California) where winters are severe -- a hybrid SUV would meet many needs.
Folks, lets do the best WE can - and spend our "critizing time" on issues WE can solve within our households. The filthy air outside my home isn't helped by coal-fired electricity generation. There's an issue we should all be working on.
Posted by: Kris | November 16, 2007 at 01:29 PM
Idea how about we start getting less dependant on foreign oil and drill in our own country... and do what brazil has done and end our dependance. Give us another 5-10 years for all these technologies and infrastructure to get there.
Posted by: matt | November 16, 2007 at 02:48 PM
Todd's labeling our apparent agreement on the SUV/green oxymoron "groupthink" as "anti-American, anti-capitalist" is akin to calling anybody questioning American policies as "anti-patriotic."
Look, Todd, caring about the environment and thinking for more than 1 milisecond about the choices we make in our daily lives to make the planet a little cleaner is NOT a political issue -- it's just that it seems that only the left-leaning politicians seem to give it any attention (except in maybe California). As far as you thinking we who care about the environment anti-capitalist, I could care less if every one of the Big 3 carmakers gets insanely profitable by using reason and sense and producing environmentally sane cars that, obviously, Americans want.
To Todd, being American means being as stupid, wasteful and selfish as we can. I'd hope for a little more from the supposed "beacon on the hill."
Posted by: Bill | November 16, 2007 at 02:54 PM
I own a new Nisson Frontier 4 wheel drive and go 4 wheeling knocking over trees and making creeks mudholes and love doing it..yipeee drive them hard...
Posted by: walksalone | November 16, 2007 at 03:36 PM
i'm a proud gas guzzler and envirnomentlist. We all need to stop this knee jerk reaction and examine the numbers. Please compare how much gas will be saved by the tahoe compare to the prius or any other hybrid. This whole hydrid thing is another marketing campaign. Who and where are we going to dispose of the toxic batteries in 5 to 10 yrs. Are they going tom be dummped in a land filled and comtaminated my drinking water? Just a few questions
Posted by: enzro | November 16, 2007 at 05:11 PM
Folks lets try to bring this debate back to reality. The whole point of hybrid cars is to clean up the environment and start transitioning people into a green lifestyle. Like it or not people drive SUV's. Just like at one point they drove massive sedans or station wagons. SO many people are going to buy this car that it will make it possible to get hybrids accepted whether you live in a red state or a blue state.
This SUV is going to make the regular SUV obsolete in a few years. I drive a Nissan Altima Hybrid because it is pretty green but also because it performs much like a sports car and accelerates on a dime. Once everyday people are conditioned to hybrids they will be more accepting of fuel cells, natural gas cars, hydrogen, etc.
Don't hate - congratulate!
Posted by: Altima -Hybrid owner | November 16, 2007 at 09:11 PM
Folks lets try to bring this debate back to reality. The whole point of hybrid cars is to clean up the environment and start transitioning people into a green lifestyle. Like it or not people drive SUV's. Just like at one point they drove massive sedans or station wagons. SO many people are going to buy this car that it will make it possible to get hybrids accepted whether you live in a red state or a blue state.
This SUV is going to make the regular SUV obsolete in a few years. I drive a Nissan Altima Hybrid because it is pretty green but also because it performs much like a sports car and accelerates on a dime. Once everyday people are conditioned to hybrids they will be more accepting of fuel cells, natural gas cars, hydrogen, etc.
Don't hate - congratulate!
Posted by: Altima -Hybrid owner | November 16, 2007 at 09:13 PM
Haha the media bias against domestic manufacturers never ceases to amaze me. The old argument was how much fuel SUVs consumed, specifically the big American SUVs. Aside from the fact that foreign manufactureres followed by producing bigger SUVs and not much was said, now GM is making every possible effort to reduce emissions and you are still bashing!? You are a joke sir. How about give credit where credit is due, a Tahoe hybrid will save thousands more gallons than taking an already fuel efficient vehicle and giving it another 10mpg. And Prius green car of the year? How about you do some research and find out the overall environmental impact producing nickel batteries has on the planet. Look up Sudbury, Canada.
Posted by: Dan Porcaro | November 17, 2007 at 01:40 AM
It's self-defeating counter-productive stupid corruption like this that makes me not care if all American automakers go out of business.
Posted by: Pat | November 17, 2007 at 02:07 PM
Most SUVs I see have either a single driver, or a driver and only one passenger, cruising on streets and freeways. Not one driver in 10 actually uses an SUV off-road. $4, $5 or more per gallon gasoline will make more impact that a [rated, not necessarily actual] 30% increase in gas mileage in one giant SUV. When you macho SUV drivers are putting in $100 or $125 at every fill up, those of us who buy more fuel-efficient vehicles will be laughing at you.
Posted by: Sal B | November 18, 2007 at 12:52 AM
All important change in the United States has been realized by the people--not the government or industry or the media.
The almost free market economy we all enjoy is predicated upon business delivering the goods that will generate the highest number of sales with the most attractive profit margins.
They will only build that which holds out the greatest promise for investment return and increase in shareholder value.
When Americans demonstrate, with their pocketbooks, that green vehicles are their prefernce then the pace at which these vehicles is produced will accelerate.
Perhaps there will some day be an environmental Boston Tea Party. As os yet, I don't see it.
Posted by: KAG | November 18, 2007 at 06:54 AM
Car of the year 1993, maybe.
And spare us more ridiculous counter arguments: "..designed to annoy thinking people into buying a Hummer.."
"Oh gee, you envirowhackos make me wanna buy a tank", etc... If you "thinking people" who get so upset by environmentalists actually saw the US from the perspective of other nations, you might get away from the "us vs. them" arguments long enough to realise that there is a real global problem.
Calling a 21mpg vehicle "car of the year" is only possible in a nation that has lost its perspective.
And "now GM is making every possible effort to reduce emissions"..?Considering GM/Detroit rejected hybrid technology initiatives as far back as 1993 as "fiscally unworkable" , its a bit late for them to start patting themselves on the back now that they are going out of business.
Call it "bashing", call it what you like, just quit the partizan politics and look the problem in the eye like a grown up.
Posted by: charlie | November 18, 2007 at 09:45 AM
Well, it depends how it is used actually. If it is used to haul commercial equipment or as a fully-laden commuter vehicle, then it is green. Of course if it is a single-passenger commuter vehicle, it isn't. For those bashing the domestic automakers, how absolutely naive. In the future, if US companies go down the tubes, prepare for step two then when the US reverts back to a developing country. It will be just like living in Vietnam or the Philippines. Guess what will happen to your own jobs then? Now that is something to laugh at! HAH!
Posted by: Alex | November 18, 2007 at 12:49 PM
It's actually not being an "environmental wacko" to think that mailing buckets of money to Iran, Venezuela, Russia, and the Saudis is perhaps not good for the future of the US.
It isn't "Detroit's Fault," either, it is ours, we who are so obsessed with driving a big truck that we can't realize that we are putting our nation in danger with our wasterful habits.
Posted by: George Bishopric | November 18, 2007 at 08:18 PM
To the Eco-extreme - your much beloved Toyota's version of an 8 pass vehicle gets 15MPG, so get off your high horse.
Posted by: Joe | November 19, 2007 at 08:38 AM
If Toyota came out with a Hybrid 4Runner, there wouldnt be this blog about it per se, but maybe another blog on how foreign competition is better the the Big 3 in every facet, how America is losing it's edge, etc etc etc...
It's a step, a small step but still a step. Congrats GM, I hope you make it! One blogger said he hoped all American car makers would go out of business. How many people does Ford and GM employ in North America and how much tax revenue does it generate? Think of all the smaller companies that supply GM with parts as well.
I am a field sales rep. in LA, so while I work out of my home I do a lot of time driving to clients all over LA and Ventura counties. When gas gets to be about $4 a gallon I totally notice a reduction in traffic, meaning people might actually only drive when needed and/or consolidate their trips. So, I say make it $5 a gallon. Then all these people with their Tahoes can complain about that as they drive to Starbucks (a block down the street) to pay $5 for a latte.
Also agree to moving closer to work. Also agree that maybe open a window when it's 62 out rather than leave your air conditioning on. So many things we can do that would make such a bigger difference than this "green" debate...
Posted by: KDRAPERLA | November 19, 2007 at 12:02 PM
I agree with the majority of respondents here that this award is a complete JOKE. The American consumer driven economy (sustained by perpetual debt) is completely and utterly irresponsible to the environment, and honestly my friends, PEAK OIL will render SUVs, and most cars in general, OBSOLETE. Yes, PEAK OIL. If you haven't heard about it before, you better know what its implications are.
What we should be doing in society (globally) is spending our money on research and development of renewable and clean energy while we still have time. We need to ELECTRIFY our technology based on renewable energy sources. That means hydrogen created by PV-electricity (from the sun) to power the future (hopefully more advanced) fuel-cell vehicles. It also means overhauling our disgusting-energy-squandering American suburbs (dependent on automobiles) to a built-environment conducive to mass transit usage (subways in particular in larger cities).
The American Dream has become a full on nightmare. The United States is less than 5% of the world population, yet it uses more than 25%? You gotta ask yourself "Why that's the case?!" It's because of the way we live people! Our lifestyle, our culture that promotes WASTE - not reuse, not reduce, not recycle, not mass transit. And as with all "great" empires, we will eventually collapse because we have been so stupid and complacent.
Posted by: Brigham | November 19, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Great mileage for such a large vehicle. My 1993 full sized Blazer averages 12.7 mpg, the new Tahoe almost doubles that.
Posted by: Fred Williams | November 19, 2007 at 01:10 PM
Brigham above is pretty much on the mark. The problem here is more the way corporations and their marketing campaigns whose only goal is to sell you something have steered the complacent and oblivious American consumer into thinking they need one of these stupid barges. People who're more concerned about reality tv or what some celeb wore to lunch today aren't thinking what they're setting their kids and grandkids up for down the road. This pathetic 'me-me-me' economy makes one want to see $5-$10 /gallon gas as the hardship it'll create seems to be the only way people will actually make a change and not consume/waste so much. Think about the result of your action beforehand.
Posted by: Andy | November 19, 2007 at 04:07 PM
The only finalist that could've possibly deserved the 'green' award would have been the Nissan Altima hybrid. The Tahoe Hybrid is marginally better than the non-hybrid version, but still not what I--or any sane person-could possibly call a 'green' vehicle.
Instead of meaningless awards and hype-filled auto shows, we need consumer-oriented incentives for people to choose cleaner, more environmentally efficient cars when they purchase their next new motor vehicle.
The idea that comes to mind is the proposed Feebate program in California, aka Clean Car Discount. This would provide a significant rebate to new car buyers when they purchase a new vehicle that is relatively clean and efficient in terms of global warming emissions--the surcharges would be funded by one-time surcharges on the purchase of new vehicles that are the worst in terms of environmental efficiency and global warming. The proposed legislation is lengthy with all sorts of implementation details, etc., but the core idea is sound and long overdue.
Posted by: DanK. | November 20, 2007 at 04:00 PM
I posted a few days ago on this forum, and after attending the Auto Show this past weekend, I must say I was pretty disappointed with most of the cars on the exhibit floors. Mainly, I was searching for any "wake-up" signs from the auto companies manifested through increased fuel efficiency in their cars. However, I was NOT impressed by 98% of the cars and their flashy-look-at-me designs. Most of them still did poorly for MPG fuel efficiency. The Nissan Altima Hybrid was NO EXCEPTION (contrary to the post above) It still didn't get much over 25MPG! What a joke. The only THREE cars I would recommend from what I saw include: The Prius Hybrid, Honda Civic Hybrid, and the Smart Car (which gets 36 miles on the city streets and 40 on the highway!).
Anyway, after being distracted by all the auto-glitz-and-bling, anyone aware of the reality of our current global resource perils, sees through all the smoke and mirrors and understands that civilian mobility supported mainly by automobiles will continue to encourage urban sprawl, which in turn, taxes heavily on our planet's resources by being wasteful and carrying a larger eco-footprint. The solution is building cities that are conducive to walking and mass transit/subways/light-rails as the MAIN means of transport, not secondary.
Perhaps Peak Oil and Peak Natural Gas will be the only way to force society to reconsider its wasteful habits and turn to environmentally-sustainable public policy: reject sprawl, require compact/walkable cities, require mass transit, tax heavily on private automoiles, switch to renewable resources/energy.
Posted by: Brigham | November 26, 2007 at 03:20 PM
As I read these posts and all the controversy surrounding our magazine’s 2008 Green Car of the Year winner, it strikes me that many here are missing something important: You can wish SUVs off the road but that won't make it happen. There's a diverse array of vehicle models available because consumers want choices. Increasingly, recent years have found new car buyers overwhelmingly choosing SUVs. Short of legislating SUVs off the road -- and I don't think that will happen anytime soon -- these vehicles will be sharing the road with you for some time. So, isn’t it crucial that they be made much more fuel efficient than the norm today?
While it's true that many don't drive large SUVs for the right reasons (the two-passenger soccer mom in a giant SUV is a popular example), there are many others who choose a larger vehicle because they meet specific needs. Large families that need more seating than that provided by an average sedan is one example. Some people need to tow heavy loads like boats or horse trailers. Others regularly carry a lot of cargo but don't want things left out in an open pickup box for security reasons, so a large SUV with substantial cargo carrying capacity is a good fit.
Is it your right to tell people they can't have vehicles that fit their needs? Some think so. But this is America and we don't have our mobility choices dictated to us. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't encourage better, more practical, and more environmentally positive vehicle choices. It just means you're not in charge of someone else's new car buying choice.
There are multiple ways to effect the change we're all seeking. An important one is encouraging auto manufacturers to change their advertising to promote fuel-efficient vehicle choices rather than just performance, safety, or luxury. This will ultimately have a long-term effect on buying patterns.
Another is to recognize the reality that not everyone wants a small car. The Prius and Civic hybrids are great vehicles and should sell in increasingly larger numbers over time. The standard (non-hybrid) Civic, which is already quite fuel efficient, is one of the market's most popular cars in its segment. More people are likely to buy cars like these in response to sustained high gasoline prices. In all likelihood, many buyers will downsize from full-size SUVs to more compact SUVs or crossover vehicles over time because of the cost of gas.
The goal should not be to focus only on making super high efficiency small cars, but rather to vastly increase the efficiency of all vehicles in all classes, from small to large. We've been on this soapbox since we started publishing in 1992. We recognize that this is not an easy challenge. It's much more straightforward to engineer small vehicles with four-cylinder engines to meet near-zero emissions levels and achieve much higher fuel efficiency than it is to do so in larger vehicles that require the power of a V-6 or V-8.
That is why the Tahoe Hybrid's two-mode hybrid system, and its 50 percent increase in city fuel efficiency, is so important. It takes quite a bit for auto manufacturers to eke out just a half-mile-per-gallon increase in a vehicle model of any size, and it’s rarely cheap. To gain a 50 percent fuel efficiency improvement in a large vehicle is nothing short of amazing.
The two-mode hybrid will be applied in a full range of GM vehicles large and small using both V-8 and V-6 engines. Since development of the two-mode hybrid system was done jointly with BMW and Daimler(Chrysler), variations of this system will additionally find their way into BMW, Chrysler, Dodge, and Mercedes-Benz models that will use their own two-mode hybrid configurations to achieve important efficiency increases. Achieving this kind of fuel savings in a large number of vehicles will ultimately save untold millions of barrels of oil and greenhouse gas emissions over time.
From this perspective, the goal is clear. Making high efficiency sedans like the Prius and Civic Hybrid is a good start...but it's only a start. Breakthrough vehicles like the Chevy Tahoe Hybrid -- which earned its distinction as Green Car Journal's 2008 Green Car of the Year -- are just as important to moving motor vehicles in the right direction.
Posted by: GreenCar.com | November 29, 2007 at 06:34 PM
With reference to the comment by the guy from the Green Car Journal. I'm sorry, but why does anyone need an SUV in the city? For large families, wouldn't a more frugal minivan do the trick?
Mr. GCJ makes a decent point about a large SUV being the only option for some people. That would be the niche market of large families living in the middle of nowhere. Boy, is the Tahoe Hybrid really going to make a difference. GCJ guy then goes on about large families downsizing in the near future. To which vehicles? And if they can then, they can do so now.
It's this kind of muddled thinking which awarded the GCotY to the Tahoe Hybrid in the first place. Cancel my subscription to GCJ. Wait a minute, I don't have one. Thank goodness.
Posted by: Bruce Grove | December 03, 2007 at 02:54 PM
Well, Bruce...you're still getting it wrong. Your comment asking why anyone would need an SUV in the city is also pretty telling. It's not your call to pick another person's vehicle for them. They will pick a vehicle based on their needs and desires. So, that's why it's important to increase fuel economy in all vehicle classes to cover these choices.
Those who will likely downsize to smaller SUVs do have choices: the Ford Escape Hybrid, Mercury Mariner Hybrid, Mazda Tribute Hybrid, and Toyota Highlander Hybrid, for example. There will be others coming soon, including advanced diesel models that get higher fuel efficiency.Those who need a larger SUV have a great new option in the Tahoe Hybrid.
"Boy, is the Tahoe Hybrid really going to make a difference." Well, there's another one of those comments that calls for some education. Here it is: Over 15,000 miles of driving, the Tahoe Hybrid will use 223 fewer gallons of gas than a conventional Tahoe. For comparison, driving a Honda Civic Hybrid instead of a conventional Civic saves 160 gallons. There...you don't even have to do the math. More gas is saved by increasing efficiencies in a larger vehicle than a smaller one. We're not recommending larger vehicles, but rather pointing out there are solid reasons to also focus important fuel efficieincy gains in large vehicles. Learn more in the Fuel Economy Fundamentals article at GreenCar.com.
A more frugal minivan? The 2008 Chevy Tahoe Hybrid -- Green Car Journal's 2008 Green Car of the Year -- gets 3 mpg better EPA combined fuel economy than a Honda Odyssey and 2 mpg better combined fuel economy than the Toyota Sienna and Dodge Caravan.
Oh, but you'd know all this if you did have a subscription to Green Car Journal or regularly read the free content at GreenCar.com.
Posted by: GreenCar.com | December 12, 2007 at 05:33 AM
And American wonder's why the rest of the world laughs at them and why they have a reperution as being dump. Bad enough electing an idiot for President and doing it twice.
The enviroment means nothing to americans. Get serious!
Posted by: JM | March 21, 2008 at 03:35 AM
A lot of you guys just don't get it. For some buyers, the size of this vehicle is a necessity. Consider this:
Two cars drive 12000 miles per year. One is a 30mpg Civic, the other a 45mpg Prius. The Civic burns 400 gallons of fuel, the Prius 267 gallons saving 133 gallons over the Civic. Yay for economy!
Now consider two trucks driving 12000 miles per year. One is a 15mpg Excursion, the other this 21mpg Tahoe. The Excursion burns about 230 more gallons than the Tahoe.
So if you need a truck that big, guess what? You just SAVED 100 MORE GALLONS of fuel per year than every self-righteous, smug Prius driver on the road.
And yes, I realize the Tahoe still burns more overall fuel than the Prius. That's not the point. Those 12000 miles per year will be driven regardless of fuel economy so the Tahoe really does save more than the Prius.
Hopefully now you get why the Tahoe was the obvious choice for this award.
Posted by: Matt | June 05, 2008 at 03:20 PM
I cannot believe the Sierra Club did this. If true, I will seriously consider dropping membership. We have to change our way of thinking and not dream that the current style of life can be slightly adjusted to meet future resource limits and global warming concerns.
Posted by: Cliff | June 06, 2008 at 06:50 AM
Ugh!
We rented a Prius to drive up to Canada for a wedding, and are happy to say that we got 51 hwy/60 city--much higher than the 45 hwy/48 city advertised! What's more, it's a roomy car and a smooth ride. I am also on the FCX Clarity e-mail list and anxiously awaiting its release in Illinois.
But the Chevy Tahoe Hybrid?
I guess 22 mpg is pretty good for a enormous SUV, but puh-lease! DO WE REALLY NEED TO DRIVE SUVS?
Posted by: CFL-CTA | July 15, 2008 at 09:27 AM