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The Ulmer Scale: A true test of Hollywood star bankability?

May 22, 2009 |  5:44 pm

Night_at_the_museum_battle_of_the_smithsonian_poster As the star of "Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian," Ben Stiller has another huge hit film opening this weekend, the only real question being whether it will make $300 or $400 or $500 million around the world -- its predecessor, "Night at the Museum," having grossed a total of $574.4 million here and overseas.

So in Hollywood, Stiller is a king. But there's one place where he doesn't get any respect -- in the pages of the Ulmer Scale, which for years was one of the industry's most trusted databases when it came to gauging movie star bankability.

After taking a couple of years off, James Ulmer -- the brains behind the scale -- is back with his new 2009-10 Actors Hot List, featuring bankability rankings of 1,402 actors, Will Smith being No. 1 and Trent Ford being No. 1,402. The Scale, currently only available in book form, divides actors into graded lists, the grades based not only on the performance of their films but the actors' career management, willingness to travel and promote their projects, professionalism and acting range. Ulmer ranks bankability at three different budget levels -- low ($1-$8 million), medium ($8-$30 million) and high (more than $30 million).

There are only two actors on the A-plus list, Smith and Johnny Depp, followed by 26 actors on the A-list and 84 actors on the B-plus list. At one time, the Ulmer Scale was a hot item in studio circles, since movie executives are always on the lookout for convenient ways to codify star power. Since Ulmer bases his picks on interviews with a relatively large sampling of international film buyers, financiers, sales agents, producers and company executives, the scale was especially valuable at one time, being one of the first systems to put a premium on an actor's global appeal. 

In recent years, the scale has received far less buzz. In fact, Ulmer took several years off to work as a consultant before assembling this new book. If nothing else, the book serves as a convenient reminder of who's hot and who's not, offering an uppers and downers list of which actors have been on the rise and on the fall since Ulmer issued his last book in 2007. (The actor most on the rise: Shia LaBeouf; the actor with the biggest drop: Mel Gibson.)  If you look at movies the way we sports geeks look at baseball statistics, you could argue that Ulmer is the movie biz equivalent of Bill James, who built a huge following over the years, among fans and baseball executives, with his in-depth sabermetric analysis.

But I worry that Ulmer hasn't kept up with the times. As I looked over his ratings, I found a host of questionable judgments -- starting with the ranking of Ben Stiller at No. 62 on the actors' list, not only far behind such successful comics as Will Ferrell and Adam Sandler but below a host of actors who are now considered box-office poison, notably Ben Affleck, Kevin Costner, Jude Law and Mike Myers. Ulmer insists that box-office performance isn't the scale's only indicator of success. But especially when he puts such weight on international visibility, how could Ferrell be the highest-ranked comic at No. 6 overall, with Sandler way back at No. 21 and Stiller at No. 62?

The record speaks for itself. If you take each of the actors last four mainstream films, both Stiller and Sandler easily outperform Ferrell, having far bigger grosses, especially internationally. In fact, Stiller's worst-performing movie ("Tropic Thunder") made more money around the globe than Ferrell's best-performing film ("Talladega Nights"). So when I spoke with Ulmer on Friday, I had a few skeptical questions to ask. Did he have any good answers? You be the judge. Keep reading:

Q: So why is Will Ferrell ranked so much higher than every other comic, especially considering that his films don't perform very well overseas, especially compared with Ben Stiller or Adam Sandler?

Ulmer: You have to remember, this isn't my personal ranking, but taken from a group of buyers and sellers. But the consensus was that Ferrell was the most bankable comedian, in particular because he has the most appeal to women and women drive the box office. Will is really well-liked in Japan, where women drive the box-office twice, going to movies on Wednesdays with their girlfriends and then again on the weekend on their own.

Q: But how could Ben Stiller be ranked so low? How could he be behind Ben Affleck and Jude Law? Nobody wants to make a movie with them, while Stiller is a huge star. What gives?

Ulmer: This isn't just a correlation to who you'd want to cast in a movie. This is, in essence, a global averaging. Except for "Night at the Museum," Stiller has been in a lot of comedies that don't translate as well to the international marketplace.

Q: What about "Meet the Fockers"?

Ulmer: Well, I have to look seriously at this stuff and see about why certain people are rising and falling. There are a lot of different factors that go into people's assessments about these actors.

Q: How could Harrison Ford be at No. 26 on the list, ahead of younger stars like Robert Downey Jr., Keanu Reeves and Jamie Foxx? Among the studio people I talk to, Ford isn't on anyone's A-list anymore.

Ulmer: My guess is that Ford's name probably has a stronger holding value than he deserves. He's had such a long run as an action-adventure star that he continues to travel well in foreign markets and on DVD. If you talk to buyers in Japan and Europe, they still rank him really high.

Q: What about Al Pacino? You have him at No. 35, ahead of Mark Wahlberg and Jack Black. And Pacino isn't even an action star. No studio wants him in a starring role anymore. So why is he so high?

Ulmer: A lot of the people who do the grading, especially in Europe, still see a real iconic value in Pacino, even when people in the U.S .wouldn't view him as a good risk. He's always ranked higher than you'd expect. The same is true of Jack Nicholson. They just have an enduring appeal.

Q: Everyone on the list is old. I don't think there's a male star who's under 35 on the list until you get to Shia LaBeouf, who's tied for No. 67. You have Seth Rogen at No. 82 and Zac Efron at No. 98. With all due respect, aren't they much hotter than Robert Redford (No. 65) or Dustin Hoffman (No. 67)?

Ulmer: That's a very American-centric or studio-centric view of the world. Most people in Europe don't even know Zac Efron's name. The buyers are more interested in someone who's been a star for a long time than someone who's just starting their career. I talked to four different [sources] who said that Seth Rogen is just an American star. People overseas don't get his slacker humor. So these younger actors that are powerful in Hollywood simply aren't perceived the same way overseas.

Q: One of the stars who dropped the most since your last scale was Nicole Kidman. Why?

Ulmer: Even overseas, people see her choice of roles as very erratic. She'll do a studio film, but followed by several films that don't even register overseas. She's just too unpredictable. A French executive I spoke to said, "I find her fascinating, but she's too quirky." That makes her a very risky bet.


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I think it's the writer of this article that's amiss. Ben Stiller is crap. "Meet the Fockers" was crap. Just because an actor doesn't take every crap piece that comes along doesn't mean they are asked to be in films, it means they turn down the ones they don't want to do. And did I mention, Ben Stiller is crap? Are you a complete fanbot?

This book seems like a waste of money to me, because the way Ulmer makes it sound, Europe is one big homogeneous mass, which is simply not true. The EU has a population of close to 500 million, but it's made up of 27 countries with different tastes. Not taking that into account is ignorant.

Working for the association of the biggest market's chain of movie distributors, I can tell you people make fun of e. g. Pacino's bad dye job and fake teeth. On the other hand, people in Europe do know who Zac Efron is. HSM did very well in theaters and on DVD, not just in GB but also in countries where the dialogue (but not the songs) were dubbed. Efron has been on many covers of teen mags and his interviews have appeared on TV.

I wonder how old his data is and how many people worked on collecting it.

How does Ulmer account for Mel Gibson. The guy has not made a movie in what, 5 or 6 years?

Interesting to see the box office for his return flick.

Back in the 1950s, Kirk Douglas made a movie called "The Vikings." It didn't do well in the United States, but was a big hit on the World Market. It gave Kirk the insight that there is a large market out there that should be understood. He produced "Spartacus" with that fact in mind. My father, Woody Strode, made four films with the legendary director, John Ford. The most notable was "The Trial of Sergeant Rutledge." In 1964 Woody made a film in Yugoslavia entitled, "Genghis Khan," with high profile actors: Stephen Boyd, James Mason, etc. Yet only Woody was recognized and cheered wherever he went in Europe, much to his surprise, especially when it happened in a communist country. The reason? John Ford's westerns were respected throughout the world. His work was recognized as that of an historian. That buzz that Woody got served him well in later years working on Italian Westerns such as Sergio Leone's "Once Upon A Time in the West." My point is this: there is a vast market outside of the U.S. which would be wise to take note of, that is not America-centric, tabloid-centric, or Hollywood-centric.

There seems to be an undue amount of fan cheering of Ben Stiller.Yeah, he's got a couple of frnachises, which certainly makes it odd that he would appear so low on the screen, but what Ullmer says makes sense: comedies simply don't translate well overseas, certainly not as well as, say, action and horror movies, which might explain Ford's continued high marks. After all, Stallone and Seagal are still considered huge stars in Asian markets. And lest we forget, for every "Night at the Museum", Stiller has made a "Heartbreak Kid", which didn't translate well here, either.

Woody Strode rules!!!

it seems that there is a growing gap between the tastes of domestic and foreign audiences. The U.S. as a more celeb-centric culture seems to bank on younger talent more than Europe, for example that would bank more on established and older actors. The reasons could be cultural, demographic...whatever. Maybe in the next iteration of the book Ulmer should have a dual ranking - domestic and foreign. That way it would have footing to both markets and be more useful to industry executives.

Woody Strode was great.

I haven't seen "The Trial of Sergeant Rutledge," but I'll put it in my Netflix just because of the Woody Strode connection.



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