Deliberations resume

Tuesday: Jurors arrived in the courtroom at 9:29 a.m. and began deliberating about 15 minutes later.

It's anybody's guess how long deliberations will take, but the foreman, a civil engineer from Alhambra, has been the trial's most comprehensive note-taker. If the 32-year-old wishes to review his notes with his peers, we could be in for a long ride.

Comments

[Bill Moisson]

Is there anything wrong with having 20 unlicensed guns in your castle? Is tit against the law to brandish or shoot somebody with an unregistered firearm?

[Larry Kramer]

Phil Spector is a phsyco killer who deserves not 15-life but the chair!

Can anybody tell me how come there was no mention of the ownership of the gun or who's fingerprint was on it. Let me guess, no usable fingerprints?
Mr. Spector will get his reality check soon if not our DA needs another job.
Spectors pattern is clear, he try to use his wealth as bait with unsuspecting women and then when hes advances are refused he goes nuts and pulls a gun. If he gets off he should room with OJ.

[robert t. gilleran]

1. since juries which convict usually do it quicly, a hung jury or an innocent verdict appear to be extremely likely now, especially with the engineer having taken all those notes.

2. steve cooley has be running an incompetent and crooked da's office for some time.

3. i wonder if his response will be the same as it was after the robert blake acquittal. " the people on the jury were stupid."

4. it is time to get rid of cooley and his rotten crew and for cooley to pay the price for the incompetence and dishonesty in the los angeles da's office.

5. his office reguarly goes out and targets people from certain ethnic and economic groups. guilt or innocence or justice are not relevant. pumping up those conviction statistics with guily pleas are the only objective.

6. he arrranges for bail amount to be set so high, in gross violation of the us and california constitutions, that the vast majority of his victims, innocent or guilty, cannot post the bonds to get out of jail and are stuck with a public defender. their advice is always the same- plead guilty.

7. so, while cooley does have impressive statistics on convictions, his record in cases in which the targets do have the money to post bail and to hire good attorneys is atrocious.

8. he and his peredecessors at the la da's office have been so anxious to get high profile convictions thatwe, the public, are consistently being ripped off by cooley's misuse of our funds.

9. it is time to get rid of cooley and his entire crew and to have someone as la county da from lmu, not someone from usc, who runs a disgraceful da's office and who declines to prosecute all usc football and basketball players, no matter what they have done.

thanks for the great coverage,

robert t. gilleran

[LACountyResident]

They knocked off around 3:45 or so.

[robert t. gilleran]

1. another day and no verdict bodes for a hung jury or an acquittal.

2. as with the robert blake case, steve cooley's office has done another terrible job, using our tax dollars to attempt to inflate their own egos and boost their careers.

3. after the blake case, cooley's response to the media was that the members of the jury in van nuys were stupid.

the only real cases that cooley's office wins are the ones tried before judges who were former prosecutors.

4. the hard facts are that the la da's office feasts on layup covictions and guilty pleas obtained from victims targeted by ethnic and economic group, unable to put up the unconstitutionnally high bail amounts set to keep the victims in jail, and to stick them with public defenders who, with very minor exceptions, tell the victims that their only option is to plead guilty, with no interest in their guilt or innocence or justice.

5. when cooley runs for office again, he will be facing some real opposition and his atrocious record will be used against him.

6. it is time to clean out that rats' nest at the la da's office.

bob gilleran

[Jackie Davis]

Michael Baden and Linda K-Baden are class acts. I'm so sorry to see them associated with this ridiculous defense.

[Corey]

So how do you really feel about Steve Cooley?
Q: Is Robert Blake in jail right now?
No? Well then yeah, the jury was stupid. "Sure the whole gun falling from my waistband in the restaurant story is probable, Sure. Even though he had motive, was at the scene and had solicited help in killing his wife, and he's slightly nuts."
Anyway, what does this have to do with Spector?

[T.R. Donovan]

I think Spector is guilty, based upon the evidence and how the jury is instructed to weigh for a guilty verdict.

But I think they'll return with a non-guilty decision. If otherwise, I'd be surprised.

Bob, I think we got the point on Cooley, thanks.

[L.A. Juries are dumb]

The problem is that L.A. County juries are incredibly dumb especially those who serve on long trials. These tend to be people who work for the government (eg government employees) or who work for companies that grant unlimited jury duty. You end up with a high proportion of uneducated and minority juries and these tend to favor the defense.

The O.J. jury was a poster child for L.A. County employees and that's why he was acquitted. It's called racism.

Spector will probably be convicted because his race won't be an advantage for him--in this case the education level of the jury still favors the defense since there are obviously a lot people with only high school diplomas on the jury.

[jm]

Dr. Baden and his brilliant wife, Ms. Linda, are indeed class acts, and that is precisely why they would never get involved in a dubious case that would jeopardize their impeccable reputations.
Mr. Jackson, in his manipulative smear campaign waged against all experts testifying in defense of Mr. Spector,
can only hope that the jury bought into his
rhetoric without thinking the obvious, "hey. . ., but you've got paid experts too. . ., and a hell-of-a-lot more money!"

[jk]

Spector's pattern is not clear. The infamous 5 aren't dead.

[jk]

Damn, "Gilleran," please run for office! You've already got my vote.
Your comments are brill and go straight to the crux of precisely what's gone wrong in LA County's Office of the DA.

[Michael]

"Spector's pattern is not clear. The infamous 5 aren't dead." Jeesh, more drivel from jk. Here's an analogous argument: Joe Blow forces 5 people to play Russian Roulette with a revolver and the gun does not go off with any of them. Then he forces a sixth person to play and the gun goes off. The pattern is not clear. The first five are alive. And our conclusion is: Joe Blow is not guilty! Based on other posts, it seems that jk is highly educated, but s/he consistently posts illogical and unfounded arguments. Is it surprising that jurors (many of whom are not well educated or particularly intelligent) screw up so often? If you're interested in this stuff, read "A Deadly Affair." In that case a man was wrongly convicted of murdering his wife. The jury returned a verdict that was clearly impossible given the facts and the instructions to the jury. Personally, I am not generally biased for the prosecution or the defense. I am biased in favor of truth. I admit this is a quaint point of view in an age of spin (i.e., lies), but I guess I'm getting nostalgic in my old age.