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CNN President Jon Klein declares Obama birther story 'dead'

CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein told staffers at the cable news network Thursday night that the supposed controversy regarding the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate is a “dead” story after anchor Lou Dobbs drew attention for raising the issue repeatedly on his radio program.

The website TVNewser reported today that Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air, informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001. A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported. The shorter Certificate of Live Birth noting Obama’s birth on Aug. 4, 1961, that has been made public is the official record.

“It seems to definitively answer the question,” Klein wrote, according to TVNewser. “Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead -- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef.”

In his show Thursday, Dobbs did note the explanation from Hawaiian officials, though he went on to devote another segment to the topic, interviewing CNN contributor Roland Martin and Rep. Ted Poe, a co-sponsor of a bill that would require future presidential candidates to produce their birth certificates.

Here's Dobbs' opening:

“President Obama promised transparency and openness in his administration. Yet, he's chosen not to release his original birth certificate or a copy of it. And a number of Americans are asking, why not? The left-wing media has attacked me because I simply asked the question. Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago. That explanation, however, has not satisfied some critics.”

In the segment, Dobbs stressed that he has said repeatedly that he believes Obama is a citizen, something that he said his critics in the “left-wing media” ignore.

But he continued to press the question of why Obama has not shown a long-form birth certificate. “When this could be dispelled so quickly, and -- and simply by producing it, why not do it?” Dobbs asked.

-- Matea Gold

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"CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001. A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported."

Funny, back in late 2008, the Hawaii Health Department Director, Dr.Chiyome Fukino and the Registrar of Vital Statistics, Alvin Onaka, claimed to have "personally verified the Health Department holds original document."

This is according to AP. Well which is it? Do they have it or not. Hmmmmmmm?

A "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" which is what I have for my birth certificate, is proof enough. This is ridiculous. What a waste of time and money, and it only plays to the paranoids out there. Amazing to me how much energy and hatred people expend over things like this. Guess their world is so perfect that nothing else needs their attention. For a nanosecond I liked Lou Dobbs, when he was championing the cause of stopping the outsourcing of jobs. My affection faded quickly when he morphed into a Glenn Beck wannabe overnight.

Frankly? There is just too much news. Too many news outlets, blogger, pundits, "journalists", and too much tv and radio time, and too much space, to fill, so news has become useless and completely biased in whatever way sells the most ads.

The people who lost the election need to drink a big old can of "get over it", and move on with their lives. It's moved into the tin foil hat realm months ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong,if your parent is a citizen if the US,does it still matter where you where born?

Funny, the Director of the Hawaii Health Department and the Registrar of Vital Statistics confirmed in late 2008 that they have both "personally verified that the department holds the original." This is according to AP News. Guess everyone should get their lies straight, huh? LOL :)

Of course, I was being facetious. Jon Klein is no more dead than the story about Obama being a poseur. Both Obama and Klein need to be yanked out of their respective offices.

I'm sorry if my previous comment ("Jon Klein is dead") might have been misinterpreted. I meant to be funny, not morose.

The whole idea of PRESIDENT Obama not being American is silly and sophomoric. No one questioned his citizenship when he was an Illinois state senator or US Senator - they knew better. As soon as he wins the national election by a landslide against the overrated and out of touch republicans his birthrights are questioned. There is nothing like a sore loser. Obama IS an AMERICAN citizen so get over it!

Sorry Greg Sabine, your republican dreams won't come true. Obama will not leave the white house over this elementary issue.

Just because you guys lost you can still show some dignity and respect for yourselves...

Jonathan, Constitutional Lawyer

Beware of severe partisan censorship here (and other sites !) for people debating the eligibility question. If there isn't anything to it, why the huge million dollar cover-up. Comments about honest arguments are being bumped off here ... If there isn't anything to hide, why the unreasonable effort to condemn or ridicule this topic. The more serious the cover-up, the more likely the seekers of the truth are on the right track.

Strawboss: Maybe you don't remember all the meetings about whether McCain was able to be President. There was some issue with him being a natural born citizen, and it was thoroughly gone through. In Obama's case, though, no one seemed to care that reports were saying he was born in Kenya. Even if the report wasn't verifiable, it should have still been researched and looked into properly, as they did with McCain. As for actually PROVING Obama's birthplace, it probably will never be proven once and for all. After all, with the way technology has taken over all aspects of government, paper documents are hard to come by that haven't first been in a computer database. ANY computer can be hacked, however, and there were so many people who just wanted Obama to win no matter the cost that it's feasible that someone arranged for improper information to be printed. After all, how many times has the answer of his birthplace been changed on differing databases, whenever he changes the answer himself?

If Hawaii destroyed all paper documents in 2001 why wasn't this "explanation" offered before now? And why is it coming from the head of CNN instead of an investigative reporter? If the documents were destroyed why did the gals in Hawaii say they had Obama's birth certificate in some vault? Why wasn't it destroyed? A valid birth certificate has the hospital name and doctor's name who signs the certificate attesting to the birth, but this is not on Obama's eletronic version, forgery though it might be. What's wrong with asking to see the real thing, not some phony electronic version? And finally...

If Max Cleland can demand and get George Bush's National Guard paystubs from decades earlier, why can't we get Obama's original long form paper birth certificate. He said he had it in his Dreams of My Father book.

"Obama's online 'birth cert' misses 'proving' eligibility
'There are some documents that say things that aren't true'"
Posted: July 20, 2009 9:42 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh © 2009 WorldNetDaily

The "Certification of Live Birth" posted online and presented by Barack Obama as documentation of his reported Hawaiian birth doesn't "prove" his birth alone, according to government officials interviewed by WND.

According to State Department officials, such a short-form birth document might be accepted as documentation of a U.S. birth for a passport if it meets certain requirements. Their conclusion is that the law is "complicated."

And state officials in Hawaii independently told WND that such documents are issued only when certain standards have been met.

But those requirements and standards leave the door open to some circumstances under which the COLB image does not prove what it purports.

WND has reported on multiple legal challenges to Obama's eligibility to be president based on doubts that he was born in the U.S. or was granted "natural born" citizenship at birth. The U.S. Constitution requires that the president be a "natural born" citizen.

The lawsuits include contentions Obama was born in Kenya, wasn't a "natural born" citizen because of his father's Kenyan citizenship, was a dual citizen and that his mother wasn't old enough to transmit citizenship at birth.

In addition, his citizenship is clouded by his move as a child to Indonesia and apparent adoption by an Indonesian citizen who married his mother.

Hawaii state Registrar Dr. Alvin Onaka told WND today that most birth records stem from a hospital report. Documentation for children not born in hospitals depends on other records, such as the pregnant mother's prenatal exams, the statement of an attending midwife and a verification of the birth of a live child.

Other listings include a "foreign" birth or a "delayed" birth.

"We would not be issuing birth certificates of individuals not born in the state of Hawaii," he said.

Robert Klein Engler, who writes at Chronwatch-America.com, said he called the State Department to ask about obtaining a U.S. passport with only a "Certification of Live Birth."

"I was told flat out, 'No!'" he told WND.

In fact, WND got the same response from the State Department's passport division consumer affairs line, contradicting Fuller and Persons.

Engler wrote, "'Birthers' are those who believe that the absence of solid proof about where Obama was born leaves many with reasonable doubts. … Even though White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs won't admit it, I bet he suspects as others in the current regime also do, that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and is not a natural born U.S. citizen."

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees to fight releasing a state birth certificate that could put to rest the questions.

A key to the defenses presented by Obama supporters always has been the "Certification of Live Birth:"

Engler appeared to agree with an argument raised by California attorney Orly Taitz, who has been handling a number of legal challenges to Obama's eligibility. Taitz says that according to Obama's own words, his father was a British subject at Obama's birth and later a citizen of Kenya.

"There is also no conclusive proof that Mr. Obama was born on U. S. soil. He may have been born in Kenya and may at one time have been a dual citizen of both the United States and Kenya," Engler wrote.

Taitz has argued that the admission that Obama's father was Kenyan disqualifies him automatically, since a "natural born" citizen must be, under one definition, born to two parents who are citizens.

Until recently when state officials changed their program, the Hawaiian "homelands" program didn't even accept a "Certification of Live Birth" for its qualifications.

Further, WND previously reported that a document expert contends Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" image itself doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Ron Polarik, who holds a Ph.D. in instructional media specializing in computer technology such as printers, scanners and digital imaging, has posted a YouTube explanation of the problems he sees. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ

His conclusion is that there has to be a significant reason for a political candidate and campaign to go to the lengths he described.

"Obviously, there's something very critical to hide, or they wouldn't have spent the million dollars in legal fees to prevent the release of his original birth certificate," Polarik told WND.

Jon Klein says the paper records were destroyed in 2001, yet in 2008 Hawaii Dept of Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino, and Alvin Onaka, the registrar of vital statistics, stated they have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Way to keep a "dead" story alive Jon!

Will anyone... ANYONE... in the MSM point out this obvious inconsistency?

Dobbs will only be gone when viewers start boycotting the products of those who pay to advertise on his show. Loss of advertising dollars is one thing I am sure Klein will react to.
No money - no show.

This may be a little off-topic but I live in Canada with dual Canadian/American citizenship. We have Universal Healthcare here. I've seen the ads the GOP is airing and the propaganda they are spreading to destroy Obama's Presidency and his desire to provide health care to all Americans. My mother needed quintuple bypass surgery last year. She only waited 2 days. She spent 3 weeks in state-of the-art intensive care, 2 weeks in cardiac care and 6 weeks in a rehab facility. The estimated cost of this is $350,000. HER COST WAS $0! She has always maintained her Blue Cross so she could be in a private room but the medical costs were covered by the insurance offered to every Canadian citizen. I live in a city of over 6 million people - if you need immediate care there is no wait and if you opt to have private care instead, it is not denied. Just wanted to let anyone who is interested know that although no system is perfect, at least you don't have to go bankrupt or die to be healthy. This is one of the reasons I live here - we enjoy a wonderful quality of life. Do your own research and don't give in to the politics of fear. The Right(teous) ones are stuck in a time warp. They don't appear to care about the American people and show even less concern for the children. It's shameful.

'But he continued to press the question of why Obama has not shown a long-form birth certificate. “When this could be dispelled so quickly, and -- and simply by producing it, why not do it?” Dobbs asked.'

Well, maybe because he doesn't have a copy of his 'long-form birth certificate' to give them? I don't have a copy of mine, and neither do my parents, and yet I had student loans, have a valid drivers license, a passport, credit cards, etc. All I needed to get those was a plastic credit card-like 'document' that was issued to my parents shortly after my birth in the 60's. If I don't have a long-form birth certificate (whatever that is), why would anybody else have one? Why should we demand that they have one when the state says that none exists? What is the real agenda here (as if it wasn't obvious)?

Why is this the only president in history (that I know of) to have his citizenry called into question? "
Because, my fascist friend, BO is the only "president" in US history to actively conceal his identity and place of origin. Some reports estimate his spending for high power attorneys to keep concealed his birth, college, etc. records upward of one million dollars.

Something stinks... no this won't ever go away, esp. since a number of grand juries have indicted him for fraud and treason...http://americangrandjury.org/

Cool, the stories "dead". And all it took was an incinerator. "nothing to see here, Please keep walking or you risk being re-educated"

When the true long form birth certificate didn’t show up (although the other candidates posted theirs) reporters starting searching for answers in other documents but all of these records are sealed:
• Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
• Passport files
• University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
• Harvard Law Review articles
• Harvard Law School records
• Columbia University records
• Columbia University senior thesis, "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"
• Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
• Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
• Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register -- but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
• Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
• Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
• Illinois State Bar Association records
• Baptism records
• Obama/Dunham marriage license
• Obama/Dunham divorce documents
• Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
• Soetero/Dunham Adoption records
The issue of the Occidental College records is especially pertinent. The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980's, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. He attended the school on a scholarship -- and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block them. He doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's STILL trying to hide them; those financial records STILL have not been released. Why? Where is the "transparency" he promised, or is that just for everyone else, not him?

On January 21, 2009, he signed a Presidential Decree sealing his government records by “Executive Privilege”. Why?
Executive Order -- Presidential Records

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:
(a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his designee.
(b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records Administration.
(c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.
(d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.
(e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.
(f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.
(g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the deliberative processes of the executive branch.
(h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be taken.
Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records.
(a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
(b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.
Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President.
(a) Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.
(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.
(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.
(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.
Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President.
(a) Upon receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of privilege.
(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
Sec. 5. General Provisions.
(a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.

January 21, 2009

If Hawaii got rid of all records of birth back in 2001 as claimed.
How did Hawaii's Department of Health Director personally see and verify Obama's original birth records back in October 2008?

Maybe Director Chiyome Fukino has a time machine and he went back 10 years to look at Obama's records before the records were discarded?

More likely is that at least one party is lying to cover-up the truth about where Obama was really born.

The "Certification of Live Birth" is a document that, in 1963, the state of Hawaii could issue to children no matter where they were born. They simply had to be a resident and apply for the document.

Logically, the document that Obama released on the internet during the campaign is NOT proof of his citizenship. It only proves that his mother applied for the certificate in Hawaii.

We have no proof of his birth place. We REQUIRE proof, anything less is illegitimate. We cannot take anyone's word on such an important issue.

Non-issue, let's get on with the important issues in our lives! Do you think clinton would have let this go if SHE believed he wasn't a citizen? Or McCain? Or any of the other candidates running in 2008? Come on! And if he DOES release what you want, then what? You'll just find another reason to question it! You WANT to question his legitimacy....and nothing's gonna change that!

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