'Battlestar Galactica': Rolling a hard six

You know a show is great -- better yet -- you know a show's FANS are great when one of the loudest cheers at a screening comes when the writers' credits hit the screen.  But that's how it is with "BSG," and that's how it was earlier this week at The Envelope's Screening of "Battlestar Galactica's" midseason finale at the ArcLight Theater's Cinerama Dome in Hollywood.

Before getting to the finale, we can/should talk about the panel -- Katee Sackhoff, Mary McDonnell, Tricia Helfer and show creator Ron Moore.  Times reporter Geoff Boucher provided great moderation of a well-received discussion that touched on topics ranging from McDonnell's portrayal of a strong female leader stricken with cancer to Helfer's agnostic views and how her Cylon character has influenced her personally.  Moore recounted pitching the story, and how perceiving Starbuck as a woman helped the whole series fall into place in the pre-production stage.  And Starbuck herself?  Well, Katee Sackhoff let an audience member know that she still prefers the old-fashioned f-bomb to the new-fangled 'frak.'

The screening itself was also a plea to get out the Emmy vote for our favorite BSGers.  Eddie (as McDonnell calls him) James Olmos, McDonnell, Jamie Barber, Helfer and Sackhoff all received their "for your consideration" push as the crowd watched emotion-filled scenes from each.  Click here for more on the screening series.  (Another note:  A fan near me asked if it was OK for her to write in Laura Roslin as her choice for president, and McDonnell replied that she could, but "only if I can have Hillary as my VP.")

Now on to the episode (here's the obligatory SPOILER ALERT) ...

It's pretty unfair to call this a midseason finale when the show is not returning until February of 2009.  That's a long time to wait to see what "Revelations" (episode title) really ... reveals.

First reaction:  What?! They find Earth and it's in ruins!?!?  What the heck happened? Who did this? What time frame is this?  Where are the other Cylons?  I have to wait eight months to find out?!?!?

But I digress. We knew this was coming -- meaning the long wait -- so many of us have prepared for it (though some have lost their way).  We've got our deep-breathing methods going, we may write songs like Alessandro Giuliani/Gaeta, could learn to play the card game, or we may just prep for Comic-Con to see the stars and eat bread from a "Battlestar Galactica" "toaster."  You heard right.

But again, I digress.  Leading up to the the discovery of the Blue Planet, all heck broke loose.  As Deanna (3) returned to get "hers," the four Cylons were revealed.  To everyone.  Bill Adama took it a lot harder than I thought, totally breaking down.  Lee took it better than I thought and took control of the situation, not hesitating to kill Sol Tigh if his people weren't returned.  Definitely a gutsy move that, as said by Roslin later, won't "let him off the hook" now as being a leader of the fleet.  The Viper conveniently leading the way back to Earth was a little gimmicky, but wasn't too over the top.  You still wonder how? And why now -- questions to hopefully be answered next year.  Other show highlights included:

• Adama's breakdown was unsettling.  More so than a plot twist, it was downright jarring.  Remarkably, it was understandable and believable when Adama wouldn't get up, though I was urging him to as much as Lee.
• Roslin's dilemma about whether to help Baltar or let him die was tougher to decide, at least for this viewer, than it seemed.  This guy helped bring about the deaths of millions.  But in the end, it's about what she could live with.
• Deanna's return gives the Cylons more structure, but will her new self-defense mode bode well for the rest?
• Capt. Starbuck has been awfully quiet for a woman who was crazy-obsessed with this planet.  Sackhoff mentioned in the panel that Kara was trying to be cool so that people wouldn't think she was a Cylon.  Well, we still haven't heard from No. 5.

And that's the big one.  No fifth Cylon revealed and huge questions left unanswered that will plague fans for a long time to come.  The delay is hopefully not 'rolling a hard six,' and I doubt the show will be forgotten, but it'll be interesting to see what kinds of things SciFi will be doing in the interim to keep the show relevant. 

-- Jevon Phillips

Comments

[John]

So we have the following unresolved issues:

1) What willl the Chief do when he finds out Tory killed Cally?

2) What about the pregnant number 6?
A baby from number 6 and Col. Tigh? That's some bad ass baby...

3) Where is Brother Cavill and the rest of the old guard Cylons?

4) Can the 8's unite and end the Cylon civil war?

5) Where is the 13th Colony?

6) What is Starbuck? Who or what made that Viper of hers?

7) Can't the Cylons make new base ships / resurrection hub? Where is their home planet been for the last 40 years?

8) Will Starbuck kill Anders?

9) What about the half human / half Cylon children? Hera and the Chief's child

10) Will Adama have Baltar executed when it comes out he gave the defense mainframe codes to the Cylons?

11) Is Bill Adama a Cylon?

12) If BSG ends with "they all die" will we care to watch the new show Caprica?

[overlord]

well in a earlyer episode, the hybred said the 13th coloney will lead to the 14th. so what is the 14th coloney

[Will W]

That ending was a bit confusing. What year is it? It looked like a nuked 2008 Manhattan, 100 yrs later. I had thought that maybe the refugees would actually form the basis for humanity on Earth - that the 13th colony never grew there and that the colonial and cylon remnants would actually be the basis for life on Earth. So, the show would actually be taking place during our ancient history and all the theology was the basis for our ancient religions. Also, BSG has had a history of intermission teasers, like the webisodes and Razor, will there be any until the 2nd half of the season begins?

[Eric LaPalme]

Personally, I thought the series should have ended when they landed on a destroyed earth.
I can't see how they can extend the series another season because everything else is anti-climactic.

[Wut]

1. Probably nothing drastic

3. On the other side of the Cylon civil war, the bayship with the fleet is the rebel ship.

5. The 13th colony is Earth, which is where they happen to be. I assume 100~ years after WWIII, we destroyed ourselves, the 12 colonies children destroyed them. Cool eh?

7. Probably on the other side of the galaxy, thousands of jumps over a 3 year period, the other half of the civil war won't be coming for a LONG time, if ever.

10. Unlikely, it is not his decision.

11. We have already been assured he is not one, unlikely we would be lied too by the producers.

12. It is a amazing show, I doubt they would make one worse then this.

[A Rothman]

The series is great. Though the long delays between 'seasons' really kills my attention span. I am definitely not as interested as I was during season 2. By next season, I might just skip it completely. Run the final season SOONER!

[Kevin]

Yeah, too bad they did not show the head of the statue of liberty, but then again we may have thought they had landed on the planet of the apes.

[Prometheus]

1)Probably not a lot

2) Back on Caprica didn't Simon say that the Cylons had been trying for a baby for years and hadn't been able to conceive. Hence the reason for all those nasty baby making machines. So doesn't that leave us with a greater quandary.

3) I'm guessing we'll find out in the very next episode... It would be very like Cavil to just appear with a number of Base Ships just to rub it in even harder

4) No chance, she's an evil 8

5) The implication thus far being that we've imploded our selves... "now there's a surprise" *rolls eyes*

6) Yep Jury's still out on that one... But I'm going for not a cylon. D'anna said that 4 we're with the fleet. I'm going to through a curve ball and suggest that Baltar isn't out of the frame yet and that D'anna knows the 5th. One of the Prisoners could be a cylon and the producers did very carefully cut away from the scene when he enters the room to negotiate.

Remember "Baltar's ostensibly mystical visions of the beautiful Cylon Number Six remain unexplained." [Quote taken from BSG website]

7) Chicken and egg what came first the hub or the cylon?

8) I doubt it that would be too obvious for this production

9) Same question as two really - these children and for that matter roslin's visions still haven't been "explained"... I'm guessing that the rebels still have the opportunity to kidnap these children!

10) No - I think that Roslin's got over it and probably won't even reveal that.... or hold it as a future trump card...

11) No - we've been told that... and on the assumption also that D'anna knows the 5th too

12) I agree with Eric LaPalme. The crew and writers have done a fabulous job and I'm sure that the same team could make an equally fabulous spin off!

[Eric Will]

> 5. The 13th colony is Earth, which is where they happen to be. I assume 100~ years after WWIII, we destroyed ourselves, the 12 colonies children destroyed them. Cool eh?

Not quite. The "13th colony" is the *people* who settled on Earth. Where are the people? Are they really destroyed? Or are they just displaced from their homeworld like the Twelve Colonies?

[Alison Dale]

I have to agree with Will W. After following new Battlestar from the beginning I knew that they'd arrive at Earth either in our distant past or future. Turning up in the present (see old movies!) would be coma inducing lame, though my personal thoughts were that a better story would be had from our past. Predicting the future in days let alone centuries can be very hazardous. And if "everybody dies" at the end, the producers will deserve lifetime poo-bombs in the post!
Alison Dale.

[M. Baker]

It is impossible to please everyone, and the writers know this. I am hopelessly hooked on the best show on television despite my occasional disappointment or displeasure. The incredible writing, and acting far outweigh ANY petty grievance I may have from time to time. I watch to be entertained, to have my thoughts provoked, my preconceived notions challenged, and to escape for an hour. This show absolutely blows away anything else on television in all those respects. Who besides me is tired of knowing what is going to happen before it happens? That is almost never the case on BSG. Once in a while the viewer may see something coming, but when that something arives, what happens next, is still a surprise, and a relevant revelation. Suck it up you wimps with flea like attention spans who can't wait. In February the last episodes begin playing, and when they are gone, you will be whining about that. I view this as one great long story, and to truly be great, there needs to be a beginning, a middle, and a conclusion. Let us hope the conclusion is as satisfying as the rest has been. BRAVO!!

MB

[Tasithoughts]

BSG is one of the best written shows ever. I just saw the mid-season finale and marvel at this show that leaves us with more questions but also with great satisfaction knowing that the relevancy of their survival is dependent on cooperation between human and cylon. Perhaps a message for us today.

[Stephen]

Is there a chance that they've turned upto to the planet Terra? which was part of the original series and the how/what has been guiding them needs them to save Earth from a peril? like the other Cyclons for instance? much of this series is based closely on the original

[Eagle]

Hasn't it occurred to us all that the writers are making it up as they go along? Hence the contradictions and mysteries in the plot.

For example, previously, the Cylons 'had a plan'; but now it seems they don't. Does someone else have a plan?

Some thoughts concerning Tigh:
He's been known by Adama for 30 years. Did it only take the Cylons 10 years to make the first 'skin-jobs'? Weren't they still messing with the (much more interesting) hybrids back then? If Tigh can have a baby with a 6, maybe he isn't a Cylon after all. In which case, perhaps the other outed Cylons are not either....

And come to that, how did those dumb, slow, clunky metallic Cylons make ANYthing? Right now it seems they first made hybrids, who are the best - know everything and are extremely powerful, then made much lower grade humanoid Cylons who seemed tough but now seem as much 'out of the loop' as the humans. Four of the final five seem still more clueless. So does the fifth know what's going on? Or is there no complete, worked out plot, and will BG end with grumbling fans and a million loose ends?

Concerning Earth:
The atmosphere is clear; the war should have been a long time ago; maybe there are survivors and green areas. Maybe they've been brought back to repopulate.

[Terry]

That's Earth they arrived at, and the ruins of the 13th colony, who destroyed themselves in war.

This is taking place far in our past, and we are the descendents of Adama (Adam) and the Cylons.

[Roy]

I loved this "midseason finale", and the past season has been my favorite one so far. Like M Baker, I'm grateful for a show that doesn't cause me to think: "riiight..I remember writing this script...when I was six". I'm also very grateful for a sci-fi show where the character development scenes flow from and advance the plot, rather than being mere soap-opera 'filler'. I feel so cheated when a themed show runs out of plotlines and degenerates into endless character soap opera. Or, like the Cold Case episode I tried to watch last night, the theme is relegated to the background and the show is actually about another subject altogether. I enjoy social/political background in cold case shows, but when the show is about a social/political issue using "cold case" as the background I feel cheated and turn it off.

[StripedTiger]

Were Baltar's visions of cylons ever explained?

He could see Six, or sometimes a 'cleaner' copy of himself, that nobody else could see. What was that all about?

[Mark C]

Do we know how many episodes there will be Feb 09?

[New]

The line "all of this has happened before, and will happen again" that keeps re-occuring makes me think that Earth was destroyed just as Caprica was. Its a big cycle - humans make cylons, cylons kill humans, cylons and humans settle down and make babies and forget where they came from, latest batch of "humans" make cylons.... etc.

[Joe S]

The comment about the 10 year skin job development made me think back to the original series' more advanced Cylons that "grampa" Baltar worked with who directed the toasters. They could have used Baltar's genius to work out the cloning techniques.

The bombed out Earth actually can be considered consistent if you consider the legends state that this has all happened before... and will again...

The Tigh - 6 baby was conceived in love, something the Cylons were not able to do before their involvement with humans. Tigh and his wife, etc.

[Sheldon]

D'Anna said that only four of the Final Five were in the fleet - which would let out Bill Adama, Baltar, etc. - unless she was screwing with Roslin's mind [and she'd already done that wihen she told her she was the Fifth Cylon].

Layers within layers to this show and all its characters.

Gotta love that.

[Ronald Iocono]

Too bad my job doesn't allow me the opportunity to watch a series week in and week out. I love sci fi. Star Trek, Babylon 5, etc. Someday I'll purchase the series on DVD. As for DVR's, I put my money elsewhere like a mountain bike, my motorcycle, etc. I don't want my life to revolve around the TV. I always thought it would be great to have the fleet arrive at Earth and the 13th Colony be armed and ready to defend humanity. How the 12 Colonies allowed the Cylons to advance so far without any intelligence corresponds to our reality. Our enemies are out there planning the destruction of the USA. As with the complaints about too many months between seasons. No different than how fast so many US Citizens forgot what was done to us on 9/11. Be like the Chinese. Look to the long term, else learn to speak Chinese because we'll have as much a chance as the 12 Colonies with your short term philosophy.

[tommy]

remember the mormon origins .....they were standing in the ruins of atlantis after the neophite battle ? any thoughts...

[Peter]

I love the subtle aspects as well as the big, grand pieces. On Earth, Caprica, with a look of intense concern on her face, gently touching Tigh's arm as they looked at the devastated city. That small act really informs the nature of Caprica and makes clear that yes, she does love him, as unlikely as that would have seemed only a short time ago. Thus, the theory that Cylons cannot conceive in the absence of love remains intact. Brilliant!
You really have to pay attention while watching this show if you wish to really get the full effect.

[Mazz]

!) About Tigh and 6's Baby -- The Final 5 are Fundamentally Different Cylons. Basically, a prototype version, or from what a preview of Caprica reveled, could possibly be the creators of the Cylons.

2) the 5th... Is not any of the major characters. They've said this repeatedly. Eh, We shall see.

3) They haven't found Earth. The temple of Aurora they illustrated looks like nothing here on Earth. The black sand they were picking up? Volcanic sand. I think this planet isn't the final Earth. The 13th landed, built a civilization, and then had to boogie out because of a massive volcanic eruption or meteor, a "dinosaur killing event." They'll find that temple, and it will give them the next clue to Earth. Remember, Starbuck said she saw an INHABITED planet. Finally, why no satellites? Why no ISS? "Oh, they got destroy..." NO! It's not Earth!

4) You know what? There are sooooo many conspiracy theories about this show. Who really knows what they'll do? I didn't see them killing Starbuck, then BRINGING HER BACK!! Again... We shall see.

Final thought... The Final 4 kept hearing that song. What if they're really a very advanced iPod?

[lives and works in caprica city]

Could a resurrected Zack Adama be the fifth Cylon???

I figured Saul Tigh to be revealed as a Cylon after D'anna's shocked remorse and apology to one of the Final 5 in her vision in the Temple of 5. I figured she was apologizing to Saul for the loss of his eye, or the loss of Ellen. And she was shocked to learn that Saul, of all "people", was a Cylon.

[Craig]

Wasn't Starbuck's viper the 5th cylon?

Not are cylons are skin jobs!

[Joel Ford]

D'Anna said that four of the final five were in the fleet, but at the time Bill Adama and Baltar were on her ship....
anyways, i always thought that Baltar was actually a half breed.

[Richard]

People, why does this have to be Earth? There was nothing in the ruined skyline that hinted it was any recognizable city on Earth especially New York. If the writers wanted us to believe this is Earth wouldn't they have shown us a: broken Empire state bldg, Statue of Liberty, a few continent outlines or a distant shot of the Earth/Moon together? Maybe cruise past Saturn/Jupiter on the way in?? I would assume that they want us to believe it is Earth, after all this is a 'cliff hanger' of sorts. Since man evolved on Earth (unless you are an 'ID' person...) I would hazard that the writers will have us believe in the end that all 13 colonies were founded by Earth

[Scott]

It's all happened before. They're caught in an unending cycle. The humans and the rebel cylons will rejuvenate the Earth's atmosphere and settle on the planet. Eventually they'll form the ancestors of the *next cycle* of Earth's history. The other cylon faction will retreat to the nuked out twelve colonies and form the basis for the next cycle of the*twelve colonies*. Thus the twelve colonies will be destroyed by their metal cylons slaves all over again and venture out to find the thirteenth colony, which will have destroyed itself as the legacy of the original human/cylons.

Starbuck will prove the key in stopping the whole God awful cycle....

[David Schere]

Here is an idea for an alternate ending to Battlestar Galactica rolling a hard six.

An extra 2 minutes with one extra character at the ending:

Start with the closing scene as Saul looks at the ruins of a city.

Baltar cries out “this can’t be how it ends ..”

And a voice from behind them answers back, “No Gaius, it is not the ending, the cycle has been broken your race is now free”.

Startled they look behind them to see a simple man. A stranger wearing simple cloths.

“Easy there Laura”, he says to a weeping Laura Roslin, “things are not what they appear”.

“Who are you and who did this?” asks Lee Adama

“Well to answer your last question, your predecessors, the butchers you call ‘The Lords Of Cobal’, this was their handy work.” the face of the stranger now turning grim.

“And for that act of barbarism; the slaughter of 8 billion innocent lives and the near destruction of the natural world of Earth we damned their descendants to live out an endless cycle of death so they can feel the horror of being driven to near extinction, until their descendants learn how to forgive and make peace with the cylons”, the stranger smiles and walks towards Lee.

A startled Lee Adama asks, “How do you know our names?”.

“After 30 millennia of civilization hence, we no longer venture into space with matter but with our minds. It was our minds that have guided you’re here like an invisible hand of god. We know all of you, we have watched this drama unfold.”

He gazes at them all, “It is time for the future”.

How that ending?

[dclayton]

I honestly don't believe this show is supposed to take place in our distant past. What, an advanced civilization was constructed on Earth and then all traces of it entirely disappeared, before "we" showed up? (i.e. otherwise wouldn't "us" as descendants have found, um, obvious traces of a prior civilization?) Unlikely at best.

More likely, this show occurs far in the future. All humanity originates from Earth. When humans mastered faster-than-light travel, a terrible and dramatic event occurred on Earth. A mass migration away from Earth ensued, with intergalactic colonization of twelve colonies formed in replacement. Only through the degradation of history, and its subsequent replacement by mythology, did the true history of Earth get distorted into a semi-accurate religion and prophecy. The original colony of Earth began to be described inaccurately as the thirteenth colony.

In my mind, the interesting questions are: when were the Cylons created, and did they play any role in the terrible events on Earth that led to the great migration? Did the human-Cylon war originate on Earth? Did the timeline of Cylon development allow the Cylons, or their creator, to influence the mythology and prophecy in a way such that prophecy-specific roles and events could be assigned to the Cylon programming? Were the final four only revealed to themselves as Cylons after spending decades as "humans" in order for the Cylons to know humanity, in such that only they could bridge the gap between Cylons and humans? Many interesting questions emerge.

[ron]

the post by mb is awesome and right on target, i am a scifi diehard, and this show with its combination of writing, acting and special effects is the best in the history of science fiction in my book......everyone has great thoughts here, and one of mine is,,,,,,,who or what has been sending the songs and signals to those four cylons, when they "turned on" and when they told starbuck to check her viper? the visons to roslyn, baltar and sharon, and dienna, who saw the final five, where was starbuck and who put the coordinates implanted in the viper ? i believe these are all coming from something we have not seen yet, is there something or someone above the hybrid, God?

[Scuba]

I kept watching because writers promised: "All will be revealed".. that's all they kept saying, so we waited, and we watched, and we waited, arguably through some incredibly low budget filler shows, just to find out all 5 of the cylons. Was it really too much to ask to find out the last Cylon on that last show? Am I wrong to be upset because I believed the writers? I guess in the end, its all about money and disappointingly, I thought this show would be different. I thought the show would deliver what was promised, I thought that the fans were actually worthwhile somehow. I guess I'm wrong again. This is the last episode I will ever watch, truly disappointed with being lead by the carrot for so long just to find out - there was no carrot. .. Scuba

[cj]

The last cylon is Starbuck's dad. How do I know? You wouldn't believe me if I told you so I won't bother. Starbuck is the first hybrid created to "lead humanity to its end."

[Cm]

an incredible mid season ending, i was elated when they found earth but my heart sank when i saw the ruined cities.

although none of us really know what is going to happen, i have a few theories.

the whole "cycle" theory (all of this has happened before....) does seem relevant here, they could repopulate the earth, have another war with the cylons and move out to the 12 tribes again. Although i dont really see that as being an exciting ending in any way, it would make the last 10 episodes very boring so i rule that out.

If you look at the wreckage surrounding the group on the surface of the planet the rubble nearest to them looks like that of a temple, maybe they are simply at a planet that points the way to earth, like kobol in series 2.

The whole idea of starbuck being the harbinger of death could be relevant here, she was the one that touched the compass guider thing on the viper so maybe this is just some doomed planet.

The final cylon is the trickiest part of the show, there's still so much to explain and on top of that there is this, i mean why does baltar have the visions of himself and 6, why does Roslin dream about an opera house and hera, what will become of the cylons?
Personally i think that Zac Adalma could be a cylon, although it is not likely. Other candidates are Starbuck, and definitely Baltar. Also, if anyone remembers correctly, Lee Adama once had strange visions like some other cylons, so he is also a contender.
I do think that eventually all the cylons will have to die though. These are only theories though, and none of us actually have a clue what is going to happen.

I just cannot wait to find out who it is, and i can bet you my bottom dollar that when we all find out who it is, it will blow our minds.

[Jessica]

According to the legend, the great leader will die before reaching earth or something... at first I thought, "Why is Laura still alive?" She needs to die before they even arrive on Earth. I also agree with a previous post that the writers didn't give us any indication that the planet WAS earth... Where is the moon? The constellations could fit, but maybe they are on the other side or angle of the galaxy... or maybe on Alpha Centari or adjacent galaxy. So in short, I think they are not at Earth, but pretty darn close to it.

[Cm]

also perhaps they never recolonise earth, maybe they just get there, realise its a load of smoking rubbish, and then go back to the colonies and make peace with the cylons. The cylons go away, evolve even more, and then years later come back to attack the humans, which causes a mass exodus and the cycle starts over again.

[LA_alter_ego]

Anyone but me think that there's a link betwee Laura Roslin's cancer and her being a cylon?

[fish4lunch]

just want to share, they missed noticing a scene where a camera man was included in the shot.

here's a screenie:
[IMG]http://www.fileupyours.com/files/185295/Season1-ep15.jpg[/IMG]

[JP Hayden]

I suspect that the "revelation" will be that the planet they discovered is indeed, not Earth. Although a pretty, marble blue planet was shown, no identifiable continents, or our Moon, etc.. were depicted that would confirm the planet as Earth.

Who is the 5th Cylon? Is the planet they found the 13th Colony... with Earth being the alledged 14th Colony? Will Larry find out that Jane is actually carrying Brad's baby? Inquiring minds want to know... but they want to know now. The really big question is... will anyone care after an 8 month mid-season delay?

[FreedomFighter]

I keep seeing everyone state that the Earth had been destroyed by a war, presumable by the people on earth. Could the Earth have been hit by an asteriod? Was this really Earth? Could the other cylons have gotten there years ago and destroyed it and no one knew. There was an episode where there were rogue Cylons, the old kind, could they have destroyed Earth. I for one was really disappointed with this last episode, especially after the long off season last fall and now Eath is presumable destroyed. I thought this was a really bad piece of writing.

[Fantasm]

Has nobody noticed that there are 13 colonies???
That would mean that earth is the 14th planet....
Definition of Colony:
1. a group of people who settle in a new country but remain under the rule of their homeland
2. the territory occupied by such a settlement

So I would gues that it is not earth they have found but the 13th colony...

[BSG is Crap]

Wow, I was really blown away by BSG season 1 and 2. The show was gritty and realistic. The characters were compelling. It was a great saga of human struggle in space. Couldn't wait for season 3. I don't have TV so I watch em on DVD. I've been struggling to get through season 3 the past few months. I kept having to shelve it since it was so awful. I was told it recovers its footing at the end. So I sat down and finished the last few episodes.

I'm not even going to bother finishing the series. Talk about tossing out any sense or realism in the show. I could handle the mysticism in seasons 1 and 2, but it has gone way too far in season 3 and it sounds like it only gets worse from here on out. For anyone who knows ANYTHING about trial proceedings, the whole Baltar trial was painful to watch. Was there even a prosecutor present? As for the characters, none of them behave in any fashion along the lines of their character traits established in seasons 1 and 2.

The show was once interesting and thought-provoking. Its now a pile of crap. I morn its loss.

[SithEye]

Maybe we've already seen #5 of the Final 5. Remember, the viper that returned with Cara was the one that brought them all together and revealed the location of Earth. It was prophesized that when the final 5 united they would lead the human race to Earth. Why can't the viper be a hybrid cylon and fighter and the last of the 5? Something to think about.

[SithEye]

By far the best series on TV. I love this show and it pains me to have to wait such long periods between seasons. I'll do it... but I won't like it.

I had an epiphony one day thinking about the Final 5. What if the last of the 5 was the Viper Kara came back with. Didn't the prophesy say that "the 5 will lead them to the 13th" colony when they were united? Wasn't it the Viper that brought them all together just prior to finding the location of Earth? Why does the 5th have to be a skinjob? Something to thnk about.

[rodraf]

* I dont know if this been publish before. But remember the prophesy? The leader (Rosilin) will not see this new home.

* I dont know. That might Earth it might not.

* Remember also that the cylons had been saying that this been cycle thats been repeating itself. Earth might have been destroyed, hundreds, even thousands of years ago, like New Caprica was drestroyed by the Cylons... or...

* Where they arrived was the cylons old home... i remember an episode when Starbucks was interrogating one of the skinjobs, and he said "Last time i was the one doing the question and you were in my place"... once again i'm just rambling...

I dont know what do you think?