Minutemen, others march in L.A. to protest illegal immigration

In May, it was immigrants marching for immigration reform. This weekend, about 50 protesters marched in downtown Los Angeles on Saturday to decry violence by illegal immigrants and to demand that the Los Angeles Police Department change its controversial policy, Special Order 40, limiting when someone can be questioned about their immigration status, writes the L.A. Times' Anna Gorman.

The marchers, including anti-illegal-immigration Minutemen and local community activists, also called for justice for Jamiel Shaw II, 17, a black athlete who was shot and killed in March by an alleged gang member who authorities say was in the country illegally.

Photo: Dozens of protesters, including anti-illegal-immigration Minutemen and community activists, march along Broadway in downtown L.A. to decry violence by illegal immigrants and to demand that the Los Angeles Police Department change its controversial policy limiting when someone can be questioned about their immigration status. Credit: Benajamin Reed, Los Angeles Times

-- Deborah Bonello in Mexico City

Comments

[Meritorious_Soso]

It is unfortunate that we must depend upon private citizens to defend our borders.

Don't believe local officials who say they can't do anything.

I moved across country to Prince William County, Virginia a few years ago. It was 30% Hispanic and natives said it was zero just ten years ago.

County government passed law requiring all agencies, esp police, to establish legal status of foreigners. Hispanic population fell to five percent in two years and plenty of homes to choose from.

There are places that satirize Americans for losing control of their borders. THEY ARE SATIRE, SO TAKE IT EASY. They don't insult foreigners.

http://americansecretsocietyofillegals.blogspot.com/ is a blog that has daily updates from the "illegals" point of view. Very funny.

There is a book just published called "The Official Secret Handbook of Illegal Immigrants," which purports to be the guide that all undocumented use. Again it satirizes Americans, not foreigners.

You can buy it on Amazon.com or here is the direct liink: http://www.amazon.com/Official-Secret-Handbook-Illegal-Immigrants/dp/1438264313/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218891196&sr=8-1

[Phil]

The fact that the pro illegals need to use the race card is a good reason to stop all immigration from Mexico.
Mexicans will just cause racial problems.
They are underachievers and will need to use the
race card to get ahead. 50% dropout of school.
I've noticed people from places such as India who
have dark skin that are doctors, engineers, and college
professors. They don't seem to have any problem because of their skin color and don't need the race card.
These are the type of people we should have for immigrants.
Getting ahead in this country should be based
on merit.

[linda]

By some of these ridiculous comments, I am going to stick up for the Minutemen. It is obvious that some of you people have no idea what really goes on in the KKK. The Minutemen are no where near the KKK or. the Nazi party or any type of group that are related.

People really need to take hate groups seriously and find out what they are really all about.

I would suggest before you all decide to label people that you should do your homework.

[Valley guy]

It's amazing how the media takes this case and turns it into an racial/immigration issue. When a black gangbanger shot a group of hispanics at a bus stop, the media ignored this incident. During the same week that Shaw was killed, a 13yo hispanic was shot and killed by black gang members, yet this murder was virtually ignored by the press. Alex Alonso reports that Shaw had a myspace acct where there was gang signs thrown around, yet the judge in the Shaw case refuses to allow the defense to inquire about whether Shaw was a gangmember. Throughout the US, including CA, blacks have attacked and murdered immigrants. Yet this is not worthy of news. It's clear who's playing the race card here.

[Myke]

Are illegals actually dumb enough to think that the people for amnesty and open borders actually care about them? This has nothing to do with race of compassion. Big business want the illegals here so they can drive down wages. And the Mexican government is helping them and are selling out their people. Why didn't the politicians of a wealthy country like Mexico build a country that would provide decent paying jobs for their families. Why does Mexico pimp out their people to America for businesses paying slaves wages? What has the government in Mexico ever done for its people. Why do they allow American companies to build in Mexico and pay their people slaves wages? Mexicos elites and American elites want to turn America into another Mexico. So that we will all work for slaves wages. And if amensty happens you will be no better off than you were in Mexico. There will be so many people trying to survive that wages will drop and you will work for $3.00 a day just as in Mexico. If you had fought for decent paying jobs and safer working conditions in Mexico like Americans did in America you would not be in this predicament. Americans fought for these rights to make a decent living and illeglas are helping big business to take those rights from us by coming here and undercutting wages. Any of you who believe that the people who want amnesty have any compassion for you is wrong. Your corrupt government and our corrupt government is using you and in the end America will give you no more than Mexico did. Free medical and welfare will end. And you will be no better off than you were in Mexico.

[Meme7]

Also to Krishna's Army:
What are looky-loo's ???

[MeMe7]

50 People? ha! That is too funny.

Also, to "Krisna's Army", since when is it a felony to harbor someone who is here illegally?

That law was suggested by Rep. Sensenbrenner in 2006 but it definitely did not pass.

[Valley Mom]

Abel, I'm glad that you had more than 50 people at your graduation party and that you graduated from school. Jamiel Shaw didn't get that opportunity and that's what the march was about. So what if a controversial group, the Minutemen, took up the cause. If you examined the backgrounds of everyone supporting your favorite candidate (let me guess...Obama?) would you write off his candidacy because some supporters were controversial? The "better story" as you put it, isn't about the Minutemen, it's about Jamiel Shaw. And instead of boasting about the attendance at your graduation, you could have some compassion for his parents who live in this city and who probably read everything they can about about his cause. How many people were at Jamiel Shaw's graduation party? Oh, that's right - he didn't have one. "Better story" my petunie. Your callousness is appalling.

[Abel Johnson]

50 marchers? Is that it? In LA? I had 50 people at my graduation party. I hardly call this even worthy of reporting. The fact that the Minuteman Project is on it's way out--of money, resources and allies that is--is a better story to report on. The ironic part of the story that should have been reported is the fact that the Minuteman Project has been stacked from the very beginning with white supremicists.

Sad for those very few African Americans participating in the march. I guess Teddy Hayes needs to ride someone's coattails. Why not the Minuteklan Project? I wonder how much the MMP is stuffing in his pocket to stack his followers up with white supremecists and mexican haters. What a joke.

[Krishna's Army]

The harboring of any illegal alien is a felony punishable by law.

When we marched down Broadway in that heat, I only saw illegal alien merchants and looky-loos, like I was in Mexico city. The only Americans downtown were the marchers.

Antonio Villaraigosa has broken immigration law, not once but millions of times. He should get LIFE IN PRISON, SO HE CAN HANG OUT WITH HIS MEXICAN MAFIA BUDDIES IN THEIR LITTLE CASTILLO (CASTLE).

[cooper]

Special Order 40 needs to be abolished. But I don't see that happening with out mayor and the City Council who genuflect to certain so called legal and civil rights groups. How many more innocent Jamiel Shaws will have to die before people realize whats really going on here?

[Atwater Villager]

I was a supporter of immigrant rights until Sunday. I was in an accident with a guy who not only blamed me, he was aggressive towards me. I no longer support their rights. I am American and while I do have experience with racist Caucasoids, the issue is immigration. Ethnic American conflict is another issue completely separate of this issue. Mexicans are the majority on the immigration side and Caucasoids on the other. I am American first.

[sendThemaway]

It's the sign of a true racists when they yell "RACISM" for enforcing the law.

Special order 40 WAS NOT authorized by the Citizens of LA.

It is racists Mexicans who think they should some how be given "SPECIAL" treatment.

La RAZA = KKK! (with Brown hoods)

[M A Andrews]

To those brainwashed by La Raza(The Race)

Its not Mexicans ,its Illegal Aliens! Mexico just happens
to be 80% of the problem because Mexico's Agenda
is in creating an Illegal Mexican Nation within the borders of the USA with Los Angeles as its Capital ! The rest of
the USA is now waking up to this invasion and
focusing on the Sanctuary Cities and quisling pandering
politicians for removal, prosecution and recal !l
Let it start here with our Mecha mayor tony villar!!

[Terry]

It's not racial and it's not anti-mexican! It's the law!

Federal Judges in Missouri and Arizona Deny Challenges to State and Local Licensing Laws Sanctioning Use of Unauthorized Alien Workers.

The right of state and local governments to sanction business entities that employ unauthorized alien workers, by suspending their business licenses, has received two major endorsements from federal courts. These recent decisions confirm important legal doctrines that favor state and local enforcement in employment, contracting, public services, and related areas.

Federal courts are finding that the field of immigration enforcement is not preempted entirely by Congress, and are denying facial challenges to the constitutionality of carefully constructed state and local laws. In addition, federal courts are expressing new skepticism about the standing of illegal aliens to challenge state and local immigration enforcement laws in federal court.

The two new decisions from Missouri and Arizona reinforce the December 2007 opinions by federal judges in the Eastern District of Virginia (upholding an IRLI-designed local law enforcement and anti-sanctuary ordinance against a facial challenge by anonymous illegal aliens), and the Northern District of Oklahoma (upholding the IRLI-designed omnibus Taxpayer and Citizens Protection Act).

Gray et al. v. City of Valley Park, No. 4:07-cv-00881-ERW (Eastern District of Missouri)

Claims by MALDEF and the ACLU alleging that a municipal complaint system in a St. Louis suburb was unconstitutional and discriminated against Hispanics were rejected on January 21, 2007, when U.S. District Judge Webber granted Valley Park's motion for summary judgment. The Valley Park ordinance, drafted with input from IRLI attorneys, allows citizens and local businesses to file complaints with the town code enforcement office alleging that licensed businesses are using illegal aliens as employees or workers within the town. The business that is the subject of the complaint must then promptly provide the City information that allows the City to verify their authorized employment status with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, or risk suspension of its license to do business.

The decision gives state and local governments a green-light to enact similar ordinances to combat illegal immigration. Judge Webber's findings included that (1) "federal law specifically permits such licensing laws as the one at issue"; (2) both the ordinance and the federal law provide for voluntary participation in the E-Verify program, unless a business is found to be in violation of either the local ordinance or the federal law, in which case participation becomes mandatory; (3) there was no evidence of alleged discrimination against Hispanics or any other equal protection concern; and (4) the Valley Park ordinance "unquestionably" provided both pre and post-deprivation due process protection to business owners.

This decision confirms that specific language in the Immigration Reform and Control Act (see 8 U.S.C. §1324a(h)(2)), permits state and local governments to enact licensing laws combating illegal immigration.... The court dismissed the reasoning in the 2007 Hazleton case (now on appeal before the Third Circuit) as "irrelevant." The decision represents a defeat for the pernicious MALDEF tactic of intimidating small local governments through threats of costly litigation.

Arizona Contractors Ass'n. et al v. Candelaria et al. No. CV07-2496-PHX (District of Arizona)

On February 7, 2008, days after the Valley Park victory, U.S. District Judge Wake issued an even more sweeping grant of summary judgment to the Arizona county attorneys who are directed by Arizona's Legal Arizona Workers Act (LAWA) to enforce a statewide ban on the use of illegal alien workers by licensed Arizona businesses. Enacted as HB 2279 and sponsored by... State Representative Russell Pearce, LAWA was signed into law by Governor Napolitano on July 2, 2007 and is currently the toughest state business sanctions law in the nation.

Judge Wake rejected facial challenges to LAWA on numerous grounds, finding that (1) the business licensing enforcement approach was approved by Congress, (2) states have an interest in preventing the disproportionate harm to the state economy caused by the employment of illegal aliens, (3) states may exercise their inherent police power in the area of business licensing, (4) enhanced state enforcement activity beyond the capability of federal agents did not constitute discrimination of any sort, (5) states and cities may make the voluntary federal E-Verify system mandatory within their jurisdictions, (6) LAWA complaint investigation procedures did not infringe the due process of either the employer or the employee, and (7) LAWA did not violate the Commerce clause because it had no extra-territorial effect outside of Arizona.

The plaintiffs then immediately appealed the decision, seeking an emergency stay to delay implementation of the new law by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. The Ninth Circuit denied the "emergency" stay in late February, and HB 2779 is now the law of the state. Anecdotal media and government agency reports suggest that tens of thousands of illegal alien workers and their dependents have already left the state, many returning permanently to Mexico.

Because state and local sanctions threaten the ability of many employers to maximize profits by employing cheap illegal alien workers, ... continued litigation to challenge individual parts of state and local measures

[James]

I can see how these marchers can be likened to a KKK group disregarding their race in a common hate for the hispanic newcomers. America has always have had people like this, hating the new immigrant because they feel threatened they will take their jobs and in many instances they are right. These newcomers have always come to work making the country a more productive place, while those who complain are the lazy ones who cry to the government for protection of their stupidity. Come on people, there are criminals of all races and backgrounds, yes those people need to go to jail, but to single a few is just not right. Instead work on improving yourselves, read a little, learn a new skill, go to school, don't sit your fat lazy ass and complain about everything, make yourselves competitive in these evolving world.

[Hernandez, proud US]

Excuse me "Posted by: jkf | June 22, 2008 at 09:52 PM"

Mister Anti_Mexican you obviously are not an American or your one of the confused American Latinos Traitors whom think they are living in Mexico.

And NO those are not KKK members and this is NOT a RACE issue as the Media and Liberal politics want.

Those Blessed marches are 100% LEGAL AMERICAN citizens, from all races and religions whom are SICK and TIRED of the lack of political will to stop the invasion of the US by criminals.

Even the EU (Europe) is in the process of kicking out all their ILLEGAL (Criminal) ALIENS and sending them all home.

The CITY OF L.A will be free of the criminals and the MAYOR can join them as he is a a traitor to the US and in times of war, that can be a dangerous thing.

It's time for the mayor and the council to step down, and let the City elect politicians that care about AMERICANS and not about RACE.

[DinTN]

Check out www.baldwin2008.com.
“There will be no “path to citizenship” given to any illegal alien. That means no amnesty. Not in any shape, manner, or form. I would not allow tax dollars to be used to pay for illegal aliens’ education, social services, or medical care. As President, I would end birthright citizenship for illegal aliens. There would be no “anchor babies” during my administration.’
“A Baldwin Administration will support our U.S. Border Patrol, not with meaningless words, but with action. And I guarantee you this: The day before my inauguration as President will be the last day the that Mr. Ramos and Mr. Campean will have to spend in prison. They will be released from prison on the first day that I that I am President and be returned to their jobs with the US Border Patrol if they still want them. Their persecution by the Bush Administration has been a disgrace and a nightmare for these gentlemen and their families. The nightmare ends the day I become President!”

[jkf]

Well, those groups are clearly anti-Mexican, so it isn't that far off to liken them to the KKK. They're largely animated by bigotry against Hispanic, which becomes obvious every time they speak. Many of them use derogatory slurs, such as "anchor babies", condescendingly, against Mexican kids in general. They don't know the immigration status of anyone they choose to denigrate.
Thankfully there seemed to be only 50 of them. Clearly these people don't represent what LA is all about, in terms of social progression and tolerance. It's more reminiscent of a klan march in Mississippi once you've heard what they're capable of saying, about Hispanics. Of course, not all of them are as extreme as the next, but still.

[Bettybb]

Time to return America to the rule of law.. not the rule of the mob.

Abolish Special Orider 40.

Enforce our immigration laws to the letter.

Our immigration laws were passed democratically. The elite by not enforcing them is overturning our democractic process and creating special rules for the few.

Enough.

The mayors of LA, Seattle and Oakland are up in arms... they think it is a travesty that ICE would do even the minimual enforcement that is being done now. One has to wonder if the Mexican Drug Cartel is influening these politicians decisions.

[Brittanicus]

My commentaries in newspapers around the country, carries the story of the carnage that is acted every day, under the protection of Special Order 40.

Some state Governor, Mayors and faint-hearted followers, are led rather than lead. A case in point is Los Angeles, Special order 40, that over twenty nine years since its obnoxious inception, has been instrumental in the deaths of hundreds of innocent citizens. A case in point the cold-blooded murder of Jamiel Shaw, at the hands of an illegal alien. It has pandered to the criminal filth, that has crossed the border from third world countries, where death and violence is an everyday occurence. Laws have been intentionally distorted to allow the propagation of gangs of illegal aliens to roam the streets of big cities. Sanctuary cities have become a nemesis of its innocent victims, and a refuge for millions of illegal aliens committing immigration crimes.
Some US states have fought back, but are limited in their power. Tainted leading Democrats are intentionally obstructing the only law, that can curtail once and for all, the massive illegal immigration invasion of our country.

Thousands of small, and large organization across this nation are using donated dollars to fight for their sovereignty. However entities like La Raza ( the Race) and other anti-American groups, have tapped into the public coffers using the influence of left wing politicians to support their views.

Alas, there is a large criminal mentality, that has spread to America with the gigantic influx of people from across the Southern border. Americans are a compassionate people, but with the 12 to 30 million illegal alien occupation of our country has come the deranged filth of humanity. It doesn't seem to matter to many of our corrupt politicians, that amongst the cheap labor has come an inventory of unhinged, violent individuals.

The biased media will not reveal the ugly truth? About the incessant murders, female and child violations, the drunken drivers and the carnage that goes on in every community within our borders. Each day their is an incessant small reports of (DUI) intoxicated illegal immigrants, not generally found in the national press. These incidents are mostly suppressed because of the current uproar about the illegal immigration invasion. Our courts are overworked, our jails and prisons full, so many of these individuals are released back into the general public again. Many receive a slap on the wrist and then go out on the roads, to ultimately kill innocent families. As an example Special Order 40 in Los Angeles county has allowed violent gangs to propagates. This is far from an isolated incident, as the press does not elaborate that this goes on unfettered around the country.

The unrestricted evidence about our open border and the pending Federal SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) and the new Presidents AMNESTY.This national law would also begin to remove criminal aliens from our society. It would give extra teeth to all immigration laws now on the books. Demand the SAVE ACT! (2022243121 ) Unsuppressed details at NUMBERSUSA.

[J. Smith]

Thank you, to those who marched on Saturday (and in triple digit temperatures!)

The Los Angeles Police Protection League supports Dennis Zine's Amendment. Jamiel's Law has more "teeth." Both would amend Special Order 40 and require LAPD officers to check the immigration status of gang members under investigation who they believe are illegal aliens - even if the suspects are not under arrest.

For those who are interested in making this city safe for our children, email city councilmembers at www.lacity.org and tell them that Special Order 40 must be abolished, or at the very least, amended. We cannot continue with a "don't ask - don't tell" policy when it comes to gang members who are here illegally.

[Irene]

On the other site there was a comment calling the demonstrators "KKK". They are African Americans, who can call them KKK?? Only open border lobbyists.