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Voter Voices: Readers offer their analysis of election results, from illegal immigration to taxes

VoicesTimes readers have been sending us their take on the election results. There's been much discussion about the reason Jerry Brown bested Meg Whitman and why Barbara Boxer appears at this point to be leading Carly Fiorina.

Some readers believe the controversy over the immigration status of Whitman's former nanny hurt her. But others worry that Brown will raise taxes. Here is a sampling of readers’ reactions and analysis about the results:


That Illegal immigrant issue hurt Meg, its a learning curve to all those that would follow her footsteps.

--Janice 

Whitman spending was a world record. She was also totally unprepared for housekeeper Nicky Diaz's statement against her. Public could see Whitman's guilt and no amount of money could have rescued her candidacy. The other factor which came out in her debate with Brown was that she never voted in previous elections. She gave the appearance of an amateur loaded with cash, hoping that money would bring in victory.

--Vkmo

What a horrible blow to America for foolish Californians return Ms. Boxer to the senate. She is emblematic of all that it wrong with our legislature. A devastating shame.

--Watson

Are you happy now California? You're going broke and instead of voting for two successful business people you vote for two career politicians who have never accomplished half of what their opponents had. You truly deserve the government you elect. No wonder you're broke.

--Jrfromdallas

If you hate California so much, maybe you could move ? Brown and Boxer have always been good for California. Carry on.

--Rocco

Get ready for your property taxes to go up. Jerry Brown can't wait to raise taxes so he can pay back the unions for their support. Good job, Californians, I hope you enjoy paying for the unions unfunded pensions and outrageous benefits packages.

 

--Carla

Proposition 19 loss:

A sad day for the good guys, but at least we have made this big of an attempt. this is not the last time you will hear of prop 19! it will one day be legal!

--Sad

Even if the proposition does not pass, it will serve to gauge sentiment for the issue of pot legalization. It will eventually be legalized. I just wished that the social conservatives who are likely voting against it, were being honest about their consumption. I guess they'd rather continue to keep their drug deals in flop-houses and dark alleys.

--Eric

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With as savy as Whitman is i can't believe she did not know her house keeper was illegal and then made a big deal out of firing her. It just goes to show you can"t buy our votes.
Obama is doing his best to clean up Bushes mess. give the man a chance. it is always love hate with some one in office.


im optimistic, this election had big turnouts, knowing i the first part to learning our choices will be wiser, out youth is involved.......we are a bright future.......freak the politicians......we will manipulate them

This election is proof that Nevada and California illegals have more stolen ID's to vote than in Arizona. I bet Nevada and California gained lots of "Democrats" after they started fleeing Arizona.


The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax; http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html

Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html

TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10

This week, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) came out with a report entitled, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, which discusses the costs of unauthorized immigration to the United States. As usual, FAIR has put out a highly misleading fiscal snapshot of the costs allegedly imposed on U.S. taxpayers by unauthorized immigrants and completely discounts the economic contributions of unauthorized workers and consumers. Moreover, FAIR inflates their costs in a variety of ways and conveniently ignores any contributions that would offset these costs.

While the publication is long and deals with a wide range of issues that warrant more dissection by credible economic experts, the trade publication Education Week has already begun the deconstruction with an item that sheds light on their misleading claims about providing English language services in schools.


Another argument FAIR makes, which makes it hard to glean what their solution would be is the high cost of deporting undocumented workers which FAIR blames on the immigrants themselves. It's a somewhat circular argument to say that the cost of undocumented immigrants includes the cost of failing law enforcement efforts. So, in essence, FAIR is saying that the deport-them-all approach costs too much money and doesn't work. Yet their "solution" is to spend even more money on enforcement.

FAIR's data is meant only to reinforce their vision of "attrition through enforcement." It is not rooted in an effort to move the immigration debate forward. Therefore, passing comprehensive immigration reform - which would yield a cumulative $1.5 trillion in added U.S. gross domestic product over 10 years - is the only sound economic decision the United States can make.

SOURCE Immigration Policy Center


Who’s behind these laws?

The Immigration Reform Law Institute, or IRLI, the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, drafted the Arizona law and most of the copycat bills. The Southern Poverty Law Center designated FAIR a hate group because of its founder’s writings, its repeated participation with white nationalist groups, and its receipt of major funding from a racist organization.

Copycat laws frequently rely on the work of attorney Kris Kobach, who works for IRLI. Kobach’s lawyering has cost localities who have hired him millions of dollars while the laws have been found unconstitutional. The Arizona law was brought forth by State Senator Russell Pearce, who the Arizona press has described as having a history of associating with neo-Nazis and sending anti-Semitic emails.

Calfornia is condemned to see its population get younger, poorer and less educated and Los Angeles will continue to be the Illegal Alien and Gang Capitol of the USA!
California's Gold has turned to Tin and the state will be begging for a "bailout " within a year!

Very Sad!!

You bet we are all planning to move out of California rather than paying those high salary, super benefits and ridiculous compensation the State Union Workers get. I can't wait to get rid of all my asset here.

They are not going to get my hard earn money.

well, as a Latina I was ready to vote for Meg 2010 based on her impressive resume as a successful business leader, I was 100% committed to her and it was going to be my first time voting republican . The truth is I could not get pass her actions in relation to Nikky ( her housekeeper of 9 years ) the issue hits to close to home and its impossible to ignore, she seemed cold and not genius about her beliefs regarding immigrants. But overall it was her apparent lack of compassion towards Nikky the hardest thing to ignore. Belief what you want...but having some one serve you, clean for you and take care of your family for 9 years ....later suggest she be deported.... just doesn't add up as something a good person would do.
I belief this is the main reason she lost.

s a young 18 year old, the first time I voted was for Jerry Brown. He was and will be a great governor. He was financially prudent, choosing to invest in school systems, jobs for California, and supporting Prop 13. CALIFORNIA HAD THE BEST SCHOOL SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY UNDER JERRY’S TENURE. The UC and State Universities were practically free during his tenure and the I remembering paying $50.00 to attend the College of San Mateo, a junior college, per year. Student loans were affordable and a middle class family could aspire and educate their kids. As a parent now putting my own kids through college, I am looking at paying $30,000 per year for my daughter to go to UCLA. The tuition increased $10,000 during The Terminators tenure ( I know I paid it for my oldest daughter to attend UCLA), and would have increased even more with Whitman. Whitman would have done what she did at Ebay, put education out to the highest bidder and only those who could pay would be educated.

GO JERRY! GO GIANTS! GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK IN OFFICE!

Don't worry CA, the rest of the country is going to help you out and send ole nancy back home to you! Looks like you're going to need all the help you can get because its highly unlikely you'll get any more bail out money from washington$$$

When I think of all the money spent on campaigns....the millions and millions of dollars.....I think to myself, would not the best "ad" be doing and not talking? Perhaps donating those millions to schools would be the best use of that money. It sickens me to see so much money spent on elections, by people who "talk of" bettering California. How useful those millions would be to so many programs instead of robocalls (which are an insult to a persons intelligence) and endless ads that get tossed in my recycle bin, and the constant propaganda and negative bashing that hits the airwaves. The money is absolutely wasted. Yes people need to "campaign", I am just incredibly disappointed in what campaigning has become, how much it costs, and how ugly it is. Meanwhile the rest of us keep our fingers crossed that SOMEONE will actually be a leader and fix things once in office....starting with education, jobs, wasteful spending, fraud that sucks money out of our state. Perhaps if we focus on education, our future leaders will be more intelligent and civil.
My guess is that if we combined every dollar that has gone into campaigning around the country, or even in this state, huge chunks could be removed from our deficits, or put into vital programs. THAT would be real change, truly make a difference, and truly help the people of this state and country.

Arnold, is a business man, and look at the state now. If Carly cared about CA she would never have out-source 30,000 jobs out the country. The feds. have given our Tax Dollars to companies to out-source jobs to other countries, and that started with Ronnie. Ronnie, futhermore, out -source the post office to business, and the service is down. The post office is only hiring part time employees while the Big Shots get the money in their checks.

Yay, California for confirming our love of Democracy and Democrats! Of course we've hobbled them with Prop 26 – the Strangle the Government Amendment.

A few hundred thousand ILLEGAL aliens would be a big problem and cause concern from many citizens of this country. 12 to 30 million ILLEGAL aliens here is an INVASION! There will always be resentment and bad feeling towards all Latinos as long as the majority of us support this criminal behavior. The 1986 amnesty made the problem worse...another amnesty will lead to the destruction of this nation. All countries must have rule of law and control of their borders or they cease to be a nation.

America sent a message to the Democrats yesterday and we hope they listen.

Illegal Immigration is putting Americaon it's knees and we can all voice our opinions to the new GOP. Cut the social programs, free education and birthright citizenship.

Until there are jobs for 25 million out of work citizens we do not want to hear one word about amnesty. America is broke!

FACT: Los Angeles County paid $52 to illegal immigrants in welfare checks for the month of July alone! Tell me they're not freeloaders!!!!!

A few hundred thousand ILLEGAL aliens would be a big problem and cause concern from many citizens of this country. 12 to 30 million ILLEGAL aliens here is an INVASION! There will always be resentment and bad feeling towards all Latinos as long as the majority of us support this criminal behavior. The 1986 amnesty made the problem worse...another amnesty will lead to the destruction of this nation. All countries must have rule of law and control of their borders or they cease to be a nation.

I lived in California for 13 years. I am a Mexican/American descent and have been in this Country for over 50 years. Knowing what I know today and being an educated citizen, I have no doubt that millions of Americans in CA and across the Country primarily minority groups vote with the Democratic Party because most of these people are uninformed, uneducated and some people plain dumm. How Sad! Well, California residents will and are paying the price for their stupidity with higher taxes in electing corrupt politicians. Senator Boxer and Governor-Elect Jerry Brown are the cliche of what is wrong with California and those who voted for these politicians will experience that the state of the economy in CA will not improve much. The Unions will have control of these politicians. CA is BROKE and the USA is also broke. Now that the House will be controlled by the GOP I doubt the Feds will send any money to bail them out. Also, little or nothing will happen because corruption is entrenched by electing the same people back to office. Good Luck!


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