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Comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany is wrong, Jewish group tells L.A. politicians

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/images/2008/09/26/marvinhier.jpgIs Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigration really comparable to Nazi Germany?

The comparison was made by some on the L.A. City Council on Wednesday as the body approved a boycott against Arizona. But one leading Jewish group says its "irresponsible" to liken the Arizona law to Nazi tactics.

“The Wiesenthal Center along with many other Americans expressed our opposition to the language of the Arizona immigration bill but it is inappropriate and irresponsible to link the bill to the actions of Nazi Germany,” Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the center, said in a statement. “In a democracy, there is no need to demonize opponents, even when they are mistaken, to those whose actions led to history's most notorious crime."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/28/mahony.jpgOn Wednesday, council members compared Arizona’s action to Nazi Germany and the beginning of the Holocaust, as well as to the internment and deportation of Japanese Americans during World War II. A new Arizona law, which will take effect July 23, will require police to determine whether people they stop are in the country illegally, which critics say will lead to racial profiling.

In April, Cardinal Roger Mahony also compared Arizona's law to Nazism. "American people are fair-minded and respectful. I can't imagine Arizonans now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques whereby people are required to turn one another in to the authorities on any suspicion of documentation," Mahony wrote on his blog. 

A Wiesenthal Center official did agree with Mahony that the Arizona law is wrong. “This isn’t about immigration, it’s about discrimination,” Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the center, said in a statement. “We should not forget that we’re a nation of immigrants. This law makes no sense -- it guarantees and stigmatizes people of color as second-class citizens and exposes them to intimidation and the use of racial profiling as a weapon of bias."

-- Shelby Grad

Photos: Marvin Hier, Roger Mahony. L.A. Times files.

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If Arizona's illegal immigration laws are equivalent to what the Nazis did, does it not follow that what the Nazis did was really not that bad after all?

i hate to look at that disguisting roger mahoney, did nothing on pedophile priest.

Hitler DEMANDED his nazi troops confront people and demand proof of citzenship. And God forbid you weren't, off to the camps if you had no proof.

I've never been to Mexico for more than 3 hours, I don't even own a passport. But I'm brown as hell, so its OK for a cop to ask me "Proof of citizenship". When see my freakin license I'll be sure to say" HAIL HITLER...HAIL BREWER...HAIL ARPIAO". Any other nazi followers I forget.


If you really want to see profiling, keep boycotting Arizona. You are going to go from a situation where hispanics might be profiled by a cop for illegal immigration, to being profiled by a pissed of American in the sights of a rifle who thinks he's losing his country to Mexican loyalists. I'm not promoting either situation, but people like L.A.'s city council are certainly pushing people to the latter of those scenarios. If you are of hispanic ethnicity, which of those two situations would you prefer to be in? It's only going to take one ugly confrontation to throw us into another civil war over this issue.

Everyone keeps saying "our counrty" or "our land", this is nothing new. People must remember that we have "always" had an imigration problem in this country. Just ask any Native American,they can tell you all about it.

Did they tell the Teabaggers, Fox News, and Glenn Beck that this is also wrong? Where is your story on this comparison that has been going since last summer?Where was the L.A. Times and Simon Wiesenthal Center then?

Arizona and Nazi Germany. I guess they're right. I mean what's it matter, I'm not a Hispanic or a Gypsie....

“In Germany, they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up.”

Strider1957 Martin Niemoeller quote

Your papers please.

Of course comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany is wrong. If we need a valid comparison for a state that is racist, engages in racial profiling and indiscriminately stops people to demand identification papers then we should be comparing Arizona to Israel. Why isn't the international community organizing a boycott against Israel for the very same reasons?

We are a nation of immigrants, but we are also a nation of laws. Lawful immigration is not the issue here, nor is race. The issue is illegal immigration.

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.' Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.' Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Many people bringing up Nazi Germany are actually missing something here. The Nazi party was a response to the loss of WWI by the Germans, which started from a battle between Integration vs. German Patriotism. That is what we are about to have here. German Patriotism lost in WWI. The present situation is not like Hitler's rise to power, it is the situation that LED to Hitler's rise to power after the fact. In the case of Germany, they had already lost the fight for German Patriotism, and the German's followed Hitler because they wanted their country back. If American Patriotism loses this coming battle, THEN you'll see an uprising similar to Nazi Germany as Americans fight to get their country back.

The City of Los Angeles is wrong. As a business owner I am required by law to require that individuals applying for work at my company show proof of their US status. If I do not do this I will be fined heavely by the Federal government. It is not racial profiling but rather living within the immigration law and who has the legal right to work in the United States. Arizona has that right as a State of the Union to enforce those laws also.

I tell you what. Maybe what we should tell the City, obey and respect the immigration laws or we don't pay our taxes because you are in violation of the laws and miss-using our tax money. Perhaps we should tell business owners move out of a city that refuses to obey the law. Los Angeles has gone too far and now shows it is not respectfull to us business owners to have to obey the immigration laws. In fact, I am sure or I hope, that when individuals apply for a job at City Hall they have to fill out a I-9. And if that individual does not check out as a citizen I bet they are not giving that person a job. Or are they since they are a santuary city of illegals.

City of Los Angeles, my company will no longer conduct meetings or do business in the City of Los Angeles. Until you uphold the laws of immigration we refuse to do business with Los Angeles.

I really wish we could get past any sense of guilt we have and face facts. Illegal immigration has been one of many factors that has helped cripple America's economy. Although this business model helped businesses and supporters of slave labor, it ultimately did not and does not work.

That being said, comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany is absolutely irresponsible, repugnant, and historically inaccurate for a number of reasons. First, German Jews were not ILLEGAL immigrants, and had documentation to prove that they were tax paying, German citizens. German Jews were also not mules for brutal, drug smuggling cartels (you know the guys that massacre villages). It's been proven that Hitler's motive were racist, whereas in Arizona many people of diverse ethnic backgrounds believe that ILLEGAL immigrants should be screened for and deported. And some of the people that believe this are Latinos.

Its as simple as this....any politician (or council-member) will say anything and pander to any group to get votes for themselves at election-time. These LA council-member assholes don't care anything about Mexicans or illegal immigrants. They just want to get Mexican votes when they're up for re-election.

Illegal immigration is out of control. We have no money to care for them anymore in California. What should we do? Smart and well thought out ideas please. No playground, school yard comments por favor.

It's regrettable this Jewish group fails to see the parallels that exist to what the Nazis did to the German Jews before the holocaust and to what currently is happening in the U.S. to immigrants. I do not understand why a comparison can't be made to something that clearly has similarities. No one is saying that what is happening now is a holocaust; people are merely pointing out that the Nazis' early tactics are similar to what is happening now to immigrants. This collective repression can lead to genocide and it also happens in democracies, therefore that argument by Rabbi Cooper is out the window too--think WWII U.S. with the Japanese (internment camps) and the genocide of Native Americans (that genocide happened when the US was considered a democracy!).

I am incensed at the PC of the Rabbi's comments. Whenever we forget our history we are doomed to repeat it. It is not demonization, it is stating a fact. This way of thinking found its way into Germany in the first half othe the 20th Century and it is on the path here. Profiling is wrong! Nazi Germany profiled the Jews (along with others). Why is it wrong to make that comparision?

I dont see what all the fuss is about, every time I get pulled over I have to show my ID; it seems to me this "new law" is really just re stating a federal law requireing immigrants to carry a valid green card or passport. God forbid Arizona actually enforce the law. Next thing you know it will be illegal to ask a drug dealer if he has any needles in his pocket before he is searched. We need to stop worrying about who we are going to offend and do whats best for the country.

The only Nazi's I see are the mayor and the city council less one member... Hypocrites!!!!

It may be inappropriate now, but since their new ban on ethnic studies, it sure looks like they are headed that way. This is just the beginning --- next it will be English-only and Christian-only --- so yes, I would agree with the City Councilman, its "beginning" to look like Nazi Germany.

There is no comparison between Nazi Germany and the new immigration law. In Nazi Germany, German citizens were discriminated against and intimated by the brown shirts. German citizens were targeted because of their Jewish beliefs not because of their racial profile. This particular group of Germans Jews were targeted for their thoughts and cultural traditions.

Illegal immigrants are not citizens of this country (USA) and should simply be repatriated to their country of origin by whatever means necessary within the framework of our legal system. Illegal immigrants are not immigrants, they are simply foreigners breaking the laws of this country to obtain access to our social and economic prosperity. It would be dishonest to assume that illegal immigration has no impact on the legal citizenry within the USA.

This letter, from an obviously intelligent couple who made a choice to leave the U.S. and move to Mexico, articulates something so obvious to common sense folks (who THINK rather than FEEL) that shows an easy to understand moral.

Here it is for the ultra left progressives that are ruining our country.......try to pay close attention:


Subject: U.S. Citizens living in Mexico - Letter to the Editor

This is a very interesting "Letter to the Editor" from a couple who moved from Payson, Arizona to live in Mexico. It's their take on the new Arizona Immigration Law... and it's a quite interesting viewpoint too.

Rim Country Gazette - Letter to the Editor
April 29, 2010

Dear Editor:
I am writing this as a citizen of the U.S. who, for several years, has lived much of the year in West Central Mexico.

My wife and I are retired, and are happy with our life here, but are very careful to adhere to the many rules and regulations that apply to our being legal residents of this country! We love the U.S., and all the advantages it gave us during all the years we grew up, raised our family, and prospered with the business that we created and worked in!

We now find it incredulous that our federal government refuses to enforce the immigration laws of the U.S., and, when a State like Arizona, in its own self defense tries to create some protection for it's citizenry, so many of the left wing, liberal people want to make villains of them, and the Mexican Government is saying that "this is an outrage and is racist!"

I would like to share with you readers what we are required to do, here in Mexico. To live down here, we must file as temporary immigrants, and to do so we must furnish: a formal application, filled out in Spanish, records that show that we have sufficient income, according to their standards, to live here, without additional income, a letter from a legal authority that shows that we have no criminal background, three sets of profile and front face photos, and pay an annual fee of approximately $100.

We also have to register our vehicle when we enter the country, and pay the registration fee, and furnish proof of Mexican Insurance coverage. If we own property down here, we have to do it through a Mexican Trust, and pay all annual Trust fees and Property taxes! We can be asked at any time to show proof of our proper documentation, and that of our vehicle, and failure to do so, will result in incarceration or impoundment and possible confiscation of our vehicle! We know of many circumstances when this has happened, so it is NO empty threat!

So, I guess we simply don't understand the double standard that the Mexican citizens that have illegally snuck into the U.S. have, and the outright hypocrisy of what the Mexican Government is touting!

The United States, and every state therein, has the right to control its borders, as Mexico does, and failure to do so jeopardizes their sovereignty!

Larry and Eloise Kontz
Arizona residents!

(Editor's note: Larry and Eloise are former Payson residents and avid Gazette blog readers.)

So enforcing federal laws is like Nazi Germany?

Why are they called "illegals" if they are obeying the law?

Federal Laws make it illegal to rob banks. Do these idiots believe the state should not enforce Federal law, bank robbery is OK?

No? Only some laws are to be obeyed?
Should murder be OK too?

This November is the opportunity to get all these stupid politicians out.
Tar and feathers is too good for them.

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