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Comparing Arizona to Nazi Germany is wrong, Jewish group tells L.A. politicians

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/images/2008/09/26/marvinhier.jpgIs Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigration really comparable to Nazi Germany?

The comparison was made by some on the L.A. City Council on Wednesday as the body approved a boycott against Arizona. But one leading Jewish group says its "irresponsible" to liken the Arizona law to Nazi tactics.

“The Wiesenthal Center along with many other Americans expressed our opposition to the language of the Arizona immigration bill but it is inappropriate and irresponsible to link the bill to the actions of Nazi Germany,” Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the center, said in a statement. “In a democracy, there is no need to demonize opponents, even when they are mistaken, to those whose actions led to history's most notorious crime."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/28/mahony.jpgOn Wednesday, council members compared Arizona’s action to Nazi Germany and the beginning of the Holocaust, as well as to the internment and deportation of Japanese Americans during World War II. A new Arizona law, which will take effect July 23, will require police to determine whether people they stop are in the country illegally, which critics say will lead to racial profiling.

In April, Cardinal Roger Mahony also compared Arizona's law to Nazism. "American people are fair-minded and respectful. I can't imagine Arizonans now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques whereby people are required to turn one another in to the authorities on any suspicion of documentation," Mahony wrote on his blog. 

A Wiesenthal Center official did agree with Mahony that the Arizona law is wrong. “This isn’t about immigration, it’s about discrimination,” Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the center, said in a statement. “We should not forget that we’re a nation of immigrants. This law makes no sense -- it guarantees and stigmatizes people of color as second-class citizens and exposes them to intimidation and the use of racial profiling as a weapon of bias."

-- Shelby Grad

Photos: Marvin Hier, Roger Mahony. L.A. Times files.

 
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ILLEGAL IS NOT A RACE ITS A CRIME

As I recall, collective punishment is forbidden by both U.S. and international law. Collective punishment is punishing an innocent family member or another person or group of people associated with the individual you intend to punish. This was a tactic of totalitaristic governments during World War II and is now being used by cities like Los Angeles when punishing innocent businesses in Arizona, some which are Hispanic owned.

No one should compare the Holocaust to anything since the Jewish victim's lobby will have none of it and will smear you an anti-Semite if you do so.

The LA City Council is full of sell serving pieces of garbage

the jews in nazi germany were legal citizens.

Nice attempt at back tracking, BUT he still believes (or just lies to himself)................ "A Wiesenthal Center official did agree with Mahony that the Arizona law is wrong. “This isn’t about immigration, it’s about discrimination,” Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the center, said in a statement. “We should not forget that we’re a nation of immigrants. This law makes no sense -- it guarantees and stigmatizes people of color as second-class citizens and exposes them to intimidation and the use of racial profiling as a weapon of bias.""

News flash - I'm profiled, judged and harrassed routinely because I am white, (YES, white people are discrimminated against), female, Christian, single mother AND the list goes on AND on And ON!!!

And before anyone wants to go off on me that I am a racist, bigot or any other term -------- I have volunteered my time and money by building homes, medical services and helping at orphanages in Mexico.

Again the key is IL-Legal immigration, not immigration BUT most supporters can't seem to differentiate between the two.

While I'm in total support of Arizona's Illegal Immigration law, I thank the jewish groups for speaking out against the comparison to Nazi Germany! Drama, to incite more rift.

Comparing Arizona to Nazis is absurd. Nazis were the ones who did the invading, Arizona is the one that's being invaded! If anyone should be compared to Nazis it should be the invaders who are pouring in over the border!

I find Jewish opposition to this law hypocracy of the worse sort. If Jews oppose this law, they should equally, and as vocally oppose Israel's opposition to the Palestinian Return to Palestine.

Jewish groups who oppose illegal immigration have no moral authority.

1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3.. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7... The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )


We are fools for letting this continue

Pre-WW II Nazi Germany had a very similar law. You can't debate the facts. People aren't saying they're shipping off Latinos to death camps. They're talking about pre-WW II Germany. The Nazis didn't take over at the start of the war in 1939 - they took over in 1933 and the Simon Weisenthal rabbi needs to understand the historical significance.

I dont see the similarities between this and nazi Germany. Every other country on the planet is strict with a visiting foreigner's papers and immigration status. Im not sure why people keep making these nazi Germany references to political occurrences in our country. It seems like it's a way to strike a collective fear in us for political purposes. This is simple enforcement of immigration status. Something that should be necessary and routine. However, I do think that AZ is going about it the wrong way. They should be more vigilant on fake ID's/drivers licenses, forgery, identity theft, employment by companies, and public services provided. Without these things, no illegal immigrant would stay around. Can you imagine going to another country and trying to get a fake ID? It would be nearly impossible and the consequences would be dire.

Careful CA, with the lousy press you have had the last two weeks I wouldn't be hurling stones. Sending kids home with American Flags on their shirts, desicrating veterans memorials. Don't think the rest of the country won't boycot you. It's being organized...

I am not Jewish, nor did I have any relatives that went through the holocaust. However, on behalf of the real Angelenos, I apologize to the many people Paul Koretz managed to insult by his comments. He does not represent what the community thinks and needs to step down from his seat on city council for this one. I can't believe we didn't hear gasps and people yelling at him during his speech. What is this city coming to?

i grew up with many survivors of the camps, and since i learned to talk i heard the story's, of the nazi's rounding up jews, putting them in cattle cars, stealing all their possesions, and then the camps, work and death....

having a law that lets the police do a background search on a person is not the same, and the goyim who profess to use this analogy are the same as the goyim who didnt do anything to stop the brown shirts.... all jews and russians who survived the nazi's and stalin, have a right not to be used a pawn in this debate....

and the dis information by the press, latimes, and cables about what the law is and isnt is unreal. read the law, its the same as the federal law that the feds wont uphold.

but open a legal cannibus shop, and the DEA and LAPD will bust your door down.....

let's all worry about who lost on idle last nite, its what the USA is best at.

It's too bad that, in this day an age, no one except a Jew is allowed to point out to liberals the differences between the Arizona law and Nazi Germany. I applaud the Wiesenthal Center for having the fair-mindedness for saying so, but it's disgusting that NO ONE else had the courage to stand up and say it.

Difference number one between this and Nazi Germany: if an illegal gets caught, they are sent home, NOT KILLED IN A SHOWER.

Difference number two: the people sent home are criminals hiding from the law, and THEY HAVE BEEN SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTRY. This is not a criminalization of a once-legal population. NO ONE supports exporting all LEGAL immigrants. Well, some people might, but they are angry racist extremists and are not involved with this bill.

I would not liken this to be discriminization, but since we do have freedom of speech rights in this country, my view is that only because of the anarchy going on in Mexico with all the unnecessary blood shed, then only in this case should our police officials, immigration dept, and other authorities be allowed to I.D. potential illegal immigrants and if necessary deport as a last measure. However in all fairness, any undocumented alien should be afforded the opportunity to get legal domicile within the U.S. especially if he/she has family here abroad and are working to support their families. Otherwise those
who are found to be of a criminal element or have no legal status should be deported or detained for further identification and have their names and pictures put in a database. This will greatly identify and curb the ongoing violence spilling into our borders with Mexico.

They should read that law and see that is the same as the Federal law. We are dealing here with illegal immigrants who cost us billions of dollars each year in medical, schooling and welfare. Mahony needs to clean up his own church first, get rid of the pedophiles before he sticks his nose in another State's business.

I hope the 70 percent who approve-will of the people-will not visit California or spend money on ebay with people in Cal, im calling for -give nothing to LA or Cal--remember, remember, remember november

i will be surprised if the author of these comments allows my post to go up. I have made similar comments to other events especially on North Korea, and as always, my posts are not approved., now that is discriminatory....

It's quite obvious that these idiots have NOT read the law.

This is what happenens when the Government does not do its job.So the States have to take care of its self.I give AZ a plus for at least doing something.

This is just another reason why I don"t read the LA Times...talking about Nazi Germany...they had infrastructure dedicated to spreading their one sided propaganda of hate. The LA Times are doing the same..what ever happened to non-biast reporting of the news.

What do expect when the L.A city counsel depends on the illegals that come over here, they expect support from the illegals at the voting polls. as far as I am concerned the city counsel is the ones committing the crime.

Arizona is dealing with it the best way possible, how long can middle class keep supporting the corporations that exploit illegal immigrants without fighting back. If you want to support illegal immigrants then pleas set up a private fund, and from that pay for their school, and other public services, or tax the corporations that use them to the max, but to have the middle class foot the bill every single time is criminal, and don’t tell me that corporations pay a lot more tax, they also get a lot more tax breaks. If the illegal’s want to fight for their rights why don’t they do it in their home countries I am sure it will be much better to fight at home in place of USA.

 
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