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Opponents of Barack Obama's presidency claim small court victory

Supporters of a case that disputes the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency claimed a small victory today when U.S. District Judge David O. Carter told them to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to "the merits" of their case. But others present for the hearing Monday at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana stressed that the case remains a long way from ever getting a full airing in court and may never get to that point.

The case, Alan Keyes, et al. v Barack H. Obama, et al. was filed on Inauguration Day and is one of a raft of suits alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural born citizen.” Such claims have fared badly in court to date. In December, for example, the Supreme Court dismissed without comment a case challenging Obama’s right to take the oath of office.

Perhaps because of that history, Orly Taitz, the lawyer who filed the current suit, was greatly cheered by Monday’s hearing. "He's very determined to hear the case on the merits," Taitz said, referring to the judge. "He stated, the country needs to know if Mr. Obama is legitimate, if he can legitimately stay in the White House."

That’s not quite the way Asst. U.S. Atty. David DeJute heard the judge’s comments. Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said that “the judge did make a bunch of comments about having the matter correctly and thoroughly aired, once and if they got to the merits of the actual lawsuit, which was not the subject of today's discussion."

The key word is “if,” Mrozek stressed. “We're literally at procedural grounds at this point in time," he said.

At a previous hearing, Carter had ruled that Taitz had not properly served the case on Obama. In Monday's hearing, both Taitz and DeJute tried to prematurely argue the merits of the case. Carter, a former marine, told both parties that the case could easily be tied up for months or another year on procedural technicalities. A better approach would be for Taitz just to file the paperwork so that the case could proceed without more delays, the judge said.

Once the paperwork is filed, the government has 60 days to respond.

-- Tami Abdollah in Santa Ana

 
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MOST OF THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR COUNTRY IS THAT NO ONE WANTS TO ABIDE BY THE LAW. SIMPLE AS THAT. IF PRESIDENT OBAMA IS BREAKING THE LAW HE SHOULD LEAVE OFFICE. SIMPLE AS THAT.
I ASKED MY REPRESENTATIVE TO START IMPEACHMENT PROCEDINGS AGAINST BUSH/CHENEY. SO I AM NOT LOVER OF THAT CREW EITHER. I THINK THAT MCCAIN/PALIN WAS A SET UP TO GET OBAMA INTO OFFICE.
IF MCCAIN HAD PICKED ROMNEY OR COLIN POWELL AS A RUNNING MATE HE WOULD HAVE WON. INSTEAD HE PICKED AND UNKNOWN PERSON TO RUN.
THEN WHEN YOU FIND OUT THAT BOTH PARTIES ARE PROGRSSIVE/SOCIALIST IT DOES NOT MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE WHO YOU ELECT.
THE ONLY PERSON THAT COULD HAVE MAYBE MADE A DIFFERENCE WAS RON PAUL HE HAS BEEN CONSISTANT FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF SUPPORTING THE COUNTRY AND THE CONSTITUTION.

Obama is commiitting another crime by sending US Attorneys to block the trial and the release of the birth certificate. This is not a lawsuit against the government, it's a crime committed by one person, and several groups of people. Obama's use of federal attorneys to defend him in a private law suit is illegal.
He's the one who committed the fraud, along with the Democratic National Committee, not the US of A. He was acting on his own when he filed the election papers, not for the government, as in an international treaty. He committed a fraud on the voters and opposing candidates, and now he's illegally using federal attornies to escape the consequences.
He's looking more and more like the water boy for the Daley Machine in Chicago, which he once was. Where's your transparency, Mr. Obama, your self-responsibility, your honesty and integrity?

1) McCain was born in Panama, but he was born on a military base to two American parents. Because of this he is an American Citizen.

2) If Obama was born in America why can't he just produce his birth certificate? He could send a copy to the media and all this would be over.

Rules are rules, the constitution must be followed regardless of how popular someone is. Without rules we would have Anarchy.

I cannot believe it, but the soldier has won! The army can no longer force any soldiers to go to Iraq, for each merely has to re-challenge the president's legal status.

BORN IN THE USA?
Bombshell: Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez
Major victory for Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009

The you-know-what is going to hit the fan!

Craziness.

Can a single one of your birthers provide an actual authority for your proposition that "Natural Born" requires that both parents be U.S. Citizens?

/crickets chirp

Funny.

The SCOTUS has never defined the term, so, and I realize I'm going out on a limb here, your definition is completely invented by Shout Radio.

Natural Born, not having been defined, takes on its everyday ordinary meaning: you have to be born in the United States. Hawaii is a state (and was when he was born).

That's why Congress passed a half-arsed unconstituitional resolution "affirming" McCain's status as "Natural Born," because they know that he was not.

Get a life birthers, can't you all go back to your Area 51 UFO conspiracies now?

No, the question is whether Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. or 'naturalized' citizens at the time of the adoption of the constitution (so that the framers could be grandfathered in).

They want a person U.S. and U.S. only that no other country could claim sovereignty over.

Natural Born is defined in the U.S. Constitution, defining the requirement for the president, to be both parents being U.S. citizens, who were not subject, or citizens, of any other country at the time of the child's birth.

Clearly, Obama's father, a Kenyan, under British Rule, at the time, did not meet that test. In fact Obama's Kenyan citizenship legally expired in 1982.

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THIS IS THE STUPIDEST CONVERSATION I HAVE EVER HEARD. WHILE ALL OF YOU IDIOTS ARE ARGUING OVER THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE TERRIORISTS ARE PLOTTING THEIR NEXT ATTACK.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE. WE HAD 8 YEARS OF THE LUNATIC BUSH. BARACK OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. DEAL WITH IT AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES.

Obama has released a birth certificate, and Snopes (which investigates many such internet rumors) believes it's the real deal.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

The birthers are in total denial. One of the two presidential candidates last year was born outside of the United States, and doesn't have a birth certificate--his name is John McCain.

Every day is Opposite Day in Wingnutland, though, especially when Opposite Day seems to offer some sort of cover for naked racism.

Here are some items that may be of interest:

1. Obama's passport files are cleansed by a break-in:
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2009/01/truth-behind-obamas-breached-passport.html

Note the owner of the company and the gift he has been given by a position in Obama's "team".

2. For a fun read Google Larry Sanders.

Here's what they claim is a real birth certificate for Obama:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bo_birthcert.jpg

And here's an actual 1963 Hawaiian birth certificate:

http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

Not only are there plenty of standard facts missing, but also notice the Photoshop-perfect background on the bogus doc. What was this thing, placed under glass the moment generated and hidden from the light?

All President Obama has to do is produce his birth certificate and he not only has teams of attorney's he has had his school and college records,his passport records, he has even had his senator records sealed this guy has spent close to a million dollars to bury his life.
Congress held hearings last year on Sen John McCain elgibility to be president. And NO hearings on sen Obama WHY? Because the libedral dem's knew he had citizenship issues it his apparent to this old man that obama is a fraud and members of congress has commented fraud Welcome to corrupt politcians taking us striat to socialism. And even his fathers mother which is still alive has said barck was born in kenya. We can stop this non-sence in 2010

Again this issue is'nt going away we the people of this great country have constitutional laws. And all of us that are law abiding citizens provide our birth certificate or pass ports, school records etc.
We have a president that has teams of attorneys to seal not only his birth records,but his passport,school records,college records, he even had his senator records sealed. Thus this is the reason for the the lawsuits.
Like the woman above calling everybody morans because we want proof of citizenship. We all have to produce our birth crtificate i have many times and damm proud to present it.

Look, this is all very easily cleared up, and one has to ask why Barack Obama has spent millions of dollars fighting in court, with three high powered law firms on retainer so he could avoid producing a document that would only cost him 10 or 12 dollars to produce. Every American has to show their birth certificate. To get a driver's license, to register a child for school or even for little league, there are countless other instances one is required to document who they are. Why is Obama afraid to show his birth certificate? The congress investigated McCain's eligibility, made him produce his birth certificate, why are they refusing to ask Obama to do the same? Why won't Obama disclose his school and medical records, when every other president discloses theirs?

Again, this could be resolved in a flash if Obama would just disclose those documents, and I don't blame any citizen, most especially troops taking a principled stand on the subject. The constitution requires that a president be a natural born citizen, and nothing less. Obama is not above the law, he took an oath of office to uphold the constitution, yet he seems to be breaking that oath, as he's broken all his promises to the people. My god son is serving in Iraq. When he comes home again, I will tell him to refuse to go back, until Obama shows his birth certificate. I'm fed up with the disrespect for our country, our constitution and the citizenry by Obama.

No, Obama supporters, the Obama records issue is not going away. The more he hides it the more it becomes obvious that it must be important for him to hide it and for us to find it. Obama's grandmother in Kenya and our Ambassador to Kenya are both very proud that Obama was born in Kenya. That part is well and good except for the fact that this makes him an illegitimate president. It would be better if Obama would just open up his records for the public like any other legitimate person in government. Wouldn't that be the easiest way to settle everything?

I love you all and wish you all peace and happy moments. May kindness enter your heart and love fill your soul. Be happy.

The man provided all the proof that was necessary. (I would bet that even the one birth certificate wasn't required--I know it is not in the Constitution) He doesn't have to supply his long-form birth certificate, so why should he give in to legal bullying?

Where oh where have all the sane Republicans gone? I used to vote Republican on occasion. I wouldn't now, since Fox News came on the scene and turned politics into a religion of hate and deceipt.

Andy wrote "Natural Born is defined in the U.S. Constitution, defining the requirement for the president, to be both parents being U.S. citizens, who were not subject, or citizens, of any other country at the time of the child's birth."

Article 2, Section 1.5 of the Constitution lays out the requirements and states nothing about the parents whatsoever. This is highly indicative of the nature of the argument that Obama is not a natural born citizen - hysteria not reason, rumor not facts. At least take the 15 seconds required to read that section of the constituion before you add to the insanity.

Obama wins every time. HI said in 1961 he was born there. They said so in 2008. You can't beat Obama on this because he was born in HI. You just make it easier for Obama to reduce you to the fringe.

"Actually, what Obama produced was NOT a government produced document. "

HI Dept of Health said the birth cert Obama showed, that Politifact inspected, was VALID. You lose. Haha.

"McCain was born on August 29, 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station"

Lie. He was born off base in the city of Colon. His birth cert says it, but you liars don't understand birth certs at all as you proved ignoring the official HI issued one Obama showed.

"For those who state that Hawaii produced a copy of BHO's BC, they didn't. They only affirmed that it existed. Go check for yourself if you're not sure."

I checked. HI said the one Obama sent to Politifact is a valid HI birth cert that they mailed to him in 2007. Fact. Dr. Alvin Onaka the registrar sealed, stamped and signed it. Fact. I am sure. HI is sure. You are sure a liar.

"Kidding aside: It is just a birth announcement that could be placed by anyone, parents, family, grandparents, or friends of the family. The announcement says nothing of where the birth occurred at. All the birth announcement says is "Hey ______ parents had a kid"."

Lie. The newspapers and the HI Dept of Health confirmed the announcements are direct from HI Dept of Health official statistics, not sent in by the public. Obama haters tell many small lies like this instead of check the story like I do.

"What Obama produced was a certification of live birth all that states is you exist. Even the courts in Hawaii do not accept a certification of live birth as proof of being born in Hawaii"

Certification of Live Birth is the OFFICIAL and ONLY CURRENT STANDARD birth certificate of Hawaii. It is proof of birth in any court for any reason AS IT SAYS RIGHT ON IT IN BOLD LETTERS.

"2) If Obama was born in America why can't he just produce his birth certificate? He could send a copy to the media and all this would be over."

He did send it to the media. Obama hating morons sue him not the media. The media looked into and saw it's a valid birth cert. Obama hating morons DO NOT CARE ABOUT FACTS.

 
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