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Opponents of Barack Obama's presidency claim small court victory

Supporters of a case that disputes the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency claimed a small victory today when U.S. District Judge David O. Carter told them to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to "the merits" of their case. But others present for the hearing Monday at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana stressed that the case remains a long way from ever getting a full airing in court and may never get to that point.

The case, Alan Keyes, et al. v Barack H. Obama, et al. was filed on Inauguration Day and is one of a raft of suits alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural born citizen.” Such claims have fared badly in court to date. In December, for example, the Supreme Court dismissed without comment a case challenging Obama’s right to take the oath of office.

Perhaps because of that history, Orly Taitz, the lawyer who filed the current suit, was greatly cheered by Monday’s hearing. "He's very determined to hear the case on the merits," Taitz said, referring to the judge. "He stated, the country needs to know if Mr. Obama is legitimate, if he can legitimately stay in the White House."

That’s not quite the way Asst. U.S. Atty. David DeJute heard the judge’s comments. Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said that “the judge did make a bunch of comments about having the matter correctly and thoroughly aired, once and if they got to the merits of the actual lawsuit, which was not the subject of today's discussion."

The key word is “if,” Mrozek stressed. “We're literally at procedural grounds at this point in time," he said.

At a previous hearing, Carter had ruled that Taitz had not properly served the case on Obama. In Monday's hearing, both Taitz and DeJute tried to prematurely argue the merits of the case. Carter, a former marine, told both parties that the case could easily be tied up for months or another year on procedural technicalities. A better approach would be for Taitz just to file the paperwork so that the case could proceed without more delays, the judge said.

Once the paperwork is filed, the government has 60 days to respond.

-- Tami Abdollah in Santa Ana

 
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"I want all of you racist individuals to prove that you were born in the United States or that your parents were born or your grandparents or great-grandparents. How can you? Your birth certificate is your proof. My POTUS' grandmother DID NOT SAY I'm glad he was born in Kenya. If she made any kind of statement it was regarding his father - idiots. Show the proof that she said that. Or was that just what you wanted her to say."

I would have demanded the same for McCain--this has nothing to do with race--nice try there.

It has to do with someone perpetrating FRAUD. Fraud we can believe in!

"

If you voted Obama, you lost!

Posted by: johnnymarin"

Funny, Johnny: last time I checked [2 minutes ago] he was President! Maybe in the alternate universe you seem to inhabit, the Klingons have overthrown him?

Adjust your tinfoil hat and try to tune in reality.

Thanks for the comic relief!

It's SO amusing to see the bile, venom and hatred oozing from people who avidly supported a BRAIN DEAD President for eight long years. HE should have been required to proffer a COLB (Certificate of Live Brain)!

It's such fun to see you right-wing radicals suffer.

Legal citizen or not, Barry is royally screwing up this country. Welcome to the USSA.

To those arguing that a natural born citizen is one born of two American citizens, please point to the specific provision in the Constitution, writing of a Framer, Supreme Court case, Congressional statute, or writing of any current legal scholar to support that interpretation.

I'll save you the trouble. There is none. Your interpretation of natural born citizen as being the child of two American citizens is supported in none of these areas.

The COLB is prima facie evidence in any court of law. What expert, specifically, has debunked it? None but "Ron Polarik" and "TechDude," both of whom have their claims debunked in this blog: http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/210-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis.html

Obama's grandmother in the interview said several times that Obama was born in Hawaii. You know, the full, unedited interview that never seems to get mentioned by the birthers.

The only apparent evidence for the claim of Obama's spending on lawyers comes from FEC filings that show that that amount is what Obama has spent on attorneys. This makes two faulty assumptions:
1. None of Obama's attorneys are working pro bono on birther suits. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BF547975-18FE-70B2-A85A7CB6F7889EED
2. Obama is spending every cent that goes to attorneys on fighting birther suits. That is an absurd thought. Presidential candidates (and presidents) need lawyers for many potential legal issues.

There was never any travel ban for Americans going to Pakistan, particularly not in 1981. http://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/14/travel/lahore-a-survivor-with-a-bittersweet-history.html?sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=5
The State Department even described how to obtain visas to visit Pakistan at the very time Obama visited.
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf

All of this stuff can sound convincing until you actually take some time to check the facts that they're alleging. And then birthers fall apart like a house of cards.

I am sick and tired of the Black people claiming that the Whites are racists and in fact it is the Blacks that are the ones who are racists.

It isn't a question of race, party of left or right, it is about the constitution of law and all people no matter of their color shouldn't be above the law. Obama like Bush think they are above the law after PD51 that declares them dictators. By not following the law makes them dictators by definition.

Bill Cosby said to stop blaming the Whites for your short comings. He means stop being difficult and except responsibility for your own actions!

Finally, did you read this article from Guana?
http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/huh.html
"For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth."

Posted by: Kathleen | July 14, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Sorry, I read it with my own eyes also and it has already been scrubbed. Everytime I turn around something is getting scrubbed. We will only be able to read what they want us to read. This behavior from OUR GOVENMENT is OUT OF CONTROL.

If it is proven that the man is NOT eligible will there be riots in this country that will bring it under marshal law? Or will the situation be like the most recent one in Columbia where the military will be forced to physically remove the man and his family from the Whitehouse? Can we count on respect for the decision? I do not think so after what the woman said at the National Press Club last year when she absolutely demanded reparations for the "descendents" of former slaves. Yes, she is a descendent. Yes, SHE is a natural born citizen. However, she cannot continue to live vicariously through him.

His most recent statement that slavery should be taught in American schools proves he has no idea what this country does and does not teach its children in its schools. This goes further to prove that he has no idea what this country is truly about. That statement alone should open eyes of all who have attended schools in this country. It makes it quite clear he NEVER attended school in this country during his formative years. Why else would he say such a thing?

He claims his father was from Kenya. Could it be that his father was really an American man married to another woman than his mother and he is ashamed of being born from that relationship? Can anyone really prove that the Kenyan he claims fathered him is truly his biological father? Has anyone run DNA tests on him and his "half brother" George?
Would it surprise anyone that he was illegitimate? Was his mother a minor when he was conceived? Was his father an adult? Could it have been statutory rape?

I have been working on this case for (9) months. There is reams of testimony that Obama is a Fraud and a Treasonous usurper. IO have served ona citizens Grand Jury and have voted against Obama in a vote that was 38-0 for a "True bill" against Obama upon those charges. I am so convinced that Obama is a phony that I have wriitten close to 13,000 comments on Topix,Newsvine,Fox Nation ,Pravda,inter alia.
Pravda wrote an article about Obama being a fraud. A Nigerian Tribune story said Obama was "Kenyan born". Articles in Europe are reporting on this controversy of grave national security freely. An ambassador from Kenya admitted that Obama was not born in Hawaii but in Mombasa. An Imam
confirmed this as reported by the Daily Jefferson before the election. Mike B. says we should be committed for dissenting against our bogus POTUS. The fact remains that the constitution REQUIRES a POTUS to be "Natural-Born". Obama is NOT natural born and he knows it. There is a huge con going on. In addition to this controversy,Obama has given aid and comfort to our enemies. One example is giving millions of dollars to Hamas directly and through sharia financing "Zakat".
Another is his having campaigned actively for Raila Odinga,PM of Kenya,a man who is a convicted felon associated with Islamic terrorists who blew up (2) US Embassies. One in Nairobi and the other in Tanzania. Obama is a treasonous,fraud and usurper. Our Bogu Potus.-
Robert Laity,Founder
Society for the Preservation of Democracy
Tonawanda,NY

Where was all this worry about hospitals when Ronald Reagan was President? He wasn't even born in a hospital and Reagan's parents weren't natural born citizens, using birther reasoning (they each had a foreign-born parent), which means Reagan wasn't a natural born citizen either. Why weren't any of you people crying about that back in the day?

No other President or Presidential candidate has been expected to show a birth certificate to the American public. Why do some people have a different standard for Barack Obama? Why should he have to do something no one else has done?

We know the answer to that, don't we?

alan is a wuss- suck it up and do what you signed up for- defend your country, if you're incapable of doing that, then get out of the military. hosebag.

Because of the year of his birth, even though his mother was a citizen, if he was born out of the country, his is not a citizen of the USA. His father was African. If he was born in Kenya (and I might add that they think so in Ghana) then he is a real "African American" and not a natural citizen. Also, he did receive grant money under the name of Barry Soleio (sp) and the grant was for foreign students. Can't see those transcripts either. If we don't have a problem here, why no transcrips and why no birth certificate. The one that they put up on the internet from Hawaii is not a true birth certificate.

I want a psychological examination on Alan Keyes so that we can determine for sure that he is sane.

If nobama has nothing to hide, why not release all his records? So much for transparency. He's a puppet put in power to bring our country down. The so-called media (I prefer agenda-driven commentators) can't take their lips off his tush long enough to take a good look at what they've saddled us with. The Pied Piper is leading us over the cliff.

It is outrageous that they don't make him show his birth certificate. IF HE HAS A LEGAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, HE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM PRESENTING IT.
THAT JUST TELLS YOU HE WAS NOT BORN HERE.
THIS WOULD NOT BE IN THE COURTS IF HE HAD ONE.
YOU KNOW HE JUST A TOKEN FOR THE BLACKS.

Hmmm. As I remember, he did produce a birth certificate. So he needs to produce another birth certificate? And then after that will you want ANOTHER birth certificate? Why don't we establish an "Obama Birth Certificate Day". For 364 days a year, the birthers can trip out and bark at the moon. Then, one day a year, Obama will release a birth certificate so that they can distract themselves for a few days and get "kerning experts" to study it. Then they can get back to braying retardedly again until the next year.

Doesn't that sound awesome?!

For a more honest account of what happened in the courtroom, please take the time to listen to this Plains Radio show interview of Dr. Taitz reporting what happened.
http://www.plainsradio.com/713/7-13-09.mp3
Our administration iand the sychophantic MSM are covering up serious information.

If you understood just a little about Africans and other cultures you would know that Obama could not have been born in Africa. Africans do not accept marriages to foreigners. So Obama's father could never, never, never have taken home to Africa an American woman as his wife. That's why he left his wife and Obama in America. He went back to Africa where he probably already had a wife or had a woman who the family had arranged for him to marry as soon as he got back to Africa.

Africans are almost like Indians who will kill their own child if they marry out of the culturally accepted group. Americans, black or white are not a culturally accepted group for Africans to marry.

"As I remember, he did produce a birth certificate"

The easiest way to get rid of this "conspiracy theory" and all of these "nutjobs" is to actually produce the official birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. As of today, that has not been done.

Everywhere in America you have to produce a Birth Certificate and other information to get a job, go to school or join the military. Even Arnold Swarznegger can't run for president because he has no Birth Certificate. Except if your Black and can lie through your ass like Mr. Obama , Pelosi, Fraken and all the other liberals. This country is headed towards the junk heap and everyone is cheering.

Could someone just please tell me the day, time and location of President Obama's birth. Anyone?

*crickets*

Re: "I would have demanded the same for McCain--this has nothing to do with race--nice try there."

You wouldn't have to with McCain. Its undisputed that McCain was not born in the U.S. He was born in Panama.

For those that believe there are a bunch of nutjobs out there why would you be opposed to him producing his long form birth certificate? Wouldn't you want once and for all prove to the nutjobs they are wrong? Why not have a look at it? This way everyone is satisfied, you, to validate the legitimate nutjobs and the 'birthers' to see if there is any legitimacy to their claim.

@DedraDowns: Stereotype much? Obama's father was far from your average Kenyan. As we all know, different strata of society sometimes have different mores.

 
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