Opponents of Barack Obama's presidency claim small court victory

Supporters of a case that disputes the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency claimed a small victory today when U.S. District Judge David O. Carter told them to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to "the merits" of their case. But others present for the hearing Monday at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana stressed that the case remains a long way from ever getting a full airing in court and may never get to that point.

The case, Alan Keyes, et al. v Barack H. Obama, et al. was filed on Inauguration Day and is one of a raft of suits alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural born citizen.” Such claims have fared badly in court to date. In December, for example, the Supreme Court dismissed without comment a case challenging Obama’s right to take the oath of office.

Perhaps because of that history, Orly Taitz, the lawyer who filed the current suit, was greatly cheered by Monday’s hearing. "He's very determined to hear the case on the merits," Taitz said, referring to the judge. "He stated, the country needs to know if Mr. Obama is legitimate, if he can legitimately stay in the White House."

That’s not quite the way Asst. U.S. Atty. David DeJute heard the judge’s comments. Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said that “the judge did make a bunch of comments about having the matter correctly and thoroughly aired, once and if they got to the merits of the actual lawsuit, which was not the subject of today's discussion."

The key word is “if,” Mrozek stressed. “We're literally at procedural grounds at this point in time," he said.

At a previous hearing, Carter had ruled that Taitz had not properly served the case on Obama. In Monday's hearing, both Taitz and DeJute tried to prematurely argue the merits of the case. Carter, a former marine, told both parties that the case could easily be tied up for months or another year on procedural technicalities. A better approach would be for Taitz just to file the paperwork so that the case could proceed without more delays, the judge said.

Once the paperwork is filed, the government has 60 days to respond.

-- Tami Abdollah in Santa Ana

Comments

[Marie]

I miss the Constitution.

[Danny Howerton]

I have to give credit to people in such denial of reality. They are certainly persistent.

By the way, I would like to see a copy of Alan Keyes' birth certificate along with certification of the certification of any exams he has undergone to prove his fitness to move around in society without strict medical supervision.

[Travis]

Maybe it will get aired in federal court, maybe not, but at least it has a shot.

[AnonymousWoman]

I am sick and tied of theose ignorant morons b***hing about somebody's birth certificate! First of all, President Barack Obama IS a U.S. citizen! He was born the the STATE of HAWAII in 1961. Hawaii OFFICIALLY became a U.S. state in 1959. Get over it you McCain/Palin punks and LEAVE THAT MAN'S BIRTH CERITFICATE ALONE! He is our president, and if you don't like it, PACK YOUR BAGS AND GET THE H*** OUT OF HERE!

[Bruce Jordan]

Obama is not eligible to be president, otherwise he would simply present his paperwork to those questioning his eligibility and end the matter.

Instead he's putting up a fight against doing a simple thing. And the documents he has released are dubious -- just like his apparently fake Selective Service registration documents to cover up for the fact that he never registered for the draft.

Obama is the lackey of the wealthy and was groomed for his post by them to carry out certain tasks that others could not carry out at this time. The court will not hear this case. Not by a long shot, because they are owned and controlled by the same masters.

[Winfield J. Abbe]

Why is president Obama through U.S. Attorney DeJute, wasting taxpayer money obstructing the simple release of his true birth certificate? What does he have to hide? American Citizens show their own birth certificates every day for all kinds of government services. The one posted is not a true long form birth certificate and some say it is a forgery. Yet, Obama has a battery of lawyers obstructing the release of his. Every American must demand he release all details of is birthplace immediately and end all these smoke and mirrors. The longer this goes on the worse it gets for America. The rules as demanded by our Constitution must be followed immediately. See www.wnd.com. Where is the Birth Certificate? The only explanation for all his obstruction is that he knows he his not a natural born citizen as demanded by our constitution.

[Java Joe]

Churchill famously declared his resolve to, "fight on the beaches" following the retreat of Allied forces from the battle of Dunkirk in 1940.

We see Team Obama putting up the same determination in winning one of it's key battles, the fight to prevent the disclosure of the place and time of birth of the president.

Reporter: "Hey President Bush, would you mind telling us the place and date of your birth?"

W: "Sure, bud, I was born in New Haven, Connecticutt in 1946. Thanks for asking."

Reporter: "Hey President Clinton, would you mind telling us the place and date of your birth?"

Bubba: "I was born in bed." (laughing, then getting serious and biting his lip) "Actually, I was born into poverty at the Julia Chester Hospital in Hope, August 1946. Say, you're kinda cute, honey, want to get a burger with me, and I can tell you all about it."

Reporter: "Hey President Obama, would you mind telling us the place and date of your birth?"

Obama: "We will fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. Under no circumstance can you ever force me to disclose that information."

I mean, come on, my son had to present an original birth certificate to play Little League baseball! No president has ever fought the disclosure of such a trivial piece of information before. Why would he? It's irrelevant, right? I mean, since Obama was born in the United States. Right? He was, right?

Right?

[Samuel P. Hill]

There MUST be something to this. Obama just needs to show the appropriate docs once and for all. I have read that he won't release his college records and some have posted on the internet because he was listed as his alias-Barry Soetoro and he wrote some very radical anti-war stuff that mimics Ayers and his Pastor Wright's way of thinking.

WHY does this article's headline say "opponemts" of Obama? Just because some American people are concerned about an important issue, they should not be painted as sore losers.

[MR. RIGHT]

Well, well, well...there is actually one judge in America who just might be interested in seeing Hussein's Birth Certificate...
and no, I'm not talking about that bogus "Certification of Live Birth" that's been floating around the Internet for months.

Any 9-yr old with access to a PC could have produced that phony document. We wanna see the original, Hussein.

And someone please inform the reporter of this piece, "Tami Abdollah in Santa Ana" that there is no such thing as a "fomer marine" when referring to a United States Marine . "Once a Marine, always a Marine." Unless the Marine has been Dishonorably Discharged at which time they are referred to as an "Ex-Marine." And when referring to United States Marines, "Marine" is capitalized, thank you.

Now back to your Birth Certificate, Hussein...

Semper Fi,
Mr. Right

[Polarik]

Team Obama is running scared. They took down their "Fight The Smears" website, and all of its archives.

They scrubbed letters sent to one hospital acknowledging it as his place of birth, only to have Obama mention a different hospital as to where he was born.

Then, of course, there is the matter of online "Certification of Live Birth" (COLB) which I proved was a fabricated fake, and that Hawaii never issued this COLB. This implicates Obama, members of his staff, and Factcheck in a document fraud scheme, for creating and proffering a false identification document, which is a felony, by forging a government-issued birth certificate, and using it to deceive the America media and the voting public.

The truth will come out.

[Andy]

Good luck Orly. Let's find out if this guy is eligible or not. If so, I will embrace him as my president. He needs to prove 100% that he is a natural born citizen and therefore qualified to be POTUS before I will accept him.

[Richard Ivey]

The central issue on birth certificates is simply getting public attention for a circus. There is no absolute requirement for a birth certificate in the USA, since births have taken place in rural settings and have been recorded in family bibles, for example. That Obama has a passport usually means he has objective proof of citizenship. If he has not been naturalized, then he is presumed native born. End of circus, period.

[J. Langford]

Email this to everyone. Tell people about it. If it so far fetched, why hasn't it been addressed? Why did Obama's grandmother say she was so proud the day he was born in Kenya? She said he was born in Kenya! This isn't the only issue with Barack Obama. He has a history of dealing with criminals, Communists, and Anarchists. He is doing all he can to erase American Culture with his use of Czars (Experts). This is a Progressive game plan-use "experts" to sway the peopl into believing in the new myth. It's all a way to manipulate people's way of thinking. They think they know better than we do. They think they are smarter and more "enlightened" than we are. They want control. Barack Obama is a Left Wing super Progressive that wants to control every household and every American. He is dangerous.

[Nick Garth]

Finally! There is a Judge that will listen and possibly make it right.

[dennis]

first off // you assume he has a passport...but have you seen it........second.......a person born not of two american citizens on american soil is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.......THIRDLY WHY WOULD PRESIDENT OBAMA....TO SAY... SPEND 1 MILLION DOLLARS ON HIS DEFENSE ...OR TAKE THE FIFTH///////IF HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE////AND LIKE YOU...I TOO AM SICK OF THE PROPAGANDA.......AND DECEPTIONS

[Dennis]

If Obama isn't a citizen, then why was notice of his birth in Hawaii published in the local newspaper when he was born? Was there some grand conspiracy nearly fifty years ago, knowing that he intended to become president of the United States?

This is a bunch of nonsense. Obama is a citizen. He is commander in chief. McCain / Palin lost and their supporters need to accept reality, hard as that appears to be for them.

[Rob]

I believe this is all much ado about nothing...

However, one cannot deny that Obama and his crew could end ALL the speculation by just producing the ACTUAL birth certificate.

He is more secretive about his past this early in office than ANY OTHER PREVIOUS PRESIDENT was.

Why the need to hide your past?
Be proud, and save the taxpayers some cash, Barack.

Just produce the paperwork so this goes away.
And Quickly.
This country is broken, we need you back to work fixing things, not dodging accusations you could kill by producing 1 piece of paper.

[homogenius]

Orly Taitz is a joke and so is Alan Keyes. The facts in this case have been gone over again and again, but these idiots keep running around with their fingers in their ears.
1. President Obama has already released his certified copy of his birth certificate. This is exactly what you get when you send to the State of Hawaii for your birth certificate to get your US Passport (or for any other reason)>
2. This certified copy has been thoroughly examined and analyzed. It is the real thing. He used it to get his passport and, more importantly, his security clearance as a US Senator.
3. The State of Hawaii does not release the original so-called "long-form" birth certificate. However, the two top officials in Hawaii have gone on record and stated that the certified copy that the Obama campaign made available to the press is legit.
This is such a joke. No reputable person questions this--only fringe lunatics. But I promise you, even if this case goes all the way to a ruling that the birth certificate is authentic and President Obama is natural born citizen, these birther whackjobs will find a reason to dispute it.

[Java Joe]

Well that's the point, isn't it. Ask Alan Keyes for his and he will be happy to show you. Or are you saying that Keyes, too, will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to prevent such a disclosure? Ridiculous.

Why is Obama spending his dwindling political capital fighting to suppress the disclosure of such a trivial document? There is only one reason; and it will surface. You want a circus? Just wait til we all learn that we have a non-natural, ILLEGAL sitting president. Cable TV can only hope.

[Mark from Louisiana]

How did obama travel to Pakistan when he was in college? At that time Pakistan was on the USA no travel list and he could not have entered Pakistan legally with an American passport. Did he have another countries passport back then? If he did that means he either wasn't a USA citizen or he renounced his citizenship to obtain another countries passport.

[Dedra Downs]

If you understood just a little about Africans and other cultures you would know that Obama could not have been born in Africa. Africans do not accept marriages to foreigners. So Obama's father could never, never, never have taken home to Africa an American woman as his wife. That's why he left his wife and Obama in America. He went back to Africa where he probably already had a wife or had a woman who the family had arranged for him to marry as soon as he got back to Africa.

Africans are almost like Indians who will kill their own child if they marry out of the culturally accepted group.

[Roy Leonard]

Doesn't it draw concern that the President can't produce a little bitty birth certificate after all of these months? I'm 62 and in possession of my original birth certificate. Come on Dems...aren't you just a little suspicious?

[Tom]

Cook has a simple choice: Afghanistan or the brig. Too bad we no longer shoot deserters.

[John]

Mind-boggling.

The Shout Radio Disciples are aware that Hawaii is a state, right? Not a foreign country? Birth certificates are public documents.

How odd that not one SRD has yet ponied up the money to travel to Hawaii to obtain a copy for himself. Curiously odd. Is the reluctance to do so borne out of fear that Hawaii's original looks just like the copy that is publicly available?

Surely, a quick trip to Hawaii on such urgent business would not only be less expensive than litigation, but also of highest priority! Where are our saviors when we need them! Hit Expedia now, patriots!

And let us not bring up the uncomfortable fact that John McCain was born in Panama. How do you define "natural born" again? I was unclear on your definition.

[scoob]

The most simple explanation is usually correct. Given how much money Obama has spent fighting all of the 42-some-odd court cases demanding to see his birth certificate and/or produce hospital documents, its clear that he cannot produce the evidence for whatever reason...

[Iris]

My daughter had to present her birth certificate in order to take a drivers training course, and we willingly showed it to the proper people. It was REQUIRED. Why should it not be required in order to hold the highest office in our country?? Why would Obama hire a team of legal experts in order to suppress the release of his birth certificate?? Any person with an ounce of objectivity would have to say that this man is trying to hide something.

[Followeroflaw]

If you have been actually following the case, you will realize that the judge is putting an end to the birther 'movement' by moving the case forward to end this idiotic group. The atmosphere in court was hilarious, the disrespect and mediocre performance of Taitz. It is about time someone brings these unpatriotic traitors to the light - and what better place than in the court of law? Hardly a small victory for the 'movement'. This is the end for this group and their little veiled attempt at hiding their bigotry behind 'seeking justice and kicking out a usurper.'

[Totto]

Clinton. Gore. Kerry. Obama. Any Democrat in the eyes of these bizarre Republicans would be illegitimate. Keep at it, and keep wasting your time and energy.

[John]

Ron Paul....

Yup, that's all I have to say.

Vote for REAL change. I guarantee you all that word would of been rocked by now if RP was our president.

Fireballs would come from his eyes as well!

[Rodger]

Wow, this stuff is just sad. A circus indeed, designed to keep those ignorant enough to fall for it willingly blind. The sheep of the republican base astound me sometimes.

Here's the truth, I was born in NC, but don't have a birth certificate, something I have in common with many Americans. Proof of citizenship is all you need, and if you were never naturalized then you are assumed by the LAW a natural born citizen. Oh but that's not enough is it?

SO try this. If there was ANY merit to any of this, would the Mccain campaign not have brought it up. What about the RNC? Face it, the republicans in power would not let any democrat take the presidency if they thought he were not a citizen. But they did, because he is, and those of you who fall for this must not understand critical thinking.

[Jonathan Abbey]

Obama was elected by a large margin by the people of the United States. The will of the people is what got him to office, not the alleged fabrication of a birth document in a state that had only been a state for two years.

Get a grip, birthers.

[Shaun]

I believe the person is asking this question and challenging the president legitmacy as a president only because he does not fix what all the presidents before him look like. For example, no one is asking John McCain for proof of citizenship because it is the norms for a person like John McCain to be president.
Now we know the length these people would go to prevent us from rightly participate in the democracy of our country, we as people of color must in every way cross our T and dot our I so that there is nothing they can do to deny us of our rightful place in our society.

[komodo_d]

Well for starters McCain was not born on US soil. I just can't believe these racist and hateful right-wing nuts are conspiring against Obama because he's African-American and President born in Hawaii. I'm sure if he was not born in the US he would have not ran for President. These racist officers should be honorably discharged. No lawyer in their right mind would take on a case like this. President Obama has already proven that he is a natural born US citizen. Besides his birth certificate was already authenticatic before he ran for office President Obama. These right-wing nuts make me sick since they are poor dumb losers.

[Califemme]

For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth.

[Bill - McGee - 2012 "I am a Terrorist "]

While the Birth Certificate and proper documentation are all vital parts of the issue and the refusal to release them screams of fraud, the fact is his father was not an American citizen, and while the founding fathers felt no need to clarify something that was common knowledge at the time of the framing of the constitution, their intent was crystal clear...

Obama does not and never can meet the requirement of Article 2 and under title 8 there's a good chance that he's not even an American Citizen because of his actions in 1981.

[Clarity Hope]

Every foreign intelligence agency probably knows Soetoro's birthplace, attending physician, national citizenship, and where the skeletons are buried. As long as they can keep it from the thick American press, they can play those marionette strings.

[stardustmelody]

Good. I am glad someone if finally looking fully into this. It amazes me how much Obama has been allowed to "wave off" and keep secret and gets away with it. Any other previous President would have been called on the carpet by now for all of this nonsense. Let the public know exactly who this man is and what he is trying to hide. His birth certificate and his school records should ALL be public record.

[stardustmelody]

Marie, I miss the Constitution as well. It seems to have gone out the window with this administration and Congress.

[JACK]

THE BIGOTS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK. PUDGE AND RUSH HAVE THEIR SOLDIERS ON THE GROUND.

[Jilly]

When I first learned of this controversy I didn't know what to think but the fact that Obama has spent at least close to a million (of other people's money of course) fighting this then I have to suspect there is something we need to see.

It's really unthinkable that he wouldn't have disclosed this voluntarily!!! I was born in Portland, Oregon and can prove it - no biggie.

Something is very wrong here.

[Alexander Gofen]

Try to comprehend the scope of this constitutional catastrophe.

Here is a short legal brief:

www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm

In spite of 230 years of institution of presidency, and in spite of all the pompous election campaigns of 43 previous presidents, America appeared to be ignorant in such a basic constitutional requirements to the position of the President as to be born to two American Citizens!

We are living through our worst days of infamy.

How on Earth could it happen with the people who have been electing presidents for 230 years, that an elected official for the highest position has never produced any paper:

Original, vault copy birth certificate - Not released
Certification of Live Birth - posted on Internet - Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce - Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro adoption records - Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce - Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School application - Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records - Not released
Selective Service Registration - Released - Counterfeit
Occidental College records - Not released
Passport - Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records - Not released
Columbia thesis - Not released
Harvard College records - Not released
Harvard Law Review articles - None
Baptism certificate - None
Medical records - Not released
Illinois State Senate records - None
Illinois State Senate schedule - Lost
Law practice client list - Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None

(Compiled by Kirk O. Hanson)

[stop conspiracy]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

stop spreading hate he was born here leave it alone now. mccain was born in panama, why dont you argue that.

[Marcia]

This is the greatest hoax every perpetrated on the American people. Barry Soetoro is a British Kenyan/Indonesian citizen. HE IS IN NO WAY ELIGIBLE FOR POTUS! No person would spend close to $1,000,000 to hide documents that would vindicate him. One of his first executive orders was to seal all of his personal papers. WHY? This is OUTRAGEOUS and UN-AMERICAN. This incompetent clown is systematically destroying America while the Kool-Aid drinkers with their heads firmly planted up their rear ends think all is well. We are sunk as a country if this man is not removed.

[Nathan]

He showed his certificate. You are all a bunch of angry, resentful whack jobs. I would like to see your birth certificates. I can't find mine are you going to tell me that I am not an American Citizen although my family name landed in Virginia in the 1600's? Whackos! Get a life. He won...big...get over it. Run Palin in '12 and lose again.

[OldGaDawg]

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.[U.S. Constitution].....http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.htm

I welcome anyone who can show reason that states that Mr. Obama has without a doubt the requirements of our U.S. Constitution to be lawfully our Commander and Chief.
Do not attempt to show the COLB because this is not an accepted form and that what has been viewed on line as the legal form has all ready been establish as a counterfeit and forgery.
As I've noted in several postings.... Mr. Obama.... Where's the birth certificate?

I'm sure if there is no reason to doubt his title as President? Then there should be only one way to show otherwise and that is to quit the campaign to spend tax payers monies in lawyers fees to keep this and other records from being seen if there's not a valid claim that he's legally our seated President.

Mr. Obama another question to which needs answering is [ Why your wife and children took a long trip to London to visit and have a small vacation - also at tax payers burden? ]

[Kathleen]

Finally, did you read this article from Guana?
http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/huh.html
"For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth."

[jaleh]

We need national healthcare that covers mental illness. This definitely proves that we do need a comprehensive healthcare system.

[Kathy]

I want all of you racist individuals to prove that you were born in the United States or that your parents were born or your grandparents or great-grandparents. How can you? Your birth certificate is your proof. My POTUS' grandmother DID NOT SAY I'm glad he was born in Kenya. If she made any kind of statement it was regarding his father - idiots. Show the proof that she said that. Or was that just what you wanted her to say.

[Dr. Conspiracy]

It appears that Orly has abandoned the totally bogus case she filed in January, and will substitute something entirely different before the next hearing.

This case will not get to discovery. She has no more grounds for her suit than Phil Berg did when his case was dismissed by Judge Surrick last year (and denied by the Supreme Court).

To those naive souls who think that showing a birth certificate would end the orchestrated smear campaign against Barack Obama, I just point them to the complaint Orly Taitz filed with the court yesterday. I don't see how a birth certificate addresses her contention that Obama has 100 different Social Security numbers, or that (as she claims) that sons of foreigners can never be president anyway.

[Don]

Obama promised a more open White House, one that was more transparent. Well guess again folks because this so called President is the one fully responsible for destroying the country right now. He is a liar on multiple levels.

I'm still upset at this idiot for saying we are not a Christian Nation. Since when Mr impostor. Then he has the audacity to say, because we have 6 million Muslims, this is one of the largest Muslin Nations.

The boy must be a Muslin to say these things, because he sure isn't a Christian.

All his Socialistic takeovers are the main reason our economy is tanking, it doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure that out.

It will only get worse with Barry in office. Even his economic adviser Giethner worked for the FEDERAL RESERVE and he is now calling the shots, FOR THEM. The people of this country are screwed.

[Geroge Black]

Why is this such a difficult process to comprehend? Obama pays $5.00 to get an official copy of his birth certificate, has it framed and hangs it in Congress so everyone can see? Is it really that hard? I don't care about his school records, whether he was a registered Moslem in Indonesia or if he spouted off Commie rhetoric in college. Just one simple, complete, notarized document. I'll pay the $5.00. The American electorate deserves an answer to what has become a vexing problem which Mr. Obama could have and should have solved ages ago. He is the one that makes it appear that he is hiding something and the heat in the kitchen is getting hotter everyday. I thought this guy was supposed to be brilliant.?

[SoCalJay]

The issue is NOT about a birth certificate. BHO's citizenship is NOT in question. What is in question however, is whether or not BHO meets the eligibility requirements set forth in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Additionally, Congress cannot change the provisions of the Constitution as they attempted to do for McCain by adopting a resolution confirming him to be a U.S. citizen. They don't have that authority.

The only way that this issue will be addressed is in the courts, specifically, the U.S. Supreme Court. The only way it can get there is if a case is brought to their attention. But if all cases brought to the lower courts are denied due to technical problems, we may never know for sure the answer to this question. The details and a good discussion are found here: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/.

As has already been stated for the benefit of all you who are quick to call someone a hater or worse, let me ask you this: If it were someone besides BHO, and they were doing everything possible to block access to such a simple document, wouldn't you question their motives? I know I would.

[George Black]

Dr. Conspiracy - You've missed the point for 98% of us. If he produces the document I go away and lick my wounds until 2010 when we start throwing these bums out D or R. Until he does 98% of us have real concerns. Most of us would say he won a fair election and we live peacefully with the results until next time. Don't be so sure that even if Orly Taitz's case gets put to bed that the issue will go away. It is a festering sore than Obama will have to address. The tide is rising against him and his arrogance on the matter. He is not a King and owes the American public some respect and real proof of birth.

[Lee Jennings]

In response to "AnonymousWoman", I love the tactic btw spew hate and run under cover of anonymity. If President Obama is a US citizen why won't he just prove it and be done with it? I would suggest you read the US Constitution, merely being born in the United States does not make you a US citizen. The point here is if he is not a US citizen then real US citizens have a severe dilemma on our hands.

[sarah]

Orly Taits is not with the COLB issue. She hops on anything that will lend credibility to the MIAC Report. She has simply decided to attach to the bither crowd because she can combine racist and right wingers to achieve the findings in that report. She is helping dismantle civil liberties by pretending to be concerned with Constitutional issues. Hell, she organized a "Hooray for Israel" rally to show support for Israel's raid on Lebanon.

[Leonard Henderson]

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." .... "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform." --Norman Thomas, perennial Presidential candidate of the U.S. Socialist Party (1944)

"Where once a tyrant had to wish that his subjects had but one common neck that he might strangle them all at once, all he has to do now is to 'educate the people' so that they will have but one common mind to delude." -- Richard Mitchell (1929-2002) Professor at Glassboro State College, NJ, author, founder and publisher of The Underground Grammarian

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!" -George W. Malone (1890-1961) U.S. Senator (Nevada) 1957 Source: speaking before Congress --And he said that exactly 50 years ago.

[johnnymarin]

If you voted Obama, you lost!

[Midr]

The article ignores so many significant details of the case. Not only did Obama and his lawyers fail to appear as per being served notice, which wasn't mentioned by the LA Times, but no mention is made that Obama has never produced, to qualify as POTUS, the hospital generated birth certificate from hospital of origin. What Obama presented to the public was a government issued and generated Certificate of Live Birth which any foreign born person can apply for late, or have amended. Hawaii statute 338-17.8 gives CoLB's to foreign born persons and states Hawaii as birth place.

[DemsAgainstObama]

What I've always found very interesting is the following:

- The FIRST Opposition to BHO came from DEMOCRATS and Republicans NEVER made this an issue because it truly is a DEMOCRAT problem if they put a usurper in the POTUS, then the entire SENATE & HOUSE DEMOCRATS stand to lose all credibility and could be tried for treason

- Hillary's Chief of Staff of her election campaign was personally pushing for the disclosure that BHO is not a real citizen, so Hillary stays in the race until she secretly meets with BHO, resigns the race and subsequently gets SOS position, drops the ‘birther problem’ that she was personally pressing for….

- No Senator or Congressman has ever admitted seeing BHO's birth certificate. Only fakecheck.org, which was funded by the Annenberg Foundation that BHO personally sat on the Board of Director’s for…conflict of interest, anyone?

- Hawaiian officials have never said they have a valid HI BC on record, only that they have a BC on record in accordance with 'state guidelines'....

- BHO personally admitted to Alan Keyes in the IL Senatorial Race / April 2004 debate regarding the fact that he wasn't a NBC because 'it didn't matter that he was a NBC, bec he wasn't running for President, anyway..."

- BHO NEVER had a US Passport prior to his Senate confirmation and then he was only given a DIPLOMATIC Passport, that does not confirm his original birth, nor has it actually been released.

- 50+% of Democrats know that BHO is not eligible, and all of these nah-sayers are just stooges for BHO

- Who are the haters again? DEMOCRATS leading the CHARGES against BHO? I really hope the DEMOCRATS are able to either clean house…or keep ‘the people’ duped for four years….oh wait, us DEMS are supposed to be much more enlightened then those red-neck hick REPUGS…LOL, what a joke!

Wow, sounds like a house-cleaning is coming and none to soon....I can’t wait to get some integrity back into our Party, this things stinks to high-heaven!

[Ugh]

stop conspiracy is such an idiot. How do you live with yourself. It's so sad how dumb you are. McCain isn't President. Why would we worry about his citizenship. We have every right to know if BO is a citizen. He is the one that said he wants transparency. What's the problem-show the real long form birth certificate. He is spending trillions of our dollars and he isn't reading the bill. We need to know if he is legitimate.

[LawGirl]

On behalf of the reality-based Orange County community, I wish to apologize to the President of the US. I know you are busy trying to solve a lot of bigger problems...problems caused by prior Presidents. Please, don't take your eye off of these problems to focus attention on some who cannot possibly believe that you are President - refuse to believe it. You could present videotape of your birth at Pearl Harbor, and there will be many who will question whether the tape was doctored.

That's the way it is. Sad, but true. I'm sorry.

[redsoxfan]

Since the COLB is proven fake, and document fraud and a felony I think we should arrest Joe Gibbs , start there he said "we put it out" and then Gov. Lingle , and then Dr Fujiwhater his name is - Someone will crack

I put my money On Gibbs to crack first

Since it is a federal crime Obama should be placed in Leavenworth Kansas. poor Michelle, no more hoi poloi
President Fraud and Vice President deceit

[faucetman]

To you that THINK Obama is an American or IS eligible to be president, let me assure you that you are WRONG. I have researched this EXTENSIVELY. First of all, you are CORRECT that McCain was NOT eligible EITHER. He is NOT a natural born citizen. He was born in a foreign country, PERIOD. Canal zone not U.S. territory, NEVER WAS. McCain is a citizen though by his birth parents and by statute passed for Canal Zone Americans. He was NOT born on a navy base and it wouldnt matter anyway. Parents in military, again doesnt matter. LOOK IT UP, I did.
Obama, absolutely NOT a "natural born citizen" article II, section1, clause 5. His father was a BRITISH citizen when Obama was born. That's it. He could be born in Hawaii and it doesnt matter because his PARENTS HAVE TO HAVE BEEN CITIZENS WHEN OBAMA WAS BORN AND HIS FATHER WAS NOT. Technicality you say? It's only the CONSTUTION. His mother was not of legal age to pass citizenship on to Obama if he was not born in Hawaii which is in doubt. The so-called birth certificate that WAS online is a FORGERY. Google it. It is from 2007 for gods sake. Let's see the one from 1961? It is VERY likely that Obama is NOT a citizen AT ALL. That we have an illegal alien as our president. But in any case he DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION FOR PRESIDENT. He just doesn't.

[sickandtired]

I AM SICK OF YOU WHITE AMERICANS, WHO JUST CAN'T STAND THAT A BLACK/WHITE MAN WON>

SHUTE UP ALREADY, AND START ACTING LIKE ADULTS.

HE;S BLACK AND OUR PRESIDENT LIKE IT OR NOT. IF THE GENTLEMEN DOES NOT WANT TO SERVE UNDER HIS COMMAND, THE GIVE HIM A DIS-HONERABLE DISCHARGE AND LET HIM GO.

[Karen]

Actually now when looking at that clause there could ONLY be a few scenerios all together that would make him unqualified.

Let's say he wasn't born in Hawaii and was born somewhere else but became a U.S. citizen, he is still qualified to become President IF he has been a resident 14 years.

BUT if his mother and father have not been residents in the US physically for 14 years AND when he is born, he is born not in the US and never gets citizenship or doesn't have citizenship and physiclally lived with in US for 14 years before POTUS.............then NO POTUS

that's how I read it..... seems far fetched to me.

[B Fuller]

BO is an illegal alien. The lunatic Holder should be prosecuting him for illegal trespass and deporting him or at least sending him to Guantanamo Bay. His father was British and his mother was underage and could not pass citizenship. He in no way qualifies under the Constitution to be POTUS. A birth certificate would only confuse the issue if he had individuals listed on the document who he had not mentioned. Additionally, McCain was questioned about his birth. For the record, NEITHER candidate was qualified to be POTUS. We as citizens of this great country should be outraged by the arrogance of the current group of politicians who ignore our rights to their line their pockets. Lastly, to the individual who said he could not produce his birth certificate. You obviously have nothing and travel nowhere or are lying to make a point. EVERYONE born in the United States is required to have a birth certificate, no exceptions. What are you trying to hide?

[d2i]

I'm as surprised as everyone else that Ms. Taitz was able to get Judge Carter to rule to move this case forward. Like many of you, I too wish for this Constitutional question be resolved once and for all and sooner rather than later.

Also, like many of you I have followed this drama since it first started to unfold nearly a year ago. I am a Dem. I am not racist. I want the truth. That's it. Name calling or fingering the R's with pushing for the truth about this very serious issue only shows your lack of understanding about the laws that govern our society. I'd ask you to stop but know better. Name calling seems to be what many of you do best.

There are a couple of items posted that are inaccurate in nature, and I'd like to be afforded the opportunity to clear them up.

First, because Barack Obama Sr. was a subject of the British Crown at the time Barack Jr. was born, Barack Sr.'s children, all of them, became subjects of the British Crown. Barack Jr. has stated this very clearly on his former "Fight the Smears" website which has since been srubbed. If you wish to read what his campaign wrote visit just about any blog covering this story and you can pull it up and read it with your own eyes.

What this means is that Barack Sr's loyalty lied with the Brits. Ann Stanley Dunham, Barack Jr's mothers, loyalties lie with the USA. When Barack was born to these two individuals he became a citizen of the US by virtue of his mother's citizenship AND a subject aka citizen of the British Colony aka Kenya.

This status of citizenship is known as "Dual" citizenship. Note: some argue that if Barack Jr was born in Kenya then his mother was to young to pass on US citizenship, hence, why folks want to see his original vaulted long-form birth certificate.

To complicate matters further, Barack Obama Jr was adopted by an Indonesian citizen named Lolo Soetoro. If he was adopted under the age of 5 he would have automatically become a citizen of Indonesia regardless of a legal adoption. Note - the US gave deference to sovereign territory laws regarding dual citizenship, ie., American and Indonesia or British and Indonesian, etc. Indonesia, at that time, did not recognize dual and only recognized Indonesian citizenship. Therefore, Barack Jr through adoption became an Indonesian citizen. No, he did not ask for this but as a minor child he was under his parents guardianship.

If Barack Obama Jr. went to Indonesia at the age of 6 he would have had to have been formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesian court. The citizenship status, as noted above, would still apply.

Now, we already know that Barack, by birth, was a dual national, British and American, which means he can only be a "native" citizen, that is, if he was born in Hawai'i as he has stated AND if when he returned from Indonesia he applied for and received his status as a naturalized citizen. If he did not apply for naturalization then he is an illegal alien. Few question whether he didn't apply for naturalization but there is no record of it to date so it cannot be ruled out.

Our Founding Fathers made it clear in Article II of the US Constitution that the President must be NOT may be a "Natural Born Citizen" for a reason. They wanted this leader to have loyalties ONLY to the USA rather than divided loyalties such as the USA and Britian - remember these good men gave blood and treasure during the Revolutionary War to secure freedom from the British Crown. They did not want the leader of this country to be loyal to any other homeland.

The definition of a "Natural Born" citizen is two "natural born" parents of the USA. It's nothing more complicated than this. For example, someone below stated their family dwelled in Virginia and had roots that went back to the 1600s. If you were to marry another natural born individual and the two of you had a child in the USA or abroad at a military base or embassy your child would be a NBC.

Barack Obama Jr., by birth, never had the citizenship status of a "natural born" child and is therefore ineligible to serve as the President of the USA according to the laws that govern our nation.

Now if you want to direct your hostility to the appropriate parties who looked the other way then please look no further than the DNC, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Diane Feinstein. These are the culprits who signed off on the eligibility documents required by individual state's Board of Elections. The Party is the sole determiner in vetting their candidates eligibility. No federal agent is required by law to vet said candidates.

Barack Obama Jr is by definition under our laws a "native citizen" AND NOT a "natural born citizen". This is fact as he has clearly stated himself. Because people are scratching their heads and saying to themselves this guy isn't eligible doesn't mean we are racists or any other derogatory name some of you wish to hurl. If we look the other way and dismiss this then why should any citizen obey the law? Furthermore, we should not be setting a precedent for anyone to be ABOVE the law either. My goodness, if Dems look the other way what makes you think the Reps wouldn't try to pull the same charade. Think Jindal.

[Ed]

DR Orly was interview last night on the Plains Radio Network. You can hear this interview replayed at 6 pm central tonight. come to www.plainsradio.com/radio.html and list to her interview. If you really want the truth, then come and hear it.

[Dave D.]

Actually, what Obama produced was NOT a government produced document. Hawaii has never released any of Obama's documents. What Obama posted on the web was actually a forged document made to appear similar to what Hawaii might produce if a COLB was requested.Experts determined it was absolutely forged. Funny, Hawaii knows they did not issue it but yet they sit back and say nothing.

And finally, to Anonymous...where do you get your facts? It is clueless brain-dead Obamatards like you who make America a perverted place. Oh..Obama told you he was bornn in Hawaii. Let's see, so far. everything Obama has ever said has turned out to be a lie. He has even been on the record as having said he was born in two different hospitals. That's a real trick, born at the same time in two different places!

People like Anonymous should never get into political discussions because they make themselves look dumber than a stump with their lack of any real information other than the propoganda they hear. Hey Anonymous...let's hear about Global Warming. If Al Gore said it was sunny outside, you better grab an umbrella. You people are a pathetic joke.

[Levi Johnson]

you want to know why obama doesnt release his "real" birth certificate?

he likes watching you squirm. he likes watching the veins in your foreheads swell to bursting with anger. he likes giving you some of your own medicine. you know, the kind sane people had to choke down the last 8 years.

squirm. raise that blood pressure. make those sweaty faces beet red with rage.

the majority of america is enjoying the schadenfreude.

[Dan]

If you can't acknowledge the President of the United States, then leave the country. We don't need traitors like you.

[Jon]

I'd love to read what the U.S. Constitution says about this. Too bad Bush ripped it in half during his years in office!

[McCain]

Where is McCain real birth certificate? Why did he lied about where he was born at? Is McCain an illegal immigratant who's running the senate floor?

[Vicki]

I am so sick of Barack Obama, et al - being above the law! If anything, a President of the USA should be held accountable and be a symbol of Law for America.

The Courts should be - should have been demanding that B. H. Obama submit his long form birth certificate before he was considered a presidential nominee.

This is beyond any words I can write to express how I feel.

[David A. Wickman]

I understand that there are no records of Obama's Mom being in a hospital in Hawaii during this period of time. Where did she deliver Obama? Kenya!

[Mike B.]

Something is terribly wrong in America when so many people are so ready to offer evidence that should have them institutionalized for massively delusional behavior.

Obama's mother was a citizen. According to civics understood even by schoolchildren, that makes him one as well regardless of where he was born (and the credible evidence ALL says it was Hawaii). And if the courts were, against all reason, to declare otherwise:

*Every American under the same circumstances--thousands, if not more--would be retroactively stripped of citizenship. Good luck deporting 'em all, particularly those who have never returned to their birth countries, aren't of that nationality, and don't speak the language.

*You'd get Biden as President and, probably, Hillary as VP. (I'm sure you'd all be thrilled by that prospect.)

*You would find yourself with absolutely no political power whatsoever. None. The country would be horrified to see an obvious technicality used to overturn an election with a clear winner. Think the Democrats have big majorities right now? You ain't seen nothing yet.

If you want to change America, start making some bloody sense. Convince people that you're right instead of screaming that we should turn the country upside down to satisfy you. Does it look like we have that kind of time to waste right now?

[Greg Sabine]

Although this reporting lacks true journalistic integrity by virtue of the many glaring omissions, wonderfully, it indicates that those who simply seek the TRUTH about a potential usurper and tyrant are gaining momentum. As the great statesman (and future president) Dr. Keyes has advised, we should keep educating and mobilizing until we reach "critical mass."

Barack Obama could have ended the controversy long ago by providing the one document which every American kid must produce in order to be eligible to play Little League baseball. The very fact that he has resisted - hiring four law firms and spending over 800,000 dollars - indicates that he is hiding something. He can run but he can't hide forever.

The Russian born Attorney Dr. Orly Taitz is commended for her exemplary patriotism, perseverance and courage.

The truth WILL out - and I'm afraid it's going to bite hard.

God bless Attorney Taitz.

Greg Sabine, teacher
344 No. Quincy Street
Brockton, MA 02302
(508)583-5515

[foundingfodder]

Dontcha just love the slinking liberals on this blog trying desperately to run interference on the birth certificate issue? Either they are all putting the awful public school education of their youth on display, OR, they can feel the momentum this legit constitutional disqualifier is building amongst the sheeple and correctly fear the backlash/crisis against their "movement" that will ensue. First, to every half-wit that said that they were born on U.S. soil but can't produce their B.C. and doubts many of us could, I answer: go to the county of your birth, request authentic birth certificate, and wait for clerk to produce. Tada! Second, to every loathsome toad that mentioned John McCain (Rino yutz that he is) being born in Panama and how all of us stupid shout radio followers should ponder that mystery I give you this from your own Wikipedia: "John McCain was born on August 29, 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama, to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912).[2] At that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control." Sooooooooooooooo, born on American soil (American controlled military base) check, to American born parents, check. Thus, elibible to run for POTUS. Third, to all the egomaniacs who by their quotes of "sore loser Republicans are just throwing fits" comments betraying their own deepest darkest feelings, I say: anyone spending that much money and time on keeping every single shred of evidence about his past from coming to light MUST be hiding something and I would be more than willing to wait on the mid-terms to begin the dismantling of your little coup...if the poser POTUS will simply release his records and prove his constitutional eligibility. Don't you realize that a scam of this magnitude WILL eventually come to light? And what do you suppose will result? We will all see some REAL sore losers on that day I'm betting.

[FreedomMarcher]

This is NOT a citizenship issue. This is a Constitutional issue regarding Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 that requires the POTUS to be a "natural born citizen." BHO has already admitted that his father was a Kenyan citizen. That being the case, there is reasonable doubt that he is ineligible to hold the position. Remember, Congress cannot change or interpret the Constitution. That is the job of the SCOTUS.

Here's a well thought out question for them...

During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?

[Kathleen]

obama's grandmother says he was born in kenya. She said she was present at his birth. Google it and you will find plenty of documentation of this. Africa says he was born there, his Grandmother said she WITNESSED his birth there. Take the blinders off.

[SoCalJay]

Some good, rational discussion has taken place, but there are those who still resort to name-calling like little children. What has race to do with the Constitution, or a requirement set forth by the Constitution? I always understood that the law, albeit imperfect, was supposed to be blind.

The fact is that the "natural born" clause of the Constitution has never been challenged in a court of law, let alone before the SCOTUS. There have been several important citizenship cases that support the clause, however. For those who state that Hawaii produced a copy of BHO's BC, they didn't. They only affirmed that it existed. Go check for yourself if you're not sure.

Even if he was born in Hawaii, making him a U.S. Citizen, he can never be a "natural born" citizen because his father, at the time of his birth was a Kenyan (a.k.a. British Subject) citizen. That in itself should be all that is needed. Except that no one could foresee the audacity of a candidate to test the system, especially a constitutional lawyer.

The State of Hawaii does not have a legal requirement to check the eligibility requirements of a candidate for president, nor do any other states that I'm aware of. So other than the possibility of being unethical, they have broken no laws. That is why they fail at the state level. The Federal Election Commission however, and the Democratic Party, do hold some responsibility for vetting a candidate. It is yet to be determined if they can be held liable.

The only legal means to challenge this "audacity of hope" is through Quo Warranto in the District of Columbia, which is not a state. But the longer that time marches on, the more difficult it will be to accomplish this feat. Mainly because political operatives are taking over as we speak, and there will remain nobody to initiate the challenge.

As for Keyes, McCain, and Jindal, those cases never went to court either. In McCain's case, Congress passed a resolution confirming his "natural born" status. The only problem is, the resolution was unconstitutional. They don't have the power to make that determination, only the Supreme Court does. And why would they do it? The answer should be obvious, for what comes in the future.

Just like in California, politicians are in bed together, even across the aisle. Californians have been trying for years to get a reasonable redistricting law in place, but state legislators won't support it. Why? Because a great many of them would probably lose their jobs, Dems and Repubs alike. When you raise it to the national level, the stakes of the game are higher, and they play hardball. If this issue ever gets to the SCOTUS, both parties would be hurt.

So for all the shouts out there about haters, racists, and bigots, get over yourselves already and go do your homework. It's out there if you really want to know. I have a sneaky suspicion however, that you really don't. Have a nice day.

[Darren Potter]

In response to Mike B.'s comment of: ---"Obama's mother was a citizen. According to civics understood even by schoolchildren, that makes him one as well regardless of where he was born (and the credible evidence ALL says it was Hawaii)."---
Under the laws in force at the time, Obama's mother had not been a citizen of the U.S. long enough to automatically pass on citizenship to Obama. So much for Schoolchildren civics 101.

As for "credible evidence", what would that be???
The posted image on Obama's website, even if it is real, does not prove Obama is a "natural born citizen". Read up on the differences between Hawaii Certification and Certificates.
As far as websites like Snopes, those websites carry no legal weight. Snopes is run by a husband and wife who do the best they can, but they are not law officers or officers of a court.

As such, where is the court-acceptable legal-proof that Obama is a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America?

[d2i]

Posted by: Mike B. | July 14, 2009 at 01:42 PM -

You sound like a reasonable individual. Please read Article II and then come back and tell us how one US parent equals "natural born citizen". It does not. It takes two, 2, US citizens.

Secondly, this crisis began last summer. Many of us Dems were pleading with friends and family telling them that Obama was ineligible and to please get informed. Nearly 40+ lawsuits have been filed and dismissed on standing. Phil Berg filed a suit in the summer of last year to stop this trainwreck and Judge Surrick dismissed the suit on "standing". He and other attorney's and plaintiffs tried to get the issue before the SCOTUS before the inauguration and they were dismissed or never seen by SCOTUS.

You may believe "we" are doing something to "you" but you are dead wrong. The only guilty parties in all of this mess are the leaders of the DNC. They are the ones ultimately responsible for vetting the eligibility of a Presidential candidate. The second opportunity is with the Board of Elections in each respective state. Barack signed an affadavit in Arizona testifying to his "natural born citizen" status and then posted on his Fight the Smears website that he was a "native born citizen". Two very different and distinct citizenship classes. How do you square that? And the Secretary's of the State Board of Elections rely on the truthfulness of the respective Party's leadership regarding eligibility status. The third opportunity was the electoral college and they too let us down.

Please, take your self righteous anger and frustration and gear it towards those who created this Constitutional crisis. Don't blame it on those of us who bothered to learn all of the ends and outs of this lie or hoax, who tried to warn anybody and everybody who would dare listen and just report the facts or those of us who happen to believe that the US Constitution stands for something.

Geez luiz, besides ignoring all of the chatter during the primary and the general you actually may have wanted to pay attention, learn the facts and to decide for yourself your own truth.

The only ones to blame for this brewing crisis are the DNC and Barack himself. Dems are pushing just as hard for the truth if not harder than the Reps. Don't be fooled into believing this is a partisan issue. It's not. It's an American issue; one in which every American should be concerned about.

[ACORN Is on this PAGE]

ACORN is all over this page. Those who defend Obama. So America get the truth, then ACORN will be desolved.

[Dick]

your a fraud. i can't wait till you FFFFFAIL.

[Bryan]

Everyone is missing the point. The constitution states "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." The supreme court has defined in numerous cases that natural born Citizen, requires that both parents be citizens of the US. Obama's father is not a US Citizen, only his mother is. He cannot be qualified.

[Darren Potter]

In response to Dennis' question: ---"If Obama isn't a citizen, then why was notice of his birth in Hawaii published in the local newspaper when he was born?"---
How else would friends of the Obama family know, Ann Dunham had given birth to Obama in Kenya?

Kidding aside: It is just a birth announcement that could be placed by anyone, parents, family, grandparents, or friends of the family. The announcement says nothing of where the birth occurred at. All the birth announcement says is "Hey ______ parents had a kid".

[Darren Potter]

In reply to anonymouswoman's statement of: ---"First of all, President Barack Obama IS a U.S. citizen! He was born the the STATE of HAWAII in 1961."---
Can you provide proof that will stand-up in court to backup your statement?
- or --
Is this just what you believe or your opinion?

[LEEROY]

I sure would like to know how many other presidents have shown their original long form birth certificate. From what I've heard (but not researched) every single one as well as all supreme court justices.

I guess this one does not have to because he is part black, anybody think of any other reasons??? (Affirmative action honkey).

[Steve]

Article 1 Section 2:

Must be 35years of age

14 years a resident prior to candidacy

A Natural Born Citizen-

Natural born is a person born on US soil or what is considered US soil (Within the boundaries of the US, it's territories, it's protectorates, it's military installations including foreign and domestic, US Embassies, US flagged Vessels or US flagged Aircraft.

Both parents must be US citizens at the time of infant's birth.

Parents, can be any form of recognized citizen-Natural Born US Citizen, Naturalized US Citizen( ie an immigrant who later becomes a citizen), Born US Citizen (ie Born in a foreign land by a mother who is a US citizen-the mother passes born citizenship in this case).

Office of The President is the only office that requires Natural Born Citizenship.

[NewEnglandPatriot]

I think the Los Angeles Times is minimizing the level of victory that those of us who want the Constitution upheld received yesterday. For this rag of a newspaper to even mention it, they know it was a big deal, not a "small victory."

If the judge actually said he's going to hear the "merits" of the case, that means he's going to hear the case. No more word games here, as in the definition of the word "is." Of course, if Obama would simply produce his birth documents and other records, all of this would go away. But he won't. He's a narcissistic child who never grew up due to his highly dysfunctional, Marxist family, and he apparently is incapable of admitting when he's made a mistake...such as running for President of the United States without being a natural-born citizen!

[rxsid]

"Obama's mother was a citizen. According to civics understood even by schoolchildren, that makes him one as well regardless of where he was born (and the credible evidence ALL says it was Hawaii). And if the courts were, against all reason, to declare otherwise:

*Every American under the same circumstances--thousands, if not more--would be retroactively stripped of citizenship. Good luck deporting 'em all, particularly those who have never returned to their birth countries, aren't of that nationality, and don't speak the language.

*You'd get Biden as President and, probably, Hillary as VP. (I'm sure you'd all be thrilled by that prospect.)"

Your attempt at 'educating' folks is miserable.

1) The issue here is "Natural Born Citizen" NOT "Citizen"

2) There is nothing "credible" about a digital pic of an alleged short form HI COLB posted on an internet site.

3) There is only 1 position in all of government that Constitutionally REQUIRES one be "NBC" and that is of course for the Commander in Chief, the President. This has nothing to do with "thousands - if not more" private citizens, or even Govenor's like CA's foreign born Gov. Only POTUS.

4) Barry was (admitted to by himself on his campaign web site now scrubbed), born with FOREIGN citizenship (British). Furthermore, there is no known reference to Barry renouncing or somehow loosing his British citizenship he's had since birth.

5) Barry's father was never a U.S. citizen of any kind (Naturalized or Natural Born). He was simply visiting here on a student visa.

6) Senator Lehay and (then) Secretary Chertoff, while discussing Senate resolution 511, stated that it was they're understanding that McCain was a NBC even though he was born outside of the U.S. because he was born to two citizen parents. Question: Why did they feel the need to address McCain's eligibility question, but not Barry's? http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html. B.t.w McCain isn't eligible either (see below).

7) There is no known alternative definition for NBC to that of Vattel's. The framers even relied on Vattel's work, openly reading and referring it during the Constitutional convention itself. Two citizen parents, born in country. That's a NBC.

Speaking of "story scrubbing", even the "all important" snopes is CHANGING their story on his alleged birth hospital:
"News sites swap Obama's birthplace like magic UPI, Snopes change location within hours of WND report"
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103465

"Obama's 'birth hospital' in astonishing cover-up Once proudly celebrated president, now in active mode to hide 'proof'
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103633

Obviously, there is "something" on Barry's long form B.C. that he doesn't want the public to see. It's why he continues to hide that document and others from his past, under lock and key!

Examples of Hawaiian Long Form COLB’s:
1963 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:
http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2252293c4604a0100a80270e5000e-pi
1962 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg

The NUREMBERG TRIALS showed that if an officer of the military followed Illegal orders, he too could be charged with war crimes. Simply "following orders" isn't a defense within the Geneva convention treaties. Since there is ample evidence that Barry may very well not be qualified, the Army officer is saying to the court...he needs to be certain the orders given to him are LAWFUL in that they originate from someone Constitutionally eligible to give those orders. Otherwise, as he correctly points out, if he were to wind up as a POW...he himself could be charged with war crimes for following illegal orders.

B.T.W. If/when Barry is removed, and Biden is determined to be POTUS, then at least he's Constitutionally qualified! People may not like his politics, but he would be a legit POTUS.

[Americanboy123]

"Obama's mother was a citizen. According to civics understood even by schoolchildren, that makes him one as well regardless of where he was born (and the credible evidence ALL says it was Hawaii). And if the courts were, against all reason, to declare otherwise."

This is completely WRONG.

IF Obama was born in Kenya in 1961, then he falls under the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) laws for that time period. Since his father was foreign, and not being born of two U.S. parents, we have to look at the mother. The INA law in 1961 (and for all persons born between Dec 24, 1952-Nov 13, 1986) states that in order for a U.S. parent to transfer NATIVE citizenship status to their child, they had to have lived for at least 10 CONTINUOUS years in the United States or it's territories with FIVE of those years being after the age of 16. Obama's mother had him at the age of 18 and was living abroad. IF he was born in Kenya, and not Hawaii, his mother DID NOT transfer citizenship status to him under Jus Sanguinis (law of the blood) or Jus Soli (law of the soil meaning areas under U.S. law such as bases, embassies, U.S. territories, or the Panama Canal Zone). Those SIMPLY claiming that he was born a U.S. Citizen because his mom was are COMPLETELY WRONG.

[LEEROY]

you didn't get the memo??? first part black president not required to show proof of natural born citizenship because he is above the law.

What else could it be since every single other president has gladly shown their's????

[LEEROY]

anonymous woman you need an education. do you be nowin what a natural born citizen be????

[AAAAANDRE]

I Believe!, I Believe!
That Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

[Americanboy1234]

"Obama's mother was a citizen. According to civics understood even by schoolchildren, that makes him one as well regardless of where he was born (and the credible evidence ALL says it was Hawaii). And if the courts were, against all reason, to declare otherwise:"

This is not correct. It is more complicated than that.

IF Obama was born in Kenya in 1961, then he falls under the INA (Immigration and Nationality Act) laws for that time period. Since his father was foreign, and not being born of two U.S. parents, we have to look at the mother. The INA law in 1961 (and for all persons born between Dec 24, 1952-Nov 13, 1986) states that in order for a U.S. parent to transfer NATIVE citizenship status to their child, they had to have lived for at least 10 CONTINUOUS years in the United States or it's territories with FIVE of those years being after the age of 16. Obama's mother had him at the age of 18 and was living abroad. IF he was born in Kenya, and not Hawaii, his mother DID NOT transfer citizenship status to him under Jus Sanguinis (law of the blood) or Jus Soli (law of the soil meaning areas under U.S. law such as bases, embassies, U.S. territories, or the Panama Canal Zone). Those SIMPLY claiming that he was born a U.S. Citizen because his mom was are COMPLETELY WRONG.

[Michael]

All of you obot supporters will realize the truth in a few months. Lemmings have no recourse, they are followers, and followers do not posses the ability to think freely, or understand facts, or the Constitution,Bill of rights, and Declaration of Independence. Do you lemmings even realize your rights and freedoms are in jepardy? Do you lemmings realize your taxes are going to explode! I guess that $13.00 a week you get in your paycheck(if you have a job) placates you into submission as the new administration wants. As we have witnessed the hate and vulgarity, a non stop attack on conservatives, because libs are deathly afraid. As they should be. The last election has proven that the majority of the population are indeed, morons. Now we have seen one failing policy after another by the usurper, except aspects of foriegn policy that maintains BUSH"S. I shun Bush haters, as they should be. The amont of morons that were incapable of seeing the writing on the wall in Nov. does not surprise me. The Dems decided to launch this facsist into canidancy because wouldn't it be nice to have a black president, and that would make all the guilt go away. This will most likely be the LAST time dems control anything. the case will be heard, facts will superceed emotions, and soetoro will live out his days in the monkeyhouse with his coward holder. I will make it a point to give him smokes, they are like GOLD on the inside.

[gordo Ruiz]

These comments are both amusing and amazing. There certainly is no end of idiots who will believe just about anything without the need to go out and prove it themselves!

Whatever happens in the court case, DEFINITELY I'm going to vote to re-elect President Obama. The governor of my state and the mayor of my city both seemed to think he was president when he came to LA, and I do too.

[Jones]

"Obama, absolutely NOT a "natural born citizen" article II, section1, clause 5. His father was a BRITISH citizen when Obama was born. That's it. He could be born in Hawaii and it doesnt matter because his PARENTS HAVE TO HAVE BEEN CITIZENS WHEN OBAMA WAS BORN AND HIS FATHER WAS NOT. Technicality you say? It's only the CONSTUTION"

In fact, the constitution doesn't define at all what "citizen" or "natural-born"are supposed to mean. So, we go to judicial precedent to find out what these terms mean. The United States v. Wong Kim Ark court ruled in 1898 that even if the parents of a child were both subjects of a foreign power, as long as the child was born in U.S. territory and resides in a permanent residence in the country, that child is a citizen of the United States. Furthermore, they used British common law to define a natural born citizen as any child born within U.S. territory, even to two foreign parents.

As I see it, the arguments concerning dual citizenship and misguided semantic spats over what the Constitution says are red herrings. In reality, the law of the land states that any child born in the country or one of its territories is a natural-born citizen regardless of the status of their parents' loyalties. This means that the only way Obama is not a citizen is if he was not born in Hawaii, and the truth is that he was. However, those who didn't vote for him, don't like him and despise everything he represents will still be compelled to make their case. Fine, this is democracy and dissent serves an integral part; but lets keep the arguments to just the facts please, and not lies and half-truths designed to strengthen arguments by duping people who haven't read up on the isue themselves.