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Opponents of Barack Obama's presidency claim small court victory

Supporters of a case that disputes the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency claimed a small victory today when U.S. District Judge David O. Carter told them to fix their paperwork and that he would listen to "the merits" of their case. But others present for the hearing Monday at the federal courthouse in Santa Ana stressed that the case remains a long way from ever getting a full airing in court and may never get to that point.

The case, Alan Keyes, et al. v Barack H. Obama, et al. was filed on Inauguration Day and is one of a raft of suits alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural born citizen.” Such claims have fared badly in court to date. In December, for example, the Supreme Court dismissed without comment a case challenging Obama’s right to take the oath of office.

Perhaps because of that history, Orly Taitz, the lawyer who filed the current suit, was greatly cheered by Monday’s hearing. "He's very determined to hear the case on the merits," Taitz said, referring to the judge. "He stated, the country needs to know if Mr. Obama is legitimate, if he can legitimately stay in the White House."

That’s not quite the way Asst. U.S. Atty. David DeJute heard the judge’s comments. Thom Mrozek, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said that “the judge did make a bunch of comments about having the matter correctly and thoroughly aired, once and if they got to the merits of the actual lawsuit, which was not the subject of today's discussion."

The key word is “if,” Mrozek stressed. “We're literally at procedural grounds at this point in time," he said.

At a previous hearing, Carter had ruled that Taitz had not properly served the case on Obama. In Monday's hearing, both Taitz and DeJute tried to prematurely argue the merits of the case. Carter, a former marine, told both parties that the case could easily be tied up for months or another year on procedural technicalities. A better approach would be for Taitz just to file the paperwork so that the case could proceed without more delays, the judge said.

Once the paperwork is filed, the government has 60 days to respond.

-- Tami Abdollah in Santa Ana

 
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I miss the Constitution.

I have to give credit to people in such denial of reality. They are certainly persistent.

By the way, I would like to see a copy of Alan Keyes' birth certificate along with certification of the certification of any exams he has undergone to prove his fitness to move around in society without strict medical supervision.

Maybe it will get aired in federal court, maybe not, but at least it has a shot.

I am sick and tied of theose ignorant morons b***hing about somebody's birth certificate! First of all, President Barack Obama IS a U.S. citizen! He was born the the STATE of HAWAII in 1961. Hawaii OFFICIALLY became a U.S. state in 1959. Get over it you McCain/Palin punks and LEAVE THAT MAN'S BIRTH CERITFICATE ALONE! He is our president, and if you don't like it, PACK YOUR BAGS AND GET THE H*** OUT OF HERE!

Obama is not eligible to be president, otherwise he would simply present his paperwork to those questioning his eligibility and end the matter.

Instead he's putting up a fight against doing a simple thing. And the documents he has released are dubious -- just like his apparently fake Selective Service registration documents to cover up for the fact that he never registered for the draft.

Obama is the lackey of the wealthy and was groomed for his post by them to carry out certain tasks that others could not carry out at this time. The court will not hear this case. Not by a long shot, because they are owned and controlled by the same masters.

Why is president Obama through U.S. Attorney DeJute, wasting taxpayer money obstructing the simple release of his true birth certificate? What does he have to hide? American Citizens show their own birth certificates every day for all kinds of government services. The one posted is not a true long form birth certificate and some say it is a forgery. Yet, Obama has a battery of lawyers obstructing the release of his. Every American must demand he release all details of is birthplace immediately and end all these smoke and mirrors. The longer this goes on the worse it gets for America. The rules as demanded by our Constitution must be followed immediately. See www.wnd.com. Where is the Birth Certificate? The only explanation for all his obstruction is that he knows he his not a natural born citizen as demanded by our constitution.

Churchill famously declared his resolve to, "fight on the beaches" following the retreat of Allied forces from the battle of Dunkirk in 1940.

We see Team Obama putting up the same determination in winning one of it's key battles, the fight to prevent the disclosure of the place and time of birth of the president.

Reporter: "Hey President Bush, would you mind telling us the place and date of your birth?"

W: "Sure, bud, I was born in New Haven, Connecticutt in 1946. Thanks for asking."

Reporter: "Hey President Clinton, would you mind telling us the place and date of your birth?"

Bubba: "I was born in bed." (laughing, then getting serious and biting his lip) "Actually, I was born into poverty at the Julia Chester Hospital in Hope, August 1946. Say, you're kinda cute, honey, want to get a burger with me, and I can tell you all about it."

Reporter: "Hey President Obama, would you mind telling us the place and date of your birth?"

Obama: "We will fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. Under no circumstance can you ever force me to disclose that information."

I mean, come on, my son had to present an original birth certificate to play Little League baseball! No president has ever fought the disclosure of such a trivial piece of information before. Why would he? It's irrelevant, right? I mean, since Obama was born in the United States. Right? He was, right?

Right?

There MUST be something to this. Obama just needs to show the appropriate docs once and for all. I have read that he won't release his college records and some have posted on the internet because he was listed as his alias-Barry Soetoro and he wrote some very radical anti-war stuff that mimics Ayers and his Pastor Wright's way of thinking.

WHY does this article's headline say "opponemts" of Obama? Just because some American people are concerned about an important issue, they should not be painted as sore losers.

Well, well, well...there is actually one judge in America who just might be interested in seeing Hussein's Birth Certificate...
and no, I'm not talking about that bogus "Certification of Live Birth" that's been floating around the Internet for months.

Any 9-yr old with access to a PC could have produced that phony document. We wanna see the original, Hussein.

And someone please inform the reporter of this piece, "Tami Abdollah in Santa Ana" that there is no such thing as a "fomer marine" when referring to a United States Marine . "Once a Marine, always a Marine." Unless the Marine has been Dishonorably Discharged at which time they are referred to as an "Ex-Marine." And when referring to United States Marines, "Marine" is capitalized, thank you.

Now back to your Birth Certificate, Hussein...

Semper Fi,
Mr. Right

Team Obama is running scared. They took down their "Fight The Smears" website, and all of its archives.

They scrubbed letters sent to one hospital acknowledging it as his place of birth, only to have Obama mention a different hospital as to where he was born.

Then, of course, there is the matter of online "Certification of Live Birth" (COLB) which I proved was a fabricated fake, and that Hawaii never issued this COLB. This implicates Obama, members of his staff, and Factcheck in a document fraud scheme, for creating and proffering a false identification document, which is a felony, by forging a government-issued birth certificate, and using it to deceive the America media and the voting public.

The truth will come out.

Good luck Orly. Let's find out if this guy is eligible or not. If so, I will embrace him as my president. He needs to prove 100% that he is a natural born citizen and therefore qualified to be POTUS before I will accept him.

The central issue on birth certificates is simply getting public attention for a circus. There is no absolute requirement for a birth certificate in the USA, since births have taken place in rural settings and have been recorded in family bibles, for example. That Obama has a passport usually means he has objective proof of citizenship. If he has not been naturalized, then he is presumed native born. End of circus, period.

Email this to everyone. Tell people about it. If it so far fetched, why hasn't it been addressed? Why did Obama's grandmother say she was so proud the day he was born in Kenya? She said he was born in Kenya! This isn't the only issue with Barack Obama. He has a history of dealing with criminals, Communists, and Anarchists. He is doing all he can to erase American Culture with his use of Czars (Experts). This is a Progressive game plan-use "experts" to sway the peopl into believing in the new myth. It's all a way to manipulate people's way of thinking. They think they know better than we do. They think they are smarter and more "enlightened" than we are. They want control. Barack Obama is a Left Wing super Progressive that wants to control every household and every American. He is dangerous.

Finally! There is a Judge that will listen and possibly make it right.

first off // you assume he has a passport...but have you seen it........second.......a person born not of two american citizens on american soil is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.......THIRDLY WHY WOULD PRESIDENT OBAMA....TO SAY... SPEND 1 MILLION DOLLARS ON HIS DEFENSE ...OR TAKE THE FIFTH///////IF HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE////AND LIKE YOU...I TOO AM SICK OF THE PROPAGANDA.......AND DECEPTIONS

If Obama isn't a citizen, then why was notice of his birth in Hawaii published in the local newspaper when he was born? Was there some grand conspiracy nearly fifty years ago, knowing that he intended to become president of the United States?

This is a bunch of nonsense. Obama is a citizen. He is commander in chief. McCain / Palin lost and their supporters need to accept reality, hard as that appears to be for them.

I believe this is all much ado about nothing...

However, one cannot deny that Obama and his crew could end ALL the speculation by just producing the ACTUAL birth certificate.

He is more secretive about his past this early in office than ANY OTHER PREVIOUS PRESIDENT was.

Why the need to hide your past?
Be proud, and save the taxpayers some cash, Barack.

Just produce the paperwork so this goes away.
And Quickly.
This country is broken, we need you back to work fixing things, not dodging accusations you could kill by producing 1 piece of paper.

Orly Taitz is a joke and so is Alan Keyes. The facts in this case have been gone over again and again, but these idiots keep running around with their fingers in their ears.
1. President Obama has already released his certified copy of his birth certificate. This is exactly what you get when you send to the State of Hawaii for your birth certificate to get your US Passport (or for any other reason)>
2. This certified copy has been thoroughly examined and analyzed. It is the real thing. He used it to get his passport and, more importantly, his security clearance as a US Senator.
3. The State of Hawaii does not release the original so-called "long-form" birth certificate. However, the two top officials in Hawaii have gone on record and stated that the certified copy that the Obama campaign made available to the press is legit.
This is such a joke. No reputable person questions this--only fringe lunatics. But I promise you, even if this case goes all the way to a ruling that the birth certificate is authentic and President Obama is natural born citizen, these birther whackjobs will find a reason to dispute it.

Well that's the point, isn't it. Ask Alan Keyes for his and he will be happy to show you. Or are you saying that Keyes, too, will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to prevent such a disclosure? Ridiculous.

Why is Obama spending his dwindling political capital fighting to suppress the disclosure of such a trivial document? There is only one reason; and it will surface. You want a circus? Just wait til we all learn that we have a non-natural, ILLEGAL sitting president. Cable TV can only hope.

How did obama travel to Pakistan when he was in college? At that time Pakistan was on the USA no travel list and he could not have entered Pakistan legally with an American passport. Did he have another countries passport back then? If he did that means he either wasn't a USA citizen or he renounced his citizenship to obtain another countries passport.

If you understood just a little about Africans and other cultures you would know that Obama could not have been born in Africa. Africans do not accept marriages to foreigners. So Obama's father could never, never, never have taken home to Africa an American woman as his wife. That's why he left his wife and Obama in America. He went back to Africa where he probably already had a wife or had a woman who the family had arranged for him to marry as soon as he got back to Africa.

Africans are almost like Indians who will kill their own child if they marry out of the culturally accepted group.

Doesn't it draw concern that the President can't produce a little bitty birth certificate after all of these months? I'm 62 and in possession of my original birth certificate. Come on Dems...aren't you just a little suspicious?

Cook has a simple choice: Afghanistan or the brig. Too bad we no longer shoot deserters.

Mind-boggling.

The Shout Radio Disciples are aware that Hawaii is a state, right? Not a foreign country? Birth certificates are public documents.

How odd that not one SRD has yet ponied up the money to travel to Hawaii to obtain a copy for himself. Curiously odd. Is the reluctance to do so borne out of fear that Hawaii's original looks just like the copy that is publicly available?

Surely, a quick trip to Hawaii on such urgent business would not only be less expensive than litigation, but also of highest priority! Where are our saviors when we need them! Hit Expedia now, patriots!

And let us not bring up the uncomfortable fact that John McCain was born in Panama. How do you define "natural born" again? I was unclear on your definition.

The most simple explanation is usually correct. Given how much money Obama has spent fighting all of the 42-some-odd court cases demanding to see his birth certificate and/or produce hospital documents, its clear that he cannot produce the evidence for whatever reason...

 
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