Octuplets fertility doctor at center of another multi-pregnancy

  The Beverly Hills doctor who helped Nadya Suleman conceive octuplets also provided fertility treatment to a 49-year-old woman who is pregnant with quadruplets and is hospitalized at County-USC Medical Center.

Several sources told The Times that Dr.  Michael Kamrava transferred at least seven embryos made from younger donor eggs.

Fertility experts said that transferring that many embryos raises the odds of a multiple birth, which threatens the health of the mother and babies.

The California Medical Board is already investigating the octuplets case. In fertility medicine, any pregnancy greater than twins is considered a failure because of the danger it poses to the mother and the babies.

Quadruplet births are rare, with an average of 14 sets born in California each year, according to state records.

“I do think it is concerning, and dangerous, especially to the mother," said one doctor with knowledge of the case. "She is close to 50. When women get to be that age, our fear is the cardiovascular complications, such as stroke or heart attack. That’s how serious this is.”

The woman in the latest case arrived recently at Good Samaritan Hospital for treatment but was transferred last week to County-USC because she lacks insurance, the sources said. Doctors placed her on bed rest until the birth of the babies, which, they added, could be two or three months from now.

Reached by telephone, the woman, who is about five months pregnant, denied that Kamrava was her doctor. She said her doctors urged her not to talk to the media because she is already dealing with a high-risk pregnancy and doesn't need more stress.

"Please respect my privacy," she said.

(The Times has confirmed the information through several independent sources, who spoke on the condition that they not be named.)

The woman has three grown children from a previous marriage but wanted another child with her second husband, who is in his early 30s and doesn’t have any children. She works as an apartment manager; her husband is a contractor.

Kamrava could not be reached for comment and has declined previous interview requests. A woman who answered the phone at his West Coast IVF Clinic said, “If [a] mother wants to bring four kids, so what?”

Doctors at USC and Good Samaritan Hospital also declined comment about the quadruplet pregnancy, citing patient confidentiality.

The California Medical Board has said it is looking into the Suleman case to determine whether a doctor may have violated any standards of care.

The American Society of Reproductive Medicine said it is also examining the doctor's practice. Although it appears Kamrava violated professional standards, there are no laws that limit the number of embryos that can be transferred in a fertility procedure.

Suleman said in an interview with NBC that her doctor transferred six embryos. She gave birth on Jan. 26, and although the births were initially lauded as a medical miracle, public opinion quickly turned when it was discovered that Suleman had six other children, was a single mom and relying on some public assistance, including food stamps and Social Security benefits. In the only other octuplet birth in U.S. history, only seven of the babies survived past one week.

-- Alan Zarembo, Jessica Garrison and Kimi Yoshino

Photo: KTLA

Previously on L.A. Now

Octuplets mother seeking donations on website

Octuplets mother: I am not on welfare

Octuplets could be costly for taxpayers

Octuplets' mother receives public assistance [UPDATED]

Octuplets' mom says society is judging her unfairly

Comments

[Happy4LA]

This doctor is a menace. There's a reason women go through menopause in their 40s and stop having the ability to have babies. Now this doctor is responsible for another multiple birth that will be paid for by taxpayers. How do these people somehow have the money to pay this doctor but don't have the money to pay for their own health insurance? These two cases are showing the harm IVF poses to our society. Dr. Frankestein indeed.

[phoenixandrew]

Dr. Michael Kamrava is a quack who belongs in jail for medical malpractice.

[kathryn]

I don't see anything wrong with people having as many kids as they can afford. If this family is paying their own bills and has health insurance, so what?

If she's going to mooch off the tax payers, then the kids should be taken away.

Truth is, the only reason women have these litters they can't afford is that they know the tax payers will be there to bail them out. If all these programs like disability and Medi-Cal weren't there, then they'd be more careful. I wouldn't voluntarily choose to have a multi-million dollar hospital bill that I would have to pay back.

[ginger]

So yet another woman -who lacks medical insurance-is going to be subsidized by us, the taxpayers due to this quack of a doctor-this is surreal--STOP THAT DOCTOR, NOW!!

[Rob R Barron]

I suggest that instead of suspension of his medical license, Dr. Kamrava, be financially responsible for ALL these children he helped produce.

[fatboy]

This guy needs to be put out of business.

[Kevin]

This doctor is competely unethical. All he cares about is money and not the health of the mother or future babies. I would bet that he has multiple welfare mothers who lack medical insurance who come to his practice asking for quadruplet or more births. He doesn't care and just takes the $$$...

[e]

His 49 year old quadruplet has NO INSURANCE?

This guy needs to be made financially responsible for the medical expenses of this woman.

Just because he gets paid does not mean he can force taxpayers, hospitals, and other physicians to go uncompensated for care.

I hope he get sued and loses his licence.

[Interested]

I don't object to folks choosing to have children. What I object to is folks having children they can not afford, without insurance, and expecting other tax payers to foot the bill.

[Don]

So, would this be a case of mis-managed care?

[JAG136]

Let me see, we pay 300 million per year to Planned Parenthood for abortions and now we are paying for this guy....what is wrong with this country, and more importantly, the lack of values on these people......stop it!!

We have killed 40 million babies through Planned Parenthood and here in LA, we pay doctors and patients to have multiple births.........I am going to stop paying taxes.....its the only way to stop the madness.

[Angelique]

Wow. Just...wow. I don't know how you can legally deny Medi-Cal to a woman who used fertilization therapy to become pregnant, but I also don't know how you can justify making babies at taxpayer's expense. Maybe you could bill the new mom for all of the hospital bills she will accumulate? I just don't know, but there MUST be an answer.

If not, perhaps we can make fertilization therapy illegal if you do not have health insurance. I am uninsured myself and wrestle with the ethics of having one single baby at taxpayer's expense; I can't imagine having multiples and expecting everyone else to foot the bill...

[Paula Hays]

I think Dr. Kamrava should be held financially responsible for these children. He knows they will be on public assistance, but he obviously doesn't care. Maybe if it costs HIM, it might get his attention.

Disgusted in Colorado

[Nicole]

How the heck are these women getting the money to pay for fertility but don't even have medical insurance?! I guess all the Dr. cares about is getting paid. I'm sure there are other women out there who will come to this reckless man to get implanted. Unfortunately it looks as if nothing will happen until one of these poor women wind up dying. The state needs to step in and regulate before this all ends tragically.

[walter block]

Enough allready! This quack should have his license revoked period. Then let him pay for all these children he helped FATHER. Revolting how there are no laws to prevent this miscarrige of society.

[Terry Tinsley]

Infertility treatments are not inexpensive. Both of these woman are without apparent means of support. If the good doctor didn't provide pro bono services, how did they pay for a (maybe many) very expensive treatments?

My error, I forgot the good people of California that will without a doubt foot the bill for the vanity of these women. If we get a budget.

[Barbara]

As a mother who returned to grad school when her kids were school age, I can attest to how difficult it is to work, go to school and raise children. I purposefully had my tubes tied after my divorce (ex-hubby had himself clipped after 2nd child) because two is PLENTY. I know my resources (personal, professional and financial). There is no way she can give those kids the time they deserve and there is NO WAY she will be able to care for them financially. This is an outrage. That doctor does need to stop. We need laws that prevent this sort of thing.

[NinaMarieXO]

If a financially stable woman wants to have children I am all for this, but when you purposely get pregnant without health insurance, a job, or already have 6 children you can't take care of, then I have a problem with it. There is something seriously wrong with this woman and this doctor. Isn't there counselors to evaluate these candidates before they are fertilized? If not then there should be, one baby is a huge responsibility emotionally and financially, times that by 8 infants who are now in need of hundreds of thousands of dollars of premature infant medical care. Also add into that the hundreds of thousands of children in foster care who need good loving homes. ADOPTION!

[TonyJay]

Even worse, I'll bet that if Suleman had been black, that this doctor would not have worked with her on this ridiculous pregnancy....

(The doctor should pay her bills.)

[bc low]

Wow. Some of these comments are really out of whack. It is clear that the vast majority of people have never had to deal with the issues that arise with infertility. More often, women are upset when fertility treatments DON'T work (which is more common), and blame the doctor. So when treatments work beyond anyone's wildest expectations, people are angry all over again?

In the scheme of things, 4 or 8 or 14 more kids aren't going to even be a blip on the tax radar everyone is so concerned about. Since when do we get an itemized bill from the government about where exactly our money goes? It's easier to vilify the doctor, or the lady with 14 kids than to get our feathers ruffled by the Madoff's or Enron's of the world. Really, who is costing us more?

And if everyone is so hot on taking away this woman's children if she "can't afford them", where will it end? With people losing their houses, stocks crashing, who is really in a moralistic position to say whether one or two or 18 kids are or aren't affordable? When people have kids, and love them, they make it work no matter what the odds are.

[anonymous]

Has anyone ever heard of overpopulation? And it's not ALL the doctor's fault. THe mothers and fathers are also responsible

[Aliza]

The article says "In the only other octuplet birth in U.S. history, only seven of the babies survived past one week. " which is misleading. One baby died at a week, the other 7 are now ten years old.

[lucy]

what about freedom? for the doctors? mothers who want children? who are we to decide if they should be put out of business or have their children taken away? the second we start dictating other people's lives then we open the doors to have our lives dictated. i want my freedom. don't you want yours????

[No Bleeding Heart]

ANSWER: Contact your elected representatives and demand a new law that says potential IVF parents must undergo the same screening process as foster parents. If an IVF doc implants a woman who fails the screening process, make the doc responsible for all the resulting children's bills until they turn 18. Problem solved.

And Nadya Suleman is not content to bleed taxpayers dry. Now she hopes to collect 'donations' on her website. (Paypal accepted for your convenience!)

Bleeding hearts, please make your contributions directly to the people who will financially support these kids: California Social Services

CSS needs your help more than a woman who can afford 6 IVF treatments, plastic surgery, and schooling for a master's degree.

[Julie]

How can these women have enough money for invitro, but not have health insurance? Where are their priorities?

[Disgusted Dan]

Oh my god....

I think this idiot is as sick as Suleman...

What is going on in California?? This is nuts

[penguins]

As an ex-Californian, I can't believe what is going on with this doctor and these 2 women. I read about the budget problems in CA and the tax increases that may go into effect and yet the state allows this kind of crap to go on, meaning Medi-cal will probably pick up the bill for octuplets. That's a million dollars that could be used some place else. It's all just disgusting. California has got to stop all the handouts and take care of the people who are rightly paying their taxes.

[db]

how the heck did she get her insurance to pay for ivf and if she has no insurance how did she get the money for ivf maybe pimping herself out it's sad that people who want to have children cant and then there are those who have them for attention pretty sad how life works out isn't it

[S Knight]

The father is on active duty in the middle east and no decisions will be made until he arrives.

It would be wise to save one's comments until one knows the facts. Many of these stories are irrelevant, nonsense, and off-the-cuff if not off-the-wall.

[S Knight]

The doctor in the photo is a radiologist who does ultrasounds. The father is on active duty in the middle east. The mother works on graphic illustrations. She has never received disability.

Decisions must wait until the father returns from the middle east. It is he who holds the purse strings of the family. He is fully employed and has been all of his life.

The grandfather has offered to pay the medical bills and everything is going to be just fine.

The matter must wait until the father returns from the middle east.

[GQ]

Both the doctor and the mother should be prosecuted. These are criminal acts. In essence, since this mother has no visible means of income, she is defrauding the state as a single mother. Having babies is the way she is able to support herself. The doctor knows the State will pay and he feels he has no moral obligation to deny a single, unemployed mother with fertilization, even though she already has six children, two of which have medical issues and are already dependent on the State. As long as he gets paid, he's happy. It's greed like this that has put California in predicament we're in today.

[Marie]

WHY WHY are these women allowed to get costly in-vitro when they don't have dang health insurance?? This infuriates me as my healthcare has just gone up!! YET another woman who is desparate for kids and will suck the California taxpayers dry...and people ask "Why is California broke??" This doctor needs to be thrown in prison as he has helped to add to California's economic mess!! Whatever $$ this doctor received for these treatments needs to be taken from him by the state. How many more cases like this are out there?? Governator Arnie--are you reading this? Before your mandatory more "furlough days" on people, why don't you investigate some of these cases?

[Crissy]

Like most everyone else, I too, am appalled at the irresponsiblility of this women. However, look how many women have one chiild after another and rely on the state for their medical bills, food, housing, child care, etc...
No matter how you choose to concieve, key word is choose. These people are just as pathetic as she is and the system is seriously flawed.

[michael d]

Dear Lucy, With freedom comes responsibility. People who behave irresponsibly can expect to lose freedoms. This is a basic principle of our society. Freedom without responsibility is called anarchy. On another note, in one of the earliest discussions of octo mom before she was identified publicly, I predicted that we would find out that she is mentally disturbed and that the doctor who implanted the embryos is a quack. I wish I could predict the outcome of sporting events as well because if I could I'd move to Vegas and get rich.

[Trigger]

I bet not one single right to life organization will accent any financial responsibility for the children!

Showing they "care"!

Spaying and neutering is not just for pets.

[Yolanda]

How sad that she's had so many children and can't afford them. On the other hand, can this doctor possibly help other women who can't have children? And if so, he needs to be disciplined in how many embryos he implants.

[Famural]

Seems only "right and proper" that the guy that helped this woman bring all these kids into the world should be declared their legal guardian and held accountable and responsible for their upbringing and maintenance. All in favor say, "Yaba Daba Do"! That's the spirit! Now all we need is a California Judge with half a brain cell in his/her head to make this all legal and binding. What a country! What a country!

[Fran]

What?? Who are you talking about? Octomom's FATHER went back to Iraq to work as a translator/driver. Then WHY did Kaiser request financial payment from the state? WHO is on active duty in the middle east? Who's the graphic illustrator?

?????

[Fran]

And the doctor in the photo is Kamrava -- who performed the IVF procedures for both women mentioned.

Off the wall?

[Susan]

The doctor's practice should have to pay the hospital bill for this woman. The state of California should bring this woman to court since she is obviously mentally incapable of taking care of these children and the children should be taken from her and adopted by couples who work and support themselves and would be a stable parent to these children. It may cost the state some money to do this, but at least somone else will be paying for these children for the next 18 years if they are adopted out , not the state.
I believe there is a minimum square footage you must have in your home to raise a family , I believe this is something that is enforced by Child Protection Services, I doubt if a 1500 sq home actually would quality for 3 adults and 6 children , soon to be 3 adults and 14 children??????
Give me a break , this is criminal and the doctor , her parents and this woman should all be prosecuted in some manner. There are many people who want children and can support them ---- let them have the opportunity to adopt these children!!!

[Kelcy]

This doctor should be held responsible for all the medical costs associated with the octuplets. The time she was in the hospital before, the c-section spectacular and of course the entire time the kids are in the hospital. Maybe if he had to pay for all this then he would think twice before taking someone on welfare let alone without insurance.

[Laura]

I think Medi-Cal should reject both claims for payment--this woman's bill from Good Sam and County-USC, and Suleman's from Kaiser. This is an abuse of Medi-Cal and an abuse of California's long-suffering taxpayers. If Kaiser, Good Sam and County-USC want to absorb the costs themselves, or sue Dr. Kamrava for some kind of damages, I say, go right ahead. But don't bring the taxpayers into this. Or do so at your own peril (that means you, elected officials and others who have direct authority over the Medi-Cal program).

[Pam]

This doctor needs to have his license pulled and to be held financially responsible for the children he was instrumental in conceiving!!! This is the ultimate in thoughtlessness both on his part and on the part of the women who went to him. One has too many children and is solicitating for help on the Internet, and the 49 year old may or may not be able to take part in her childrens lives by the time they reach high school. That is total irresponsible and selfish parenting. How many more potentially disasterous chldhoods is he responsible for?

[Mojo Mom]

I truly believe that in cases like these, prospective parents should implant one or two embryos and be prepared to accept that a pregnancy might not occur, rather than to roll the dice with these dangerous high-order multiples.

This doctor's actions are unconscionable and out of control. I predict (and hope) that new regulations with legal enforceability will be the result.

[another comment]

Well-how much does it cost to have a baby? Or 4 or 8?

Many women with insurance from their job, quit their job after baby comes, so really the whole "no insurance-no baby" isn't a fair statement.
Granted most moms have husbands who work with family insurance.
I'm menopausal myself but I don't consider myself "infertile"--I consider myself-past that.

One place where they do refuse to implant embyros unless the mother has insurance is the surrogate industry.

Insurance is the 1st qualifier for the surrogate. And its not even a baby she plans on keeping--how fair is that to her insuance plan?

[Heather Jacoby]

First, I'd like to start out by saying that I don't agree with what this doctor did and yes, he should should have to suffer some consequences. Secondly, obviously this mother is mentally ill and needs help. No person who is mentally competent would chose to have invitro after she already had six kids that she can't afford. And lastly, before everyone continues to bash the welfare system, if you did your research you would know that Bush enacted a program called TANF, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and it limits the time a woman can be on welfare. Tax payers are not going to be paying for this woman until the kids are 18. Above all, people should be thinking about what is going to happen to all these poor children who are innocent victims in this case and are going to ultimately be the ones who suffer the consequences. Have a heart people....and do your research.

[zhyachts]

IF YOU CAN'T FEED EM - DON'T BREED EM!

[Responsibility]

OK, when I read she is 49, I said, that's fine - she has probably have the means, good for her then. Unfortunately this is not the case.

Now I know why California is bankrupt. These cases are slap on the face for waiting to have my first baby and a home until I could afford it – both of which are just “on the way”. Yet, I seem to have been paying for these irresponsible people. This is just the tip of the iceberg – how many cases we haven’t heard of because they are single pregnancies but the mom’s have planned their lives and kids support (medical care, food etc) on state assistance. Free is not free – only for the recipient.

Doctors, could you check you clients for financial responsibility as they do with adoption?

[Joe]

Show me a single mom and I will show you a parasite living on the dole waiting for a handout !

[Steve S]

This is why many European countries have strict rules about the number of embryos you can implant. This Dr. should LOSE HIS LICENSE! This is completely unacceptable. He, and the crazy, selfish octuplet mother, put all these children at tremendous risk. The mother too, though I'm a lot less concerned about her health.

[anonynous]

Thiis is what happens when the Medical Board of Californai and most other states are influenced by money and alleagiances other than truth and public safety. The real incompetent, unethical, criminal doctors go unpunished and practice without restriction or scrutiniy, while, the honest and truly good hearthed doctors become victims of money hungry, greedy, and politically connected, wealthy medical system. The licensing boards of medicine should NOT be run by other practicing medical doctors, but, by independent individuals, nominated by the Governor and approved by the Legislature. Their backgrounds scrutinized to ensure independence from any medical institutions.

[Steve S]

One commenter wrote: "ANSWER: Contact your elected representatives and demand a new law that says potential IVF parents must undergo the same screening process as foster parents."

This is NOT the solution! You do not make it more difficult for a 38-year-old couple who wants to implant one or two embryos to conceive. You DO consider adopting the laws already on the books in European countries that limits the number of embryos you can implant based on history of the woman/couple. Let's not punish every IVF patient in order to prevent abuse by the very few. I find it offensive that foster and adoptive parents need to go through hell to adopt a child, yet irresponsible, unemployed, on-the-dole women can pump out all the kids they want and we are all responsible for paying for them. Let's keep some perspective here.

[Old Coot]

Quack, quack, quick! They ran Dr. Brinkley out of Kansas years ago. It sounds like he is back.

[Laurie]

bc low, I struggled with infertility, and now I am so happy to have my son. Clearly her previous treatments worked, so there was no reason to have so many embryos transferred at one time. I could understand if she tried for years and had no kids, but after 6 why did she need to go on?

I actually think she has a mental illness, but the doctor should have known better.

[babymaker]

It would be nice for the kids to grow up with the doctor as there daddy, I don't care who, what, when, or where the babies were delivered. What I care about is the welfare of these little ones, it seems there are alot of cowards out there threatening the mother. That will not make matters any better, we are a screwed up society if we are going to stand by as level headed amrican citizens and cut down this women. Have you read the newspapers or listened to the news on T.V., jeso folks, the #!*&% in running our country have led us to near bankrupcy, purely for greeds sake, but I suppose it is ok right? let's see, maybe because they have an education, well what did they use it for? Trillions of dollars and counting with absolutely no end in site, so before you make matters worse for the mother and the babies, and continue to criticize them, ripping them apart even before they are 2 weeks old think of how foolish you are being with all the thoughtless ranting and raving. I suggest you aim your anger towards the policy makers that are driving this country to ruin.

[worldweary]

This woman has, reportedly, received $164,000 in Workmen's Compensation for a back injury, which would lead one to think the injury was pretty severe.
If her back injury was so bad how did she carry 8 babies? Photos of her 8 days prior to delivery show her standing upright with no appearance if discomfort. Maybe Workman's Comp should review her case for possible fraud. The doctor should have his license taken away permanently if the injury was indeed legitimate.

[Lysette]

UGH. A 49 year old selfish idiot without insurance wanted a baby. Now the poor excuse for an adult will have four. How dare she bring even one child in this world that she can't afford. If she doesn't have the money to birth it, how was she planning on raising it? Standing in county lines and free clinics. It makes me angry that these selfish women don't want to see the harm they will be inflicting on the children.

[Marianne]

Looks like octo-mom's PR company is paying people to make positive comments. That's the only way S Knight's remarks can be explained.

Today's story is about a 49-year old woman with no health insurence carrying four babies. It's not about crazy Nadya Suleman. Fourty-nine year old mom could well die from complications from pregnancy.

Nadya Suleman's father doesn't have the funds to foot the bill for his daughter's foolishness. If he's smart he stays in iraq. He would be a fool to lose everything he worked for to pay for his daughter's extreme narcissism.

[maxine jaffee]

I believe the fertility doctor should be held legally financially responsible for the octuplets medical bills during the first year of their life. Maxine Jaffee

[D Jacks]

Since when is it the doctor's responsibility to do a background check on every patient? Since when does a doctor ask you how much you make a year when you get something done? this is NOT the doctor's responsibility. It is Nadia's responsibility and she should be the one taking all the fault. She knew exactly what the risks were and moved forward with the procedure. If anyone is being unethical here, it's the mother herself for not being able to financially support them.

If a patient goes in to get her breast augmentation, the doctor is not going to go out and ask the boyfriend/husband and make sure he likes it before he does the operation. it's the patient's responsibility and she deals with the consequences. Same with Nadia. It is not the doctor's responsiblity to go to her house, check on her living situation and check her taxes to make sure she can afford them.

[Dazed and Confused]

S. Knight....the FATHER of the QUADS is a "contractor" according to the article. It doesn't state he's ACTIVE DUTY. There is a difference. My husband is retired from the military and is now a Government Contractor. So, if he WAS active duty they would have TRICARE insurance through the military, which will only pay for CERTAIN infertility treatments/drugs. They will NOT pay for IVF! Believe me I almost went that route after 5 years of "trying" the natural way.

So, with that said being that the Father is a government contractor they 'should' have medical insurance. My husband is also deployed to Iraq and with him being a gov't contractor he HAS to have medical insurance, which is offered through his company. This just doesn't sound right.

I'm not condoning this couple for wanting children as I was 40 when I had my 2nd daughter. Beverly De'Angelo had a set of twins and she's over 50, Marica Cross from desperate housewives had twins at 44 and so did Jane Seymour. Holly Hunter....twins at 47! It gets better...Geena Davis twins at 48! Susan Surrandon was 46, Madonna was 41, Annette Benning 41, Brooke Shields was 40...

Alot of women today are having babies later in life and are in better shape than years ago.

My problem is with Nadya Suleman and the doctor NOT this woman and her husband trying to have a family together. I don't AGREE with having to foot the bill either. Just getting my point across that women of TODAY'S society are having babies in their later years.

[laura]

Some fertility clinics accept credit cards. In fact, I know a couple who ran up over 35K in credit card debt on IVF, had a baby, then declared bankruptcy.

To all you saying that IVF doctors must screen their patients. It's pretty much illegal. Doctors can't discriminate. Until the baby's born, it's all just medical procedures.

[take his license and his money]

he needs to lose his license-yes, there are no written guidlines, but doctors do work on morals and obviously, he has none. He is in it for the fees and the publicity (able to impregnant older mothers with multiple births, etc). He does not have the scruples to see if these women have insurance which, besides effecting the taxpapers, effects the wellness of the mother and babies. He does not care how these babies are going to live after they are born, he does not care about their wellbeing beyond their birth and basic survival. he is just trying to get his clinic's statics up and to get more women in and to probably raise his feels.

[Shannon]

I think we should have a class action lawsuit [California tax payers] to sue the doctor for all the medical and welfare expenses of all these moocher clients of his.

[Joyce Becker]

The doctor should be responsible for the hospital bills, he knew these women didn't have the means to pay for his expensive treatments and their hospital stays, he was just interested to see if his methods worked, not at all about the consequences, as they are out of his hands and he can go on with more of his unethical experiments.

[georgi braith]

It is my strong belief that these infants should be taken away from the mother. Theses babies were not born out of love. Both the mother and Dr. should never had have gone through this procceedure. The Dr. was just being greedy and the mother wanted her fame.
The Dr.knows that mulitiple births are high risk births. Not only are premines high risk at birth but thoughout their whole life; they may need special care, some are born with lifetime handicaps.
I know what I am talking about. My son was am primie. The first month of his life he spent in the hospital; what a hospital bill! Who's going to pay for these children. After my son came home I had to feed him every two hours plus take care of a two year old. Who's going to take care of these children.
I also have a lot of knowledge because I work in a hospital.

Are these children the ones we hear of being found drowned in a bath tub. the mother doesn't sound stable.
These children should be taken from their mother and put up for adoption. That would be the best for the kids. God be with them.

[Shane]

Like Lucy, I also want freedom. I definitely pause at wanting the government to be able to tell Suleman or anyone else that they cannot have children. And that is not really what I want. What I want is for Suleman to take care of herself and her children and not depend on me. What I want is for her to have thought this through and developed a plan for how she would support her children. It is irresponsible to purposefully have 14 children with no plan to support them. It appears her plan was to mooch off of us. I want her to have the freedom to have as many babies as she wants. I also want the freedom to not give her any of my money. I can't imagine how more government involvement can help. They have already helped create the problem by providing this type of assistance. Some others have indicated that it isn't really THAT much money, but it is really more about the principle isn't it? We are the victims of Suleman - I feel as robbed as I would if someone walked up and stole my wallet - and someone does need to be an advocate for us.

[Watcher]

There are too many people on this earth. Ruining it at a faster rate than borer beetle eats a wooden house. How stupid do you have to be to have even ONE child under these environmentally stressed conditions? Now - add her existing 3 to the 7 in her tummy = 10 kids. Multiply her thinking by 10x. The result: This woman is 10 times stupider than the average non-breeder and 10 times less considerate than the average non-breeder is - of this beautiful world we are exploiting at an enormous rate of knots... Humans are the worst, most destructive plague the earth has ever encountered - and they KEEP BREEDING. Duh! And they call themselves intelligent. It is too funny to even laugh.