Shots fired at Toys R Us in Palm Desert; 2 dead
Shots rang out today inside a Toys R Us store in Palm Desert, killing two and causing shoppers at the busy store to scramble for cover.
Palm Desert Councilman Bob Spiegel told The Times that based on early reports, two rival groups shopping at the store had some kind of argument and then shots were fired. Two men were killed in the exchange of gunfire, he said.
Sara Frahm, 25, of La Quinta was shopping for electronic toys at the time of the shooting. She told The Times she heard two women fighting and swearing in an aisle next to her. She said employees went to break up the fight and that all of the sudden a number of people yelled, "He has a gun!" She said she heard six or seven shots.
Mike Stitt of Yucca Valley was shopping with his wife and two children when he saw two women fighting and calling each other names. Both were with men. One of the men pulled out a gun and shot it in the air, then shot the other man in the back, Stitt told The Times.
In a statement, Toys R Us stressed that the shooting appeared to stem from a "personal dispute."
"We are outraged by the act of violence that occurred this afternoon in Palm Desert, CA, and by the fact that anyone would compromise the safety and security of our customers and employees," the statement said. "Our understanding is that this act seems to have been the result of a personal dispute between the individuals involved. Therefore, it would be inaccurate to associate the events of today with Black Friday."
Riverside County sheriff and fire officials responded to a report of the shooting at 11:32 a.m. at the toy store in the Desert Crossing Shopping Center at 72314 Highway 111, said Cheri Patterson, information officer for the Riverside County Fire Department and Cal Fire, based in Perris.
Dennis Gutierrez of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department confirmed the fatalities but said detectives were still trying to figure out what happened. He said no arrests have been made and no weapons have been recovered.
"This was an incident between these two individuals," he said.
Details about the shooting were still spotty, but witnesses said the scene at the store and nearby businesses was chaotic.
"We had a bunch of people who came in around noon," Jeff Valare, manager at the World Gym across the street from the Toys R Us, told The Times. "They looked distressed. One woman had an infant in her arms and was crying. They were telling us they heard five or six gunshots. They were inside the Toys R Us and fled out the back."
Glenn Splain, another worker at the gym, told the Associated Press that some Toys R Us customers "were crying, tearing and shaking. ... Some people got into a fight. ... One of the guys here thought it was over a toy, but it got louder and louder and then there were gunshots."
Saul Diaz, who works as an assistant manager at the Jiffy Lube next door to the Toys R Us, said he was speaking with a customer when a stampede of 45 people ran in. Some looked distraught, some were crying.
"They were running fast, straight into the car bays. There was a couple of ladies with little kids, about 3 years [old]. They were all pale. The kids were shouting, 'Mom, I'm scared.' We immediately closed the store," Diaz told The Times. His staff locked the front doors and closed the car bays. "We took everyone into a basement bay, where we keep inventory," he said.
The Desert Sun quoted a Palm Desert city official as saying the shooting might have been caused by bad blood between two groups of shoppers. "There were two groups inside that had issue with each other," said Assistant City Manager Sheila Gilligan. "And the two men inside pulled their weapons and shot each other."
Daniel Watson told KPSP-TV that his wife was shopping at the store and called him on her cellphone about the time the shooting began. "She was scared, you know, and she told me to tell the kids that she loved them," Watson said. He told the station that his wife hid under a clothes rack.
-- Michelle Maltais, Richard Winton, Molly Hennessy-Fiske and Andrew Blankstein
VIDEO: Video of the shooting scene from KESQ-TV.
PHOTOS: Photo gallery of the shooting scene from The Desert Sun.








Kinda breathes new life into the war on Christmas.
Posted by: russell | November 28, 2008 at 01:02 PM
Sad, very sad to see something like this happen. What's going on in the world right now? Many things seem so crazy.
Posted by: Jeremiah Haynes | November 28, 2008 at 01:11 PM
I like how the Toys R Us shoppers scrambled into another business: 1. Go to my car and drive home or as far away as possible to safety 2. Check out another business, let things cool down and continue bargain hunting.
Posted by: B Shears | November 28, 2008 at 01:16 PM
Good reason more people should have concealed gun permits AND carry
Posted by: Drewbob | November 28, 2008 at 01:23 PM
"bad blood between two groups of shoppers" ..... can we assume that is politically correct speech for saying two rival gangs were in the store and they decided to settle issues?
Posted by: syscom3 | November 28, 2008 at 01:24 PM
Was there a store sign that read "No shooting" ?
Posted by: Dumbo | November 28, 2008 at 01:24 PM
no wonder the world despises us.
Posted by: tom | November 28, 2008 at 01:24 PM
awesome!...this country is fast becoming a third world cesspool,,and nothing can stop it. ...shoot out at the Toys R Us,,,,I bet the two partys involved were 'Gangstas".....how proud their children must be.
Posted by: nigel | November 28, 2008 at 01:24 PM
Russell, that is one of the funniest comments ever!
Posted by: GEAH | November 28, 2008 at 01:25 PM
that sure cannot be good for business. also if enough of these retailers get sued, they are going to learn to get control of their black friday crowds.
Posted by: Lucifer | November 28, 2008 at 01:26 PM
What has our country come too? First the trampling death at Wal-Mart and now this? Our society values cheap chinese-made junk over human lives.
Posted by: Jackington | November 28, 2008 at 01:27 PM
If only Barrack Obama was there, he could bring the dead back to life and make sure everyone gets a free toy at the store's expense.
Posted by: Richard Stanke | November 28, 2008 at 01:31 PM
One can only hope that the two killed were the two shooters. Let's here it for a "zero sum" gang scorecard.
Posted by: jake | November 28, 2008 at 01:34 PM
At least they shot each other. Just think of it as evolution in action and be glad no one else was hurt.
Posted by: Alan | November 28, 2008 at 01:36 PM
And to think, if they had just waited, the toy would have probably been marked down 50%.
Posted by: Fran | November 28, 2008 at 01:38 PM
@ Richard Stanke - LOL!!!
Obama would lick the gun shot wounds, and in turn heal them and their broken hearts over the toy battle. Then unicorns would swoop in, and give all the shoppers free rides. And thats a big deal, because unicorns never let ANYONE have free rides.
Posted by: Chad | November 28, 2008 at 01:43 PM
Richard. Enough already! The election's over and these kind of comments ad nothing to the conversation. Get on with your life.
It is indeed sad that these kind of violent confrontations happen at Christmas or any other time. But I've been around long enough to have seen it all before - over and over again. And no, Nigel, they aren't always "gangstas". Sometimes it's just that nice guy down the street who's packing a gun out of fear.
Posted by: Luther | November 28, 2008 at 01:47 PM
All the more reason that Toys R Us employees should be armed. That way, the employees could have killed the two troublemakers before they were allowed to shoot each other. Seriously, the guy playing Geoffrey the Giraffe could conceal a semi under that costume.
Posted by: Billy Rob Johnson | November 28, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Charleston, SC more than 70 store owners super guled out of their stores. Details at Cedar Posts
Posted by: Cedar Posts | November 28, 2008 at 01:48 PM
This story can't be correct...you arent allowed to carry a gun in California!
Posted by: Karl in Burbank | November 28, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Were they fighting over the last Wii?
Posted by: Valerie | November 28, 2008 at 01:50 PM
Stanke...
How's that pronounced...? You must've really been teased a lot... We're sorry...
If the article was about mating marmot, I guess that would also garner the same response from you...
Wow...
Posted by: c earl jr | November 28, 2008 at 01:52 PM
Christmas controversy has nothing to do with this article, or any events detailed within. In fact, "war" on Christmas has nothing to do with gun battles in toy stores at all. Thank God for freedom to bear arms and, freedom of speech!
Posted by: knowsbetter | November 28, 2008 at 01:56 PM
how depressing.. holidays are supposed to be a joyful time, yet store employees are trampled, customers shooting at each other, xmas driving is the worst ever, and the economy collapsed due to unchecked greed.
maybe in these tough times the citizens of this country will see the light and curb government spending, illegal benefits.. and focus on our own needy, our own countries problems.
Posted by: shana | November 28, 2008 at 01:56 PM
Drewbob wrote:
Good reason more people should have concealed gun permits AND carry
This story is the exact reason we DON'T need more people carrying concealed weapons. We'd probably hear about this kind of thing happening way more often. "I don't get my toy, so I'm going to shoot you,". How ridiculous. Grow up people.
Posted by: Kent Lacoste | November 28, 2008 at 02:01 PM