Proposition 8 exit poll: Whites oppose, blacks support, Latinos divided

Californians went to the polls today on the divisive and deeply emotional issue of same-sex marriage, with early exit poll data showing the state's voters closely divided along lines of religion and political affiliation.

With the polls still open, it is too early to project the outcome, which would amend the California Constitution to ban gay marriage. But preliminary data showed that Democrats and independents were tending to vote against Proposition 8, while Republicans were in favor of the measure.

The proposition was trailing among white voters, but was ahead among black voters. Latino voters were closely divided.

People who said they attended religious services weekly were overwhelmingly voting for the measure, while those who said that they occasionally or never went to religious services were voting no.

Voters older than 65 voted mostly for the proposition, while those in the 18-29 range voted against it.

Read more on the article here.

--Jessica Garrison and Cara Mia DiMassa

Comments

[Dave Albulario]

California, FREEDOM says NO on Prop 8! Here's why...

Some churches already perform gay marriages. Prop 8 would stop that, effectively making the decision that each church must make on its own. PROP 8 OPPOSES RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, and THAT is UNDENIABLY WRONG. The law is currently in favor of gay marriage in the state of California. That law affects, in a positive way, the lives of gay Californians. It simply DOESN'T affect straight Californians. There is no reason for straight people to oppose gay marriage, because it doesn't affect their lives.

Gay marriage is good. It edifies the lives of a group of people who have been mocked and oppressed and persecuted and harassed and assaulted and maimed and killed; especially in much of middle America. The California Supreme Court understands how important it is to lift these people up, and confirm and celebrate their quest for "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Gay Californians (and eventually ALL gay Americans) MUST be given the RIGHT to marriage.

Whatever your religious persuasion, in the eyes of the State of California, Marriage IS a RIGHT! Straight people have always had the right to choose to marry. It IS their right! Gay people MUST now be granted THE SAME right. To do otherwise is a slap in the face to gay and lesbian people.

Prop 8 effectively tells our friends who happen to be gay, that we don't believe they are worthy of marriage. Prop 8 tells our family members who happen to be gay, that they are inferior to straight people, and that if they got rid of their "gayness" they would be better off. Prop 8 tells our gay brothers & sisters, that they can have their "Civil Unions" and "Domestic Partnerships", but I'm sorry, you can't be part of the popular kids in the "Marriage Club." That's only for those of us who are good enough, and since you're gay, you're just not good enough. In our State of California, you can have ALL the rights you want, EXCEPT marriage. Marriage is just for the popular kids, and since you've spent your life being called "fag" or "dike", you're just not good enough to be in our click.

ENOUGH ALREADY with the elitist BULL****! Let people freaking live their lives! I'm sorry straight folks, but this is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! Be ACTUALLY supportive of the gay people in your life. Enough with the "I love my gay friends" CRAP! If you pass Prop 8, you are telling your gay friends and family that their struggles are not important! You are calling them INFERIOR to straight people. You are saying that their LOVE isn't nearly as good as yours! Enough already! VOTE NO ON PROP 8!

PROP 8 = PROP HATE!

[Peter]

If Prop 8 passes it will be a strong shot at Satan. If it's defeated, it's business as usual...

[Stephen A Rider]

Next year I want to vote on Christian's civil rights

[Mick]

Discriminate against gays by voting yes!

OR

Discriminate against religion by voting no!

Theres no right answer...

[maria]

i am a hispanic female. in her 40 s and i voteted no on 8 i belive that no one should tell anyone who they can marry .

[chippy!!!]

NO!!!! ON PROPOSITION 8!!! ALL PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRIAGE...I'M 100% STRAIGHT BUT I BELIEVE EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY NO MATTER WHAT YOU LIKE!!! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF IN THE FUTURE THE GAYS LESBIANS AND BI'S DONT WNAT STRAIGHT PEOPLE TO MARRY!!!

[rick]

you should have the right to marry anyone including your sister, brother, mother, father, animals. As long as you love them, whose business is it anyway?

[regine]

marriage shouldn't be a privilege, but a right. Everyone should be able to marry whom he or she wants. No one will be teaching gay marriage in schools. The thought in itself is idiotic, and those who believe it are bigger idiots for they are ignorant and believe everything they hear. No on 8 is the right thing to do if we want to be living in a more tolerant society. Women had to fight for their right to vote, African-Americans had to fight against discrimination and gay people should and are fighting to be treated like everyone else.

[Jon R]

Yes on Prop 8? Go grab your bedsheet and pointy hat. Me personally, if I looked up and saw the Klan supporting my values, I'd start rethinking my priorities. The concept of Separate But Equal is a lie and a disgrace. Shame to those who would withold civil rights from their fellow American citizens.

[goombah]

I like how the Mervyn's Going Out of Business man is also hanging out with them.

[Tammy]

Mick... yes there is because of a clause called separation of church and state. Marriage per the government is a CONTRACT... nothing more. To deny a legally consenting adult the ability to enter into a legally valid contract based on sexual orientation is discrimination. If a religious organization doesn't want to recognize a legally binding contract per the state... well, that's their prerogative. But allowing religion to dictate what contracts the state can enforce? That is unacceptable. Voting NO is the ONLY choice.

[Irene]

Yes on 8 ! I don't hate gay people but I believe we have to draw the line here!. Freedom is good but it has to come with responsiblity.! How about if one day a son wan to marry his mom? or a dad that want to marry with his daughter? Could you say that they are free to do that? Is that the right thing to do? Just think about it clearly in your heart.

[johnandadam]

I LOVE MY HUSBAND. PLEASE< PLEASE DON'T INVALIDATE OUR LOVING COMMITED RELATIONSHIP
JUST ASK YOURSELF. HOW DOES MY MARRIAGE AND MY FAMILY AFFECT YOU ??? WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO BE SO SELFESH - WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO JUDGE ME - WHY CAN'T I STAY MARRIED TO THE MAN THAT I LOVE AS LONG AS I HURT NO ONE.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ASK YOURSELF AGAIN HOW HAS MY RELATIONSHIP AFFECTED YOU - THE ANSWER IF YOUR HONEST IS-- IT HASN'T --------

[Maria Isabel]

i'm 14 years old and im a yes on prop 8. I believe that marraige was inteneded for man and wife only. Also, children deserve to have a mother and father figure in their family. I fully respect and accept gay people, but marraige has always been meant for man and wife.

[Heather]

I think its a Joke. I am straight yes. But I am a Christian too. God states that we shouldnt allow this. Its coming to the end of days.
Gamor? remember. Plus its agains the costutution and we are falling away from the very rights that we left England for.
If you believe in the right for Religon then you would vote yes. Because we all have the right to our Religon and your not going to teach my children something that I believe with my whole heart is against God

[Jon R]

No one is discriminating against religion. No one will force a church to perform a marriage ceremony for a gay couple. Religion and state are separated by law, which is something that a lot of people in this country want to change.

[B Lee]

I have nothing against gays and lesbian but why do they have to change the whole soiety and teach our children that it is normal. It is not normal, it is definitely not mother nature. If same sex marriage is legal, then it is okay for brothers and sisters to get marry? Why do gays and lesbian what to get marry anways? They can't have kids naturally. If they just want to live together and spent the rest of their lives together, that is fine, it is totally their business that no one else should denies their rights, but why make it legal which will totally change the way our society functions. I definitely do not want to let my kids think it is normal, although I think it is okay, BUT definitely NOT NORMAL.

[Jo]

I just want to say, as a bi-sexual woman, I voted Yes on Prop 8. I wasn't living in California in 2000 when the law first hit the books, but (putting both religious pressures and my own feelings aside) I don't believe it is right for 4 people to reverse a decision that the voters made. The citizens of California made a decision 8 years ago, and just now they decided to fight against it? I support a free democracy and that means the voice of the people must be heard!

[Dylan Thomas]

I am a 22 year old male person. Yes on 8 for sure! Marriage is a tradition that does not include same sex couples. I am not a conservative, not republican, I just know for a fact that it is wrong to use a timeless tradition like this. What is the world coming too??? are you kidding me?

[Jackie H.]

I believe that no one has the right to decide another persons rights. We can't go back in time....once, interracial marriages weren't allowed, that cannot happen again. Every person has the right to marry whom they want to. Anyone in the United States of America has the same rights no matter of race, religion, age, sexual orientation...I don't have the right to tell you that you can't marry the person that you're in love with and want to marry, and you don't have the right to tell me that I can't marry the person that I'm in love with! You are no better than me....I am no better than you or the person next to you and so on and so forth. Equal Rights are just that E.Q.U.A.L. Live it....believe it!!! Thank you.....and God Bless America! Way to go President Barack Obama!

[Me]

YES on 8! No to judicial tyranny and sexual perversion!

[sam]

Sweet went can i marry two women

[liquidace]

i voted no.

1. when i first heard about it from my friends, i thought.."hey.. this sounds just like the discrimination between black vs white back in the days that i learned from history class" so for me.. i learned discriminating is bad and was wrong.

2. who said marriage has to be a man and a woman? doesn't anyone get the true meaning of marriage.. im sure you heard it before you do the "i do" parts. 2 lovers do whatever it takes for each other, through life and death, till death do us part.. you know that mushy stuff.

3. It's another way of saying "hey, eve ate the apple the snake gave her which she wasn't allowed to, but she did it anyway" if she didn't eat the apple, none of us would have existed.. at ALL. God created man and woman. Man and woman created us all to explore the world, learn the world and create new things. Unless God votes YES on Prop 8, I really don't see why not let these gay/lesbians have their happiness. Isn't the world suppose to be one big happy round ball? :)

[Nili]

To wed same sex couple is very unnatural. Since the beginning of time, a family (mother +father = children) is the very core of society. How can a man and man or woman and a woman continue to preserve human race. Isn't that pathetic to allow minority to breach the law of nature! It's time that we draw a line on the sand that marriage is reserved for man and a woman. The foremost reason for people to get married is to reproduce their own kind. I don't care how much efforts the gay people are trying to justify their claims to their so-called fundamental rights. As long as their claims is in line with nature than I have no problem with them.

[Gerri]

I attend church every Sunday and passionately voted against 8 because my faith believes in equality and love. Separate is never equal, bearing false witness is not doing justice to anyone's faith.

[Hello]

I'm 15 years old and I would definitely have voted yes on Prop 8 if I could.
This country is so obsessed with false freedom that it's willing to let unreasonable things run around as acceptable. I believe that America should focus on what's REALLY important, instead of "excercising our freedom lol!" by allowing gay marriage. Get sober and realize what's right and wrong.

[Ratchet83]

The only thing that I would say against it would be that some people would say that it should be ok to marry your brother or sister. Other than that you should be able to marry who you want to be with forever. Oh yeah another argument that I always brought up is that I know a lot of strait people that got married a lot more than twice and they are devoiced now, and I know a lot of others that are together for 15 - 40 years + but they are not allowed to be married.
One last thing is that if everyone wants to say who could be married than it should be that no one could be married until they have been together for 10+ years to begin with. Especially for the actors that just want to be married to get a name then gets divorced in minutes later.
Oh yeah I am a white 25 year old male that is married and have a son so those weblogs are crap.

[Shawna]

I am so very touched by the straight and religious friends of mine that know me personally and have voted NO ON PROP 8. I am a little disturbed that I live in one of the most progressive states in the world's greatest nation and my rights to declare under the LAW (not YOUR FAITH) that I am spending my life with someone are even being debated. My girlfriend is British. Even if I retain the right to marry her here, she cannot come live with me. However, I could take a plane tomorrow and have full LEGAL rights under her nation’s laws. I don't want to "invade your church". I don't want to speak to your children about it. I just want to spend my life LEGALLY committed to the one I love. There are 210 rights associated with the word "marriage" in our laws. What's easier? Re-write all of US law since we began over 200 years ago? Or, allow the LEGAL term "marriage" and let your ministers and pastors control the RELIGIOUS definition in your churches, mosques and synagogues? Please be logical about this! Thank you.

[murf]

rick, maria, Chippy....your arguments are moot. next time study the real issues before you vote. i have homosexual family members and friends with long standing partnerships. i love them very much but i know that the real issues are much bigger than marriage.

[Errin N Davenport]

Comparing Same sex marriage to bestiality is offensive and degrading. It is an overall bad argument, the same was said about interracial marriage not too long ago in this country. The separate but equal idea is simply untrue, a Minister cannot sign a Domestic Partnership license, it does not grant the same rights even though it is supposed to.

[Dave]

Get prepared people, Judgment is Coming and there is nothing you can do about it.

[liquidace]

tammy... in case you hadn't noticed in sexual porn sites or people confessing they married their brother or father or mother or sister.. those things had already happened. Those people probably won't lay it out that their spouse is actually their incest relative, but it does and will happen. You just won't know it.

[Veronica]

johnandadam,

You are absolutely right.
I am straight. I have been so involved in this proposition because we need to vote against bigotry and vote FOR equality. My sons who are voting age this election have also voted against 8. I have raised them well. =)
Three votes in this house for NO on 8!
Bigotry and discrimination have no place in the constitution, nor does religion!
Marriage for ALL!

[teacherlady]

I'm a 31 year old "white" female teacher who oddly happens to be a registered republican, however I voted today because of my strong feelings on prop 8! We all knew who would win the presidency, so my vote felt "worthless" (I think that's why a lot of orange county republican residents were M.I.A. at the polls according to the news.). I voted NOOOOOOOO! on prop 8. Not because I'm liberal or republican; certainly not because I'm gay as a married mother with two young children... but because I pride myself in being open-minded and accepting of change. I think anyone should be able to marry anyone regardless of race, religion, and even regardless of gender. Marraige should be based on love - that's all that really matters when all is said or done. Think about what it would have been like if interracial marraiges weren't allowed! Our new president, for one, would never have been born! Whether you like it or not, gay people ARE living as married couples and adopting & raising children so why should they not be issued the same rights as "regular" married couples? And have you ever asked yourself why you think it's wrong for gays to marry? EVERY person I have encountered who was for prop 8 had this to say, "Marriage is between a man and a woman." When asked things like why? or who told you that was God's intention? EACH of them was only able to state the fact that "it's just always been that way!" These people are living sheltered and closed-minded lives. They are simply in favor of keeping the status quo. As a teacher we tell students that it's important to learn history so as to not repeat past mistakes. Yet they seek to repeat history. Hmm.........!!!!!!!!!

[kelli]

next year let's vote on a BAN ON ALL MARRAIGE

[johnandadam]

I LOVE MY HUSBAND. PLEASE< PLEASE DON'T INVALIDATE OUR LOVING COMMITED RELATIONSHIP
JUST ASK YOURSELF. HOW DOES MY MARRIAGE AND MY FAMILY AFFECT YOU ??? WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO BE SO SELFESH - WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO JUDGE ME - WHY CAN'T I STAY MARRIED TO THE MAN THAT I LOVE AS LONG AS I HURT NO ONE.
LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND ASK YOURSELF AGAIN HOW HAS MY RELATIONSHIP AFFECTED YOU - THE ANSWER IF YOUR HONEST IS-- IT HASN'T --------

[Sucio Flores]

I voted yes on Prop 8. God described marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN!

[wunkus]

Sure, go ahead and vote on straight marriage or Christian's civil rights. I have no worries about it whatsoever haha.

[Steve]

I voted YES on Prop 8. Marriage should be only between a Man and a Woman. Gay Marriage should NEVER be allowed, under any circumstances!

[alicia]

Last I checked America was supposed to be a country that separates church and state. Last time I checked America was supposed to stand for equality. Not everyone is christian, i am surely not. Proposition 8 is the most ignorant piece of trash I have ever seen.

There is a right answer, its no. Who are you to shove your religion upon anyone. Marriage is a legal matter anyways. 75%of America is divorced and Las vagas is still in full swing, so that idea about the sanctity of marriage is worthless.

Marriage should be between two consenting Adults.
I doubt an animal can consent and a child cannot give consent either.
You would be surprised how many states have laws allowing cousins to marry.
You don't need to be marriage by a religious figure.

What is the real reason Same sex couples can't marry?
What negative effect will it have on your life?
What negative affect would anyone's marriage have on your life?

I hope the tyranny of the majority is cut down before they do any damage to this nations equality.

[Me too]

i have nothing against gay ppl, in fact i'm friends with some. but it actually is gonna be taught in schools & churches are gonna be forced to perform gay weddings. its redefining the whole constitution. look at europe. they've legalized gay marriage & thats led to polygamy and now even siblings can marry. they're already messed up and i dont want america to end up that way.

[One4truth]

I'm with Stephen Rider who posted:

"Next year I want to vote on Christian's civil rights"

Posted by: Stephen A Rider | November 04, 2008 at 07:53 PM

I believe it's time for Christians to speak up.

[gayboy32]

Why should anyone care who marries whom? Marry your dog for Christ sake. And as for the children learning about gay marriage, great! Gays aren't going away, what is the alternative children should learn, hate perhaps. That SOME people should never deserve the same privileges other enjoy? Hmm that's nice isn't it. Such educated children we'll have.

[Joe]

I voted yes on 8. Gay Marriage is wrong; being Gay is wrong!

[Steve]

What about bigamy? In California bigamy is punishable under section 281-284 by a fine of $10,000 and imprisonment up to 1 year. Bigamists have rights too. It is practiced legally all over the country. But in the totalitarian state of CA, I get thrown in jail.

And what about Zoophilia? If I have a relationship with my dog I get slapped with California's penal code section 286.5; let alone try to marry.

Californians are intolerant people. I should be able to marry whomever or whatever I please at any quantity I desire because the definition of marriage should be whatever I want it to be along with the definition of the word "is"

[One4truth]

I'm with Stephen Rider who posted:

"Next year I want to vote on Christian's civil rights"

Posted by: Stephen A Rider | November 04, 2008 at 07:53 PM

I believe it's time for Christians to speak up.

[olga]

NO ON 8. it doesnt matter what anyone feels about marriage, discrimination is discrimination. last time i checked, the country is run by the constitution, not the bible. how does gay people marrying hurt anyone? america has discriminated against african-americans, irish, chinese, japanese, etc. haven't we moved past that time, and restored our name as the land of the free?

[ian piel]

If it does not pass, would a married couple, say two 40 somthing gay guys, be allowed to adopt say a 13 year old boy ?

[Sarah Aoki]

Thanks johnandon for telling me what my honest answer would be...haha. Fact of the matter is my opinion does matter, its just not right to destroy tradition. Yes on 8! Next it will be prop 234...changes the constitution to allow people to lie under oath...it's just not right!

[Brittany Bee]

Honestly, it's no discriminating on religion if you vote no it's making it equal for everyone to choose what they want to be. It is only fair. Anyone should have the right to marry who ever especially if you do not believe in a religion that tells you a man should be with a woman. Not everyone in California is Christian. And no one is discriminating any religion their making this more of a free country by voting no...

[Micah]

"i am a hispanic female. in her 40 s and i voteted no on 8 i belive that no one should tell anyone who they can marry ." quoting someone

Your not telling who you can marry your saying what marriage is. Thats the problem, marriage isn't between a man and a man or a woman and a woman.
If you want to be blind sighted and say that its marriage go ahead, but you should not allow a law that requires others to call something that it isn't.

[Dan]

When 8 passes, gays will still have the same marriage rights as anyone else.

Men can marry women, and vice versa.

[david]

I voted yes on prop 8 and so did my sis, and friends.
equality- as they call it , in this issue- is damaging.
i don't want my children to even 'understand' what this is. i hope it passes. i will continue to fight this, how does one say......'non-sense'.
people remember- sodom and Gomorra are the only 2 cities in history that God destroyed with his own hands and without a representative of Israel. God doesn't like it, and cause he bought my life- i follow my master

[Laura]

It does'nt matter....let gay married couples be miserable too.

[johnandadam]

WHat Does it have to do with insest. It is not. Have you ever met a gay person. he or she is not a social deviant.- I WILL FIGHT BACK - GAY SOCIETY WILL FIGHT BACK > IF THIS LAW PASSES I WILL NEVER AGAIN PARTICIPATE IN ANOTHER WEDDING AS LONG AS IT IS ON THE BOOKS. I AM SORRY TO MY SISTER - MY BROTHERS, MY FRIENDS/ BUT IF I AM EXCLUDED I WILL EXLUDE MYSELF FROM YOUR BS MARRIAGES - GAY PEOPLE AND STRAIGHT ALIKE PLEASE JOIN ME
IT WILL HURT BUT IT WILL SEND A MESSAGE. WE ARE EQUAL

[Kazu]

Although I am only 15, I do feel strongly that same-sex marriage should not be prohibited in any state or country. For those of you making the outrageous claims like, "Oh now they'll want to marry animals or their family," seriously; do you people even listen to yourselves or do the words just fall from your mouths?

For one, sure they can't have children naturally, but they can adopt children which is a very productive alternative - it provides those children with affection from two people, and it does not contribute to population growth.

Also, those of you claiming religious views for it, I can't truly argue with you, seeing as I disagree with all organized religions. I can say that if you're going to use The Bible (for Christians), you should preach about everything else the bible says - not just one thing.

Finally, who are you, the religious nutcases, to deny your fellow American citizens the rights that this country was founded upon (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness)?

NO ON PROP 8.

[Aubrey]

People fail to understand that Proposition 8 is less about marriage than it is about basic fundamental rights. By changing the constitution to institutionalize discrimination, Californians would be taking a step backwards. People who say that marriage is a "timeless tradition" are not able to see beyond the lines of their personal religious beliefs - when does your personal belief become adequate to deny another individual of their basic rights? As long as marriage is a federally recognized institution, laws that discriminate on the basis of sexuality should never be passed. In the 1950's, many people believed that interracial marriages were "wrong", and there was even legislation to prevent these couples from entering into marriage; I view discrimination against same-sex couples as a nearly identical issue. And as far as the "slippery slope" arguments stating that people will want to marry their dogs or their children: stop being ridiculous. A legally recognized marriage between two consenting adults, of whatever gender, in no way mirrors either of the aforementioned situations.

People should take the time to educate themselves about the implications of their decisions before making choices based on such ignorance, bigotry, and blatant discrimination.

[atm]

I find the prospect of prop 8 passing to be extremely depressing. The best excuse the prop 8 supporters could come up with on TV was that "if prop 8 is passed, gay marriage will be taught in schools". So effing what? I think it's possible that for some being gay is a choice (i myself have had some bisexual feelings, though i lean more towards hetero), but from every gay person I've met and all I've ever learned about gays, for most it is simply who they are. Do these idiots really believe that they're going to "turn more people gay" just because they heard about it in school? Absolutely ridiculous! And then there's the fact that nobody really learns about marriage in school to begin with; do YOU remember ever learning about marriage in school? Why would they start now?

And gays being married DOESN'T AFFECT STRAIGHT MARRIAGES AT ALL. It only "cheapens" traditional marriage in your darn head; denying these people the tangible benefits of marriage under the law just so you can reap the imaginary benefits of preserving your "tradition", even among people who don't believe in or follow your way of life, is petty and dictatorial. The puritans may have left england so that they could persecute unbelievers without getting persecuted themselves, but American has evolved waaaay beyond such theocratic ways. If you want to live in a theocracy, go live in Iran. This is American and if you try to force your way of life on people who just want equal rights then a lot of pissed of lovers of justice and the REAL red white and blue will have something to say about it!

[Luana Plonski]

The constitution of marriage began as a union ordained by God. It is a promise of faithfulness, love, and commitment between two people before God. It is the highest commitment that one can make because it is not only a promise to each other but a promise to God that you are going to do as you have promised for your mate. The whole idea of marriage was invented by God. It is a very spiritual and if you want to call it "religious" event, that's fine. It has nothing to do with politics, but unfortunately it has become a legal issue. But it is what it is and God ordained it. All we have to go by for direction, is God's word. And the definition of marriage in the bible is a union between a man and woman and a promise. It also says in the bible that having sex with the same sex is perversion and God does not give perversion a blessing, therefore He does not consider a union of same sex couples, a marriage. Some people like to have bible buffet and pick what they like, but the real issue here is, what does God think about gay marriage. If you seek your answer in the bible, you will find that He doesn't bless same sex unions. Some people have twisted the truth to believe what they want to believe, but that just isn't always the truth now is it? If they want to be united, they are just going to have to call it something else.

[LIZ]

Currently gay people can get together as much as they want and enjoy all same legal treatment. But their union should not ever be called a MARRIAGE. BECAUSE A MARRIAGE WAS ESTABLISHED SINCE THE BEGINING OF TIME BY GOD REMEMBER? ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE. And no gay should raise children at all. They should have puppies instead. They wont be afected.

[Kazu]

Although I am only 15, I do feel strongly that same-sex marriage should not be prohibited in any state or country. For those of you making the outrageous claims like, "Oh now they'll want to marry animals or their family," seriously; do you people even listen to yourselves or do the words just fall from your mouths?

For one, sure they can't have children naturally, but they can adopt children which is a very productive alternative - it provides those children with affection from two people, and it does not contribute to population growth.

Also, those of you claiming religious views for it, I can't truly argue with you, seeing as I disagree with all organized religions. I can say that if you're going to use The Bible (for Christians), you should preach about everything else the bible says - not just one thing.

Finally, who are you, the religious nutcases, to deny your fellow American citizens the rights that this country was founded upon (Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness)?

NO ON PROP 8.

[kristin]

Those who are voting no on Prop. 8 don't seem to understand how allowing same-sex marriage will violate rights of all religious groups. You think you aren't encroaching on the rights of others by marrying same-sex couples, but look at Massachussetts, where Catholic adoption agencies are having to close their doors because they won't place children with same-sex couples. This will affect all of us, not just the gay population. I respect gay people, but I also respect the institution of marriage as God intended it.

[Barbara]

No on 8! To support Prop 8 is to demonstrate a frightening lack of compassion for millions of Californians. What's next, don't allow gays to vote or go to school? Make them wear pink triangles? I simply can't understand how people can be so cruel to their fellow citizens.

Anyone how voted yes on 8 has no compassion, and no sense of right and wrong. I hope they can learn to love their fellow citizens soon and get over their ridiculous insecurities. (Gay people won't hurt you, or your marriage!)

[Aubrey]

Also, in response to the argument that same-sex couples "go against nature" due to their biological inability to reproduce: What do you have to say for sterile or barren couples? Should they not be allowed to marry either, as their union would not result in a biological child? What about heterosexual couples whom choose not to have children - should they as well be barred from marriage?

Every argument I have ever heard supporting Proposition 8 is easily dissolved.

[Impulse]

i do not see what is the harm in this. The have a right to have their marriage recognized as we do. Even though i'm a homophobic i am still voting NO on prop 8, because i strongly believe that by not recognizing their union under state law is unconstitutional. For those that keep mentioning [g]od states marriage is between man and woman...well sorry to say but in this country there is a separation of church and state, therefore whatever [g]od has to say about this it doesn't mean much...

[Robert]

It is sad that so many people support prop 8. If you dont believe in gay marriage, then dont marry somone of the same gender, but dont impose your choice on other people who have different beliefs. Imposing your personal belief on another person is wrong, even in the eyes of God.

[LIZ]

Currently gay people can get together as much as they want and enjoy all same legal treatment. But their union should not ever be called a MARRIAGE. BECAUSE A MARRIAGE WAS ESTABLISHED SINCE THE BEGINING OF TIME BY GOD REMEMBER? ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE. And no gay should raise children at all. They should have puppies instead. They wont be afected.

[sharto]

What is the world coming to? what will this lead to? is this the start of something incomparable? it's like people are just watching the integrity of california just go down the drain, yes on 8! i am not judging, i am not saying who can marry who, I just want to restore some shred of dignity. If your gay, God bless...just keep it to yourself and dont use a timeless tradition to satisfy your unorthadox life.

[very concerned]

I voted yes on proposition 8. The reason being is the way I was raised. I have strong Christian beliefs which were instilled in me by my parents and grandparents. The whole book of Leviticus tells how homosexuality is a sin. Now, I do have homosexual friends, associates and family members and I love them and accept them as people. I do not condone their lifestyle. It is not my place to tell them this is a sin. God is a God of free will:He allows us the opportunity to choose. What I am concerned about are the following:
1) the human race: if homosexual couples become more prevalent than heterosexual ones, where would the babies come from?
2)other marital choices:voting for the opportunity to marry whomever we loved would leave the door open to marrying immediate family members, family pets, and inanimate objects. True, these scenarios do seem a bit far fetched, but believe me, someone will attempt it.
If you are in a committed relationship and you love the person you are with, most times a piece of paper does not necessarily guarantee happiness. But in the same token, don't mess with something that is not broken. Let God's plan rule all the days!!!!!!

[Duke]

We should all have the same right to marry somebody of the opposite sex and reproduce as God intended. Yes on 8!!! Equal rights for everyone!

[Robert]

The door to discrimination has been opened and closed minded people are flocking to run through.

[wunkus]

johnandadam,

Who cares. I wont miss you.

[Mandy T.]

I voted NO on 8! I think that everyone should be treated equally! I just wouldn't want anyone telling me who I can marry...and gay people aren't trying to impose their marriage on anyone...so why do people care?! What ever happened to separation of church and state? It ridiculous that our country has gotten to this point! If this passes it's a huge step back in our history!

[Cheryl]

God said Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Sorry. It is an abomination unto the Lord thy God for a man to lay with a man. It is in the Holy word of GOd. Whether we all want to face it or not, It is the truth. Every one will see when our Lord comes back in clouds of angels. You will all see. WE will all see!!!!!

[teacherlady]

OH WOW! Some of you are soooo crazy! I'm a teacher and we DO NOT teach a single word about marriage! In fact this is my 10th year teaching...one year I had a boy with two dads and he announced freely and HAPPILY and LOOOOUDLY that his dads were getting married. This was 7 years ago! A few kids snickered, a few said he must've been lying, and one got really hung up on it and argued incessantly that boys could only marry girls. It was difficult to get them to move on and away from that topic. I did not give facts nor opinions. (The boy was a 1st grader)

A year later a girl LOUDLY announced that her mom went to a gay bar. Questions ensued, "Teacher, what's gay?" "What's a gay bar?" The girl had to be sent out of the classroom because she proceeded to tell them it meant girls kiss girls and so on! (The student was a 2nd grader)

Kids tell all....

We can try to get them off the topic, while in our classrooms, but we CAN NOT control what they talk about on the playground!

LIKE IT OR NOT PEOPLE......IT'S ALL AROUND YOU!

Gay couples ARE adopting and/or getting artfically inseminated.

And HOW RUDE for YOU or anyone to BE SO SELFISH as to say they shouldn't be able to marry yet they are able to raise children. HOW SELFISH to say the millions of kids in the system are better left in group homes or foster situations when they could have a LOVING family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jza]

I totally agree with the argument that gay marriage will lead to the legalization of incest...i mean c'mon, it's so obvious right? Then once incest is legalized, what comes next...marrying objects? Pencils perhaps? Vote yes on Prop 8 or else the world will turn to marrying pencils...because obviously when those who say this is about love they also mean that that love could also extend to objects like pencils...that's sound thinking right? Right? Vote yes on Prop 8 or we'll all start marrying family members and pencils.

[crispypark]

Definitely NO on 8!
I hope people realize how ridiculous 8 is.

Those who are against 8 are the ones who least care about social minorities. Why do you need to prevent people from being happy? If you don't like gay marriage, just don't have one.

I do not understand why some people say things about God or Christianity here. Their statement does not make any sense. I think they are using God or Jesus for their convenience. If God and Jesus had said gay people shouldn't be happy, they would have said "Equality and happiness for everybody EXCEPT for gays"

Let's stop encouraging discrimination to be expanded by voting NO on 8.

[Pat Harris]

I was very sad that Prop 8 looks like it's going to pass. The commercials really pIayed on people's most basic fears and used children to promote their agenda. I'm a black woman who voted against it and I hate that they are painting the Prop 8 thing by race. It's by religious conservatism People who are highly religious and traditional don't believe in homosexuality, but there are tons of free-thinking individuals who understand what prejudice looks like and remember when biblical scriptures were used against black people the same way. Keep struggling. The same way that black people have made some strides over the last 45 years or so, gays will too. And because of our progress, it will not take gays as long. I predict that gay marriage is going to be legal in the whole US within the next 5 years. It sounds like a long time, but it's so worth the wait.

[Micah]

"No one is discriminating against religion. No one will force a church to perform a marriage ceremony for a gay couple. Religion and state are separated by law, which is something that a lot of people in this country want to change."

Religion and state? Yes it will force a church to perform a marriage ceremony for a gay couple. A homosexual couple could sue for discrimination and actually win.

[Steve]

In Maine, in 2001 Phillip Buble petitioned a judge to allow his dog "Lady" to accompany him in court and have their relationship acknowledged as equal to marriage.

I would like to know from some Prop 8 supporters if they would support Buble's relationship? Any takers?

[sayuri]

Polygamy has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage. And gay couples can already adopt children. Love has no age, race, or gender. And, since when has religion played a part in what people can or cannot do. As far as I can remember, people are not forced into any religion in this country, and therefore do not have to conform to any religious ideals. Who people marry is not anyone's business but their own. NO ON 8

[mariconazo]

You do hate gay people, that's why you voted yes. Quit pretending otherwise. I prefer an honestly wrong person to a hypocritical fool.

[anna]

how can some of you sit there and go on and on about peoples rights?! its not about rights its about right from wrong! If your going to say no one should be able to tell anyone else what their rights are than who can tell the ax murderer sitting in prison that he can't kill everyone you love? Extreme? Says who? You? well to a LOT of people same sex marriage is extreme...including me. If you want to talk about rights, my right is to vote and I voted YES ON 8!!!

[L Joyce Croker]

I'll be pretty sad that, if the same brothers and sisters of African descent who voted in Obama voted just me and my wife out of our recent marriage (after waiting 17 years to be legally married in this state).

We voted for Obama, too.

;-0

[James]

Here's one for you... the hispanics/foreigners are draining this state dry and all you can think about is equal rights for gay/lesbian marriage? This state is going to hell in a hand basket.... period. How's that for poitlically correct? Can you handle it?

[teacherlady]

Wow anna, you ARE extreme! (extremely confused, extremly homophobic, extremely ignorant, extremely closed-minded....I could go on)

What scares me, anna, is that you seem so proud of yourself and just how EXTREME you are....

Seek counseling and any other form of help immediately....because if NO ON 8 wins your going to be EXTREMELY AFRAID to leave your house!

[Mike Flaherty]

Here are a couple of simple facts about homosexuality being normal or consistent with mother nature. Although homosexuality is not 'normal', it is completely consistent with nature. Throughout the animal kingdom there is consistently a minority that is gay. People can chose or not chose to have gay sex, but they can't chose whether they are attracted to the same sex. It is simply a natural phenomenon. Just because most of us, including me, have a hard time imagining what that's like, doesn't make it wrong or unnatural. It simply is what it is. Don't pigeon hole gay people as promiscuous or with loose morals. Many live conservative lives and want to have a monogamous loving relationship just like those of us who revere the sanctity of marriage.
For those of you who have convinced yourselves that gays are people weak of morals that are living out of sync with god, take 2 seconds to consider that those were the same things good people used to tell themselves about blacks when they were denied rights. There were plenty of good people like you who were misled back then too. No one is infringing on your rights - If you are truly concerned about our society then focus on being a loving, accepting role model. WWJD

[buzzlo11@yahoo.com]

Our Money Says "In God We Trust" so don't make it about religion, if you do, then don't use our money and leave the country.

Now, in the animal kingdom, even animals know they can't mate with the same sex. Hello? Even animals know that it's not right, not right at all. Gays have rights. Marriage should also have rights, man and women. Period.

[Kasi]

It is very sad to use children as a fear mechanism. My 2nd grader knows about gays and lesbians and I would not change that. She needs to be aware of the world around her and be informed. From that she can make a decision for herself. FYI - the morality argument does not fly. Morals differ by person. There are no set morals.

[joshua jordan]

Just food for thought.... how come nobody mentions the tax implications & the lost income to our revenue starved state if this proposition does not pass.

[anna]

mariconazo...
Thats hilarious! wow, a hypocrite calling someone else hypocritical! your making an assumption based on what someone believes in. Whatever. Some day we'll all know. "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess..." How sad for you.

[MisterFancyPants]

So...

Just wow.
How does anyone have the right, in a country governed with the belief of separation of church and state, to tell people whom they can and cannot marry?

When the argument is made that gay people will produce more gay people: do straight people only produce straight people? Does hanging out with a straight person make a gay person become straight?

When it is said that children need a mother and a father figure: should we also tell the children in orphanages, "Sorry, you still can't have a home or loving family..because we couldn't find a mother AND a father for you" or perhaps we should take children away from single parents for the same reason?

But gay people can't produce children.. Actually, there's some scientific research going on now that may change that; Not to mention this would also imply that the elderly and infertile should not be allowed to marry either.

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman.. Looking back on my high school mythology course, I remember quite a few homosexual relationships. Marriage also used to be arranged by parents, between only members of the same social class, race, etc. My how far we've come (hopefully a few people won't make us stop short)

But the Bible says.. Ok, now, since when does something favoring one religion get put into the lawbooks validly? So much more I could say (respectfully) about this, but just don't go there.

It's unnatural.. Check out the male anatomy. A little thing called the prostate. Then tell me it's unnatural :)

Honestly, there are far too many reasons why this is the most ridiculous idea ever that I would end up dying before I could finish. I expect better from you, America. I really do.

Now why can't I marry the man I love again?

[cnesnej]

Passing Proposition 8 will be a terrible setback for California. It breaks my heart to see such strong support for such an abysmal display of homophobia and hatred in my home state.

To those of you who support Prop 8, i ask you to look back in history; Fifty years ago, people thought it was "unnatural" for blacks and whites to marry, and laws were passed to keep them from doing so. Today, laws like this are seen as abominations - we look back on them and we are horrified that people could ever condone such bigotry.

Prop 8 is no different. If passed, it would limit the rights of millions of people because their sexual orientation does not fit with the "traditional" values outlined in religious doctrines that the people in question may or may not support.

The polls have closed. It is now too late for any of you to change your vote for or against Prop 8. Rest assured, though: if this proposition passes, it will not mean the end of the fight for gay rights. Those of us who stand on the side of love and equality will continue in the struggle in support of our homosexuals brothers and sisters. No amount of Propositions passed or defeated will ever silence our voice - the voice that calls for justice, for understanding, for liberty that extends to ever man and woman in America and in the world. We will never give up.

[youknow]

I hope most of you did the right thing and voted Yes to Prop 8.

[Religion]

Freedom and civil liberties have always been tempered with discipline and order. I am originally from a developing county and have known that laws and freedom have always been abused by some members of society. I fear that this country is slowly if not already eroded by unbridled freedom. The cornerstone of society (religion, discipline and decency) has been beaten down by relentless and aggressive small elements of society. The majority should wake up before its too late.

[Cari]

Amen, Aubrey...Amen Teacher Lady...

This is an absurd proposition and I hope that it gets shut out. Religious "beliefs" have no place in state legislature....Period!!!

Some people need to listen to our children...as some of the teenagers have eloquently summarized their stance/views in this blog, they seem more open minded and definitely not as silly as some of the views posted here.

How would you like it if a proposition was passed that said no one could be Catholic anymore? Every church has to convert to and every person has to attend Evangelical services. Would you be upset??? Would it be fair for our government to decide your faith? No? Why do you then think it is fair for your faith to decide which person(s) get what civil rights?

[Matthew Malone]

Does anyone realize that voting "no" on proposition 8 actually discriminates against the church? How could you even think of voting "no" when that means any church that still holds their core beliefs and denies gay marriage within their walls could be sued for exhibiting unconstitutional conduct! It's ridiculous to even think that you're not hurting anyone by being able to marry eachother. I don't understand you people.

[Sean]

Since when is it okay for the majority to decide what is right and just for the minority?

This is America, we have a freedom from religion. That means, in no way, can a religion influence the law.

We were founded on the principle of separation between church and state. Unless you can come up with a better reason then "god said so" to ban gay marriage, then I'm afraid according to the law, they must allow it.

[Tad Leon]

Pleae read the eloquent and aggressive arguments put forth by Dave Albulario posted above.
And now, please consider this: I have to be a conservative, honest, hard-working man who lives quietly with my family. I also believe and practice plural marriage.....as was common in biblical times and in many cultures around the world to this day. Will the defeat of Prop. 8 allow me to legally marry my multiple wives....?? And if anyone who is against Prop 8....and/or agrees with Dave's reasoning above, is unwilling to give me the same treatment...for the same reasons..(just re-read his rationale and apply in to my rights, my status in society, my worth as a human being).....then you are simply ignorant and the ultimate hypocrite. What is good for the goose is good for the gander...and good for me......Think about it.

[David]

To everyone who voted yes on Proposition 8. So you think it should be up to anyone to choose who marries who. Who's next? Want me to vote to take away the rights you have with your spouse? Because if you're not willing to let your personal life be decided by the whims of the public then don't you dare tell me that I have to.