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LAPD braces for Prop. 8 protest in West L.A., vows to be prepared*

Prop. 8 protest

More than 3,000 protesters marched near the landmark Los Angeles California Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Westwood today to protest the church's strong support for Proposition 8. Santa Monica Boulevard is closed and nearby traffic is gridlocked.

Opponents of Proposition 8, which outlawed gay marriage in California, were waving banners and chanting. A similar protests occurred on Wednesday night in Hollywood and West Hollywood.

Los Angeles Police Department officials say they won't be caught off-guard as they were last night, when they were required to call a tactical alert after a few members of the mostly peaceful crowd got out of hand. The protest is scheduled to begin at 2 p.m. off Santa Monica Boulevard.

In the wake of the passage of the state proposition banning gay marriage, Wednesday night saw thousands protest in West Hollywood and Hollywood, forcing police to shut down some streets and the LAPD to call a citywide tactical alert that required officers from one watch to stay on duty during the next watch.

At least seven people were arrested, four at the intersection of Hollywood and Highland, where one man jumped on top of a police car. Television cameras captured one protester struggling with officers and being struck on the legs by batons.

The Mormon temple is apparently being targeted because of church members' funding and support of the proposition.

* Update: Another protest is planned for later this afternoon in West Hollywood near the Pacific Design Center. The MTA says streets will be closed and buses rerouted. Details from the MTA statement:

Metro has received word that there will be additional Prop. 8 demonstrations this afternoon and evening and [L.A. County Sheriff's Department]  will be closing San Vicente from Melrose to Santa Monica Boulevard starting at 4 p.m. until the streets are cleared, which could go into the late evening. There will be no traffic including buses allowed to go north on San Vicente.  During this time, Metro will need to reroute buses to Robertson to go north and then east on Santa Monica Blvd.

**Update 2: Metro corrected their earlier statement, saying the Sheriff's Department currently has "no formal plan to close San Vicente Boulevard between Santa Monica Boulevard and Melrose Avenue this evening."

-- Richard Winton and Rong-Gong Lin II

Photo credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times

 
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Listen, I am not against gays having relationships, but unfortunately, this whole protest just reeks of uneducated pissed off homosexuals looking for someone to blame. I laugh that they have targeted the Mormon church. Why not attack the other religions who supported this proposition? I laugh that most of these rioters fail to realize the very small percentage of Mormons who inhabit California. They alone are not swaying the vote. I laugh when I hear that people think the Mormon church funded the majority of this campaign when it was it's members who are also American last time I checked, not the church.

This has been voted down twice now BY THE MAJORITY, which is how this country works. Why don't people realize this? The rioters need to look at the bigger picture here, and get a better grip on why this prop went down the way it did. Was it fair for one judge to overrule the amendment when the majority had spoken out against it? That's not democracy.

The view that Mormons, and supporters of prop 8 are pushing their beliefs on others is no different than the cause homosexuals are trying are trying to push on those who oppose prop 8 by challenging the Mormon church. The door swings both ways.

Go ahead and voice your opinions and frustrations, just be educated on your cause before you do it.

"I didn't realize lack of embracement of personal inclination could be considered a civil rights issue or let alone oppression. Discrimination is DISCRIMINATING against something outside of a persons will or control (race, ethnicity, gender). Not wanting imposition of personal choice to a society as a whole is called wisdom!

Posted by: Truth | November 06, 2008 at 02:24 PM"

So, Truth. How old were you when you decided you were going to be heterosexual? Surely at some point you made that conscious decision. Were you, say, 12? Maybe it was puberty. Or maybe it was in your late teens.

Don't remember? It's okay. I don't remember ever deciding to be gay. I just always knew that I was. The only decision I made was to not be self-loathing and living in a lie. I suspect that you never made the conscious choice to be straight. It was always self-evident.

This is the fundamental (pardon the pun) flaw in the argument on the part of all of the Yes on Prop 8 Proponents. You seem to conveniently disregard what everyone who is gay says."They've always been gay." I would be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt for they know what's in their heart better than you. You seem to maintain it's a choice. Let me ask you, why would someone choose to be gay knowing they face the kind of treatment hurled at them by the likes of you? Why would someone want to subject themself to that? Nobody in their right mind would. And yet we have a certain percentage of the population (generally held at 10%, but my belief is that it is higher) that is steadily gay. Hmmm.

It was always self-evident that I was gay. But I could also see how society treated gays. This kept me closeted for years. Do you have any idea how destructive it is to have society tell you that you are evil and a sinner, yet in your heart you know you're a good and loving person? You've never harmed another person but you're given a vile label. You start to create a secret life of lies, constantly holding this secret inside you. It's terribly destructive. In fact, many gay youth cannot cope with it and commit suicide.

How wonderful for you that you had heterosexuality in your genes during a time on Earth when so much fear of homosexuality exists. I envy you. What a cushy life you've had. If you actually get out and know more gay people, I think you will find very compassionate, loving individuals who want nothing more than to share their lives with their partners along with all of the legal benefits that go with it. Instead, you've chosen to embrace the fear and hatred espoused by organized religion. In that sense, I feel sorry for you. Because there are so many wonderful humans you will never know.

Once you understand that being gay is not a choice, the right thing becomes obvious. To all of the african americans who are insulted at the comparisons, there is no need to be offended. It's because we know that there is nothing wrong with being gay. And its something inherent to who we are. It's always been present in human civilization as well as the animal kingdom.

All the other arguments are distractions and fear tactics.

I've read that prop 8 passed because of the high turnout of the black voters in California, who went to the polls to vote for Obama. These same black voters would be appalled if the white majority voted to deny them certain rights based on skin color, yet they supported legislation to discriminate against others based on sexual orientation. How ironic is that? You'd think a race of people who had been discriminated against in the recent past, would be more sensitive to the issue of discrimination in general, but such is not the case.

"Posted by: phil | November 06, 2008 at 02:42 PM"

Gee Phil, what part of "separation between Church and State" don't you understand?

Secondly, if this is your "proof" of God being against homosexuality, I'd say your argument is pretty weak. Got anything a little more convincing? Make it good.

As an openly gay man, and I am deeply offended by the actions of the protesters with respects to prop 8. This is NOT MY COMMUNITY! My community is better than this. I spent nearly 25 years working for the Los Angeles Police Department (I am now retired) and I have a lot of respect for the City and people who call it home.

Since June 21st 1991, I was openly gay with The LAPD- so I know a bit about "hate" and discrimination! I was on the "skirmish lines" during the AB101 protests back in the 1990's as a GAY officer- I had rocks and bottles thrown at me by my own damn community members- It was offensive then and it is offensive now. When I see the photos in the LA times I see men and women who I know standing out on the skirmish lines with riot gear on- how shameful the protesters are!

Prior to this year’s election, I personally saw young men (who did not live in my community) out in the darkness ripping down "Yes on 8" signs out near my home in Agau Dulce/ Acton in LA County. They ran to a waiting car which was displaying the "rainbow flag." I shook my head in shame!

This is not who I am or what I stand for. Those involved should be ashamed of themselves and our community really needs to step back and take a hard look at themselves. In the weeks leading up to the vote on Nov 4th, I and other voters frequently saw stories about Militant GLBT'S from the "No" campaign using violence to get out their message out. For Example, in Modesto, CA. a man was beaten and sent to the E/R- his crime? Posting "yes on 8" signs! In Fullerton, 5 gay men were arrested for the theft of "Yes on 8" signs after leaving a gay bar rally for "NO on 8". Acts of vandalism, and hate were by far more common with the "No" side (and sadly GLBT's) than the yes side. Now add to the mix that I know our community (GLBT) condones "goading tactics" when it comes to religion- I will not be a part of that!

I could care less about the actions of the YES side- they are not my community and I expect and require that my community act in a lawful, ethical manner-otherwise count me out!!!

Now I see images of a gay man jumping up and down on a LAPD patrol car in Hollywood while officers grapple with one on the asphalt. Now we have angry protesters blocking traffic and making threats towards a church- a house of worship. I am not Mormon- but I find the assault of ANY church deeply troubling and offensive- no matter what the name of it is! To say I was angry with the protesters was an understatement!

YESTERDAY! A GAY MAN from Palmdale, CA on MYSPACE said, "where is the F***** Mormon Church lets burn it down!" I took his remarks and sent them right to MYSPACE as TOS violations and then sent them to the proper law enforcement officials- THIS IS WRONG! The conduct of the GLBT community has crossed serious lines with this-there can be no excuse for this type of conduct.

I, AS A GAY MAN, WILL NEVER-EVER SUPPORT ACTIONS LIKE THIS! I will never knowingly associate with people who support actions like this- this is a basic violation of the things I hold dear in my life! Gay community or not means nothing- you cannot justify this type of conduct-NO WAY!

The Mormon Church is an easy target for those mindless protesters- the history of this church makes this clear. As I said, I am not a Mormon- but I respect the site as a church and respect it because of the values this nation was built upon.

Lori Jean, The director of the Los Angeles Gay and lesbian Center made remarks out in front of the Mormon Temple yesterday which could only be viewed as attempting to start a RIOT! I called her at the gay Community Center yesterday voiced my disgust for her actions as a community leader and the fact she claims to speak for the gay community. Lori Jean, The “director” of the gay Community Center in Los Angeles was a real part of the problem in trying to sell voters on Prop 8- she brings with her and “in your face” militant agendas when it comes to GLBT issues- “in your face tactics never work. Lori and her cronies at the Los Angeles Center clearly condone and advocate the use of “terror tactics” by radical members of our community to scar people and force agendas upon people- this is clear by the conduct of many in our community since the passage of prop 8.

If you are heterosexual (str8) and believe in God, then vote your beliefs- Lori and her cronies label you a “bigot” and “hate mongers”. Support your beliefs with money, and stand up for your values- Expect that Lori Jean and her army of gay Gestapo’s to use cyber terrorism to post your information all over the internet!

If you are gay/ lesbian and criticize "the movement” you are labeled a “self loathing fag with mental problems” (or a woman) which is OK with me- those protesters need me much more than I need them! I am happy with whatever label they choose to place upon me! I am sick of this whole thing! I hope that the LA TIMES AND news groups take time to seek out those of us who DO NOT support this type of terrorism and would INTERVIEW US! We have astory to tell and we do not support the protesters or actions of people like Lori Jean- let our voices be heard!

The voters have spoken Lori Jean- from one gay man to a lesbian women-GET A LIFE AND MOVE ON!

If you are going to label those who voted "yes on 8" as "bigots" then please feel free to add my name to that list because I voted YES on prop 8-A GAY MAN! Just because I am gay does not mean I will march in "lock step" with the rest of the GLBT community-there will be no "free pass" in my views for GLBT's who act in this way. I will never support the actions or a community who acts like this.

The best way we can think of in getting out our message is DIRECTLY IMPACT RESPONSIBLE GAY OWNED BUSINESS in this tuff economy and have them communicate to people like Lori Jean and the others that their actions do more harm than good. So, my partner and I have opted to BOYCOTT ALL GAY OWENED AND OPERATED businesses (bars-ect) anywhere in California until further notice. We have no intention of spending money in places which will only turn around and hand it to the militants who want to trample over other rights of others-no way no how! The GLBT community needs to understand that if they want the support of RESPONSIBLE gay men; like us-then they should act like a CIVILIZED ADULTS-not spoiled children throwing a temper tantrum.

To all the Str8 and ‘civilized’ people and readers of Los Angeles, this is one gay man who wishes to apologize for the actions of the GLBT community. Sadly, the actions of a few jerks in the GLBT community have not cast a stain on the whole community- we are not all like this nor do we support the actions of those who violate the law or act out in this way.

AGAIN FOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE CONFUSED ON GAY MARRIAGE RIGHTS HERE IT IS AGAIN, THIS TIME THE ACTUAL CODE

California Family Code

297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,
protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.
(b) Former registered domestic partners shall have the same
rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon former spouses.
(c) A surviving registered domestic partner, following the death
of the other partner, shall have the same rights, protections, and
benefits, and shall be subject to the same responsibilities,
obligations, and duties under law, whether they derive from statutes,
administrative regulations, court rules, government policies, common
law, or any other provisions or sources of law, as are granted to
and imposed upon a widow or a widower.
(d) The rights and obligations of registered domestic partners
with respect to a child of either of them shall be the same as those
of spouses. The rights and obligations of former or surviving
registered domestic partners with respect to a child of either of
them shall be the same as those of former or surviving spouses.
(e) To the extent that provisions of California law adopt, refer
to, or rely upon, provisions of federal law in a way that otherwise
would cause registered domestic partners to be treated differently
than spouses, registered domestic partners shall be treated by
California law as if federal law recognized a domestic partnership in
the same manner as California law.
(f) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights
regarding nondiscrimination as those provided to spouses.
(g) No public agency in this state may discriminate against any
person or couple on the ground that the person is a registered
domestic partner rather than a spouse or that the couple are
registered domestic partners rather than spouses, except that nothing
in this section applies to modify eligibility for long-term care
plans pursuant to Chapter 15 (commencing with Section 21660) of Part
3 of Division 5 of Title 2 of the Government Code.
(h) This act does not preclude any state or local agency from
exercising its regulatory authority to implement statutes providing
rights to, or imposing responsibilities upon, domestic partners.
(i) This section does not amend or modify any provision of the
California Constitution or any provision of any statute that was
adopted by initiative.
(j) Where necessary to implement the rights of registered domestic
partners under this act, gender-specific terms referring to spouses
shall be construed to include domestic partners.
(k) (1) For purposes of the statutes, administrative regulations,
court rules, government policies, common law, and any other provision
or source of law governing the rights, protections, and benefits,
and the responsibilities, obligations, and duties of registered
domestic partners in this state, as effectuated by this section, with
respect to community property, mutual responsibility for debts to
third parties, the right in particular circumstances of either
partner to seek financial support from the other following the
dissolution of the partnership, and other rights and duties as
between the partners concerning ownership of property, any reference
to the date of a marriage shall be deemed to refer to the date of
registration of a domestic partnership with the state.
(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), for domestic partnerships
registered with the state before January 1, 2005, an agreement
between the domestic partners that the partners intend to be governed
by the requirements set forth in Sections 1600 to 1620, inclusive,
and which complies with those sections, except for the agreement's
effective date, shall be enforceable as provided by Sections 1600 to
1620, inclusive, if that agreement was fully executed and in force as
of June 30, 2005.

Okay, i don't live in California so i didn't vote for or against prop 8. However, i think it is ridiculous how the gay marriage advocates are targeting the LDS church. As other people have pointed out, they are only 2 percent of the population. Someone said that it was the funding and advertising that made everyone vote they way they did. Well, when was the last time you saw an advertisement and decided that you HAD to go out and buy the product? The people chose on principle to vote for Prop 8. Just drop it.

as a gay man i voted against it also..marriage is only between a man and woman-i dont see why everyone is getting so upset-who cares about marriage IF I WANTED TO GET MARRIED I WOULD HAVE BEEN STRAIGHT! but im not so i accept it and move on..the gays who feel discriminationare not in the same league as the african american, the latino or the native americans and anyone other minority that has expierenced discrimination....get over it.

As a Catholic Christian I am appalled and horrified at the hatred and bigotry spewing from the homosexual community towards Mormons. Yet I knew it was coming. I was wrong when I thought the Catholic Church was the last target that could be unfairly attacked by bigots without condemnation by the PC crowd. How utterly sickening.

The homosexual community who claims to be discriminated against seems to think they have license to attack and judge any group that rejects their agenda. Hypocrisy at its worst.

Keep it up homosexual community! The more hateful and nasty you become, the more you strengthen the resolve of your opposition.

WOW! I thought the only thing popular culture had the license to hate and discriminate against without consequence was the Catholic Church? I guess the hypocrites and PC-crowd found a second target in the Mormons.

I hope Catholics show the sacrifice and determination of the Mormons if this matter ever rears its ugly head again. If Catholics in California (no, not non-Catholics who claim to be Catholic) mobilized like the Mormons, Prop 8 would have passed with 65-70%

"Posted by: Kinchan | November 06, 2008 at 03:31 PM"

Kinchan, Kinchan, Kinchan . You're leaving out a lot of crucial points from you very, long-winded lecture. (I'll bet you didn't do so well in your English composition classes, did you).

You forgot to mention:

1) Regarding your fertility doctor "friend", for now I call FUD on this one (trying to spread your point using Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt). Though there is a case on the Supreme Court dockets similar to this. MIght it be the same? In the case I am talking about, the woman and doctor engaged in a contract and she took fertility drugs for a year before the doctor backed out. There are implications beyond his religious beliefs as she incurred real costs. This is a contractual dispute, despite how you might try to spin it.

Regarding the Methodist Church, you "forgot" to mention that the church was offering a public "accommodation" to all couples "except" homosexual couples. Seems they, like the Boy Scouts, want to have their cake and eat it too. They want all of the tax exempt status and other benefits that come from the public, but they still want to be free to discriminate.

2) You just kind of completely wander off topic here. The point you should take from this is that gays and lesbians DID have the right to marry before this illegal proposition (and yes IT IS ILLEGAL. If a propositional amendment attempts remove rights from a minority, then it must first pass a 2/3 majority vote in the legislature and then a 2/3 majority in a public vote.)

3) Public funds Kinchan. Public funds.

Educate yourself with the full, story. Kinchan. And then think about it.

To *****John in Agua Dulce*****

Thank you for your commentary

Your comments are extremely insightful. You should write an op-ed piece for the Times.

Hey John in Agua Dulce you wrote "We as a community may not like it- but the VOTERS have spoken. Your actions and the actions of those in the "mob" did nothing to help the cuase0 if anything you did more harm than good!"

You only speak for yourself, not "we as a community." Obviously there's plenty of people in our community who are madder than hell and don't want to put up with the "trampling on" of civil rights. You're just the kind of guy that would be happy to sit in the back of the bus. So stay there and stop trying to uninspire the rest of us to change the world for the better.


I think some homosexuals are finding out that they are not a protected class when it comes to infringing on the rights of others who reject their views.

They don't like it one bit so they act like angry and destructive children.

Get used to it. The days of license to do as you please at the expense of others are coming to an end.

All I have to say is this:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth." (Romans 1:16)

"He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." (Isaiah 53:3)

Hello, When you accuse us of "hate" for teaching religon. That in itself is hate. Gay couples already have all the legal rights of marriage in California. And we don't stand against that. We also don't want any kind of violence or disrespect to take place against gays. We hope you find peace in your life. It is not our fault if you don't find it peaceful to live the way you do.

You are discriminating against religion when you insist that gays have a "right" to change the very fabric of our society. Live your life however you want. But have respect for others who want to live their own lives in peace as well.

Traditional marriage has been trampled for many years now and not by you, but by heterosexuals mostly.

Society needs to draw a line--to say this, this is where the redefinition of the family stops. I think everyone has a line they would draw. You may draw that line after it included homosexuals. You would not include polygamists most likely, or a commune of 20 people who wanted the "rights" of marriage. Or someother combination... you would draw a line over which one relationship is marriage and another is not, it is something else. That is all that we are doing.

This is where we want to draw the line: a marriage is one man and one woman. We asked others in the state if they liked where we would draw the line. They voted yes. You voted no.

Take it to court now. Let the system work, let's find out together where that line is going to be drawn. Let's define the "family" once and for all. As far as the law of the land goes. We believe it has already been drawn by society long long ago. And it was wisely drawn in the best interest of society.

We have a right to our beliefs and we have already compromised very much with you. We have not protested your lifestyle or tried to change you. But now please return the favor and let us draw this line.

To Todd Clem: You should read the legal opinion, written by the state Supreme Court. Marriage was a fundamental right - for straight and gay people.

I'm sad to see the pain that is so evident in the comments posted on this topic. I can't imagine how it must feel to not be allowed to be married to the person I loved so much.

Another thing that concerns me is the vitriol being slogged against different groups, whatever their beliefs. Surely we can disagree with the decisions others make, but does it have to be so hateful? I understand feelings run high when talking about religion, politics, etc., but hate is hate whether it is against people with a sexual orientation that doesn't fit with ours, or against a religion we may not be able to understand fully.

This whole thing disgusts me and makes me sick! I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am not going to preach on here, but i still think it is ridiculous how people acted. Just be thankful for Democracy and the right to vote and make laws and have a new leader without any blood being shed. We need to remember what country we are living in!! You need to remember that everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and that Citizens of America cannot act like this. I also don't like how people say things about the LDS church that are not true. Think before you act. The gays and the LDS,people including me, have different opinions. the LDS church did what we think is right. There needs to be no contention is this land, America!!

 
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