Gay marriage foes threaten to recall California Supreme Court justices

Last week, the aggressive tactics of Prop. 8 opponents -- street protests, boycotts of business -- made headlines. This week, it appears that backers of the ban on gay marriage are the ones making threats. Yes on 8 forces are talking about a recall against members of the California Supreme Court if they throw out the measure.

To some, the recall talk marks another increase in the post-election battle and a response to the No on 8 protests:

"This push-back in the last two weeks has actually mobilized the Yes on 8 people," said the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference. If the California Supreme Court were to overturn Proposition 8, "you will see a mobilized group like you have never seen in the state of California." Rodriguez said in an interview Tuesday that some religious leaders are discussing a potential recall of Supreme Court justices. He expects the Supreme Court to overturn Proposition 8, and if that happens, "there are grounds for a recall. We saw that with Gray Davis," he said. "We have an oligarchy, an oligarchy in judges' role in the state of California."

Remember the Gray Davis recall? Well, one of the figures behind it thinks a Prop. 8 recall effort if the justices toss the measure out is a real possibility. According to the San Diego Union-Tribune:

If that happens, watch out for a "barn-burner of an election -- the biggest thing this state has ever seen," says recall election guru Ted Costa. Costa says he's already been contacted by some of the folks who would seek to recall Ronald George, Joyce Kennard, Kathryn Werdegar and Carlos Moreno if Prop. 8 is scrapped. He thinks it's premature and risky because talk of a recall "would just (bleep) off the judges." Costa also doesn't sound like he's too thrilled about such a recall, saying it wouldn't be "healthy." Citing all the financial turmoil in California, he said, "If someone's going to do some recalling, that should be the focus."

When it comes to judicial recalls, one woman's name says it all. And Jon Fleischman utters it: "No government official is immune from the voters’ will, whether they be in the executive, legislative or, yes, even in the judicial branch. Remember Rose Bird?"

-- Shelby Grad

Comments

[Jon B]

I thought that the Yes-On-8 folks thought it was wrong to target people for their personal beliefs, and for voting on an issue? What happened to that? Aren't they the ones who keep decrying how UNAMERICAN it is to force someone out of a job because of their vote on Prop. 8. They are really the most hypocritical group America has ever seen.

[busytimmy]

fascist Christians! It's not enough that you get tax free churches, now you want to deny civil rights to those who aren't within your narrow ideals of family and sexuality? The USA is not a theocracy so get it through your thick heads that even those who do not worship your Bible are granted civil rights.

[Nancy Vega]

I keep hearing whining (boo whoo). If this gets overturned then what good is our vote?
The people do have a right to vote. They don’t have the right to take away a minority groups rights. Last time I checked in the State & Federal Constitution, it was wrong to discriminate against a group of people. Everyone is EQUAL. Our judicial system is set up to make sure a majority doesn’t suppress minority of people especially when it comes to taking away fundamental rights.

Wake up people! Take a History class or Political Science class, educate yourself!

[jon]

if the law on gay marriages would be approved...just imagine a world lived with gays...it would then again happened that history still repeats itself...it would be the end of the human race...gays multiply in a very different dimension...the world is really getting sicker by the day...

[Michael H. H Charles]

Wow, just like the Nazis who replaced all the judges with Nazi sypathizers in Germany. I guess California is going the way of the Third Reich now. So much for freedom and justice for all.

[donvey lindsey]

donvey lindsey is this fight ever going to end

[Benjamin]

If the California Supreme Court invalidates Prop 8, then they must invalidate any past Referendums that amended the State Constitution, as the Court will have ruled that our State Constitution can't be amended by referendum. If the Court makes such a hasty decision it will damage our democracy beyond repair,

[JohnVar]

Recall Judges and shutdown everything. Voice of majority will knock you off. Just dare to turn down what we voted for.

[Joe of Hollywood]

I don't think the recall threats are going to change any minds. The CA state supreme court has only ever overturned two ballot initiatives. They are going to uphold Prop 8 - and most likely rule that the marriages performed before Prop 8 passed to be valid. Those who are screaming about the tyranny of judges should give it a rest: it's called an independent judiciary and it's fundamental to a democratic society. The No on 8 protesters need to channel their energies into a new ballot initiative to overturn 8.

[John K.]

I've got two words for you: Arnold Schwarzenegger.

(OK, I have some more words) Keep in mind that Arnold will be replacing the justices in the event of a recall. Arnold has already said he hopes the Court overturns Prop. 8. He is a social liberal who will replace the justices with socially liberal justices.

In the event that the recall doesn't happen until after Arnold is finished his term, you'll likely be stuck with a Democratic governor replacing the justices. Diane Feinstein or GAVIN NEWSOM anyone??

[Lou G]

Those that want to keep bashing Christians and the Bible don't seem to be willing to admit that there are a vast array of non-religious, non-Bible-based reasons for opposing same-sex marriage and homosexual behavior more generally. I don't intend to use this limited space to list them all -- do the research and educate yourself as I did. Suffice it to say that it is harmful (even to homosexuals, themselves), and destructive, and society has a right to protect itself from such forces. This issue is also not about denial of fundamental civil rights or discrimination against a certain group of people. Throughout the history of humankind, across all cultures on the planet Earth, marriage has ALWAYS been defined as being between a man and a woman. There has never existed a right to marry someone of the same sex. And, contrary to the claims made by gay rights activists, there's no discrimination against a targeted group of people either. This law applies to all, not just gays. I, a heterosexual, also do not have the right to marry someone of my same sex. No one is denying gays the right to marry, they are as free as anyone else to marry -- someone of the opposite sex -- no denial of any fundamental civil right. And, in CA, under the civil union/domestic partnership laws, they already enjoy all the legal rights, benefits, and privileges the same as married people. All the various red herring arguments put forth by the gay rights movement to try to support this nonsensical idea of same-sex marriage are nothing more than diversions. It's never been about civil (or equal) rights, discrimination, love, and on and on and on. It's always been about this movement trying to FORCE APPROVAL, ACCEPTANCE, ENDORSEMENT of their lifestyle down society's throat. Apparently, tolerance wasn't enough, they DEMAND APPROVAL. And, I've got a civics lesson for all -- none of us has the right to other peoples' approval of our behavior, NONE of US, not just a certain group! Nancy Vega, you're one who needs to 'Wake Up and take a history lesson/political science class.' Can you site me one, just one, example in history where marriage has been defined as being other than between a man and woman? Can you show me where in the CA Constitution is says a right to marry someone of the same sex ever existed? This country is supposed to be 'of, by, and for the people', not a hand-full of unelected, activist justices, who, through their perverse interpretation of the constitution and personal viewpoints, create out of thin air and by judicial fiat a right that has never before existed. They should be recalled! And Prop 8 should stand! It's ironic, indeed, that those who are so quick to accuse those of us who support Prop 8 of being intolerant, hate-mongers, and bigots have been displaying the exact same behavior they decry after the Nov. 4 election and Prop 8's passage. A bigger group of hypocrites I've never seen!

[Zach]

Lou, if the sample of non-religious reasons you're listed to oppose gay marriage and homosexuality are any indication, there may be a vast array, but none very good. No valid science tells us homosexuality is destructive, so while you assert that is fact, your first reason is without scientific merit. Same sex marriage, too, has not "ALWAYS" been forbidden. One band of native Californians allowed gay marriages, in fact, so that argument is without historical merit. And while discriminatory marriage laws may apply to all, so did laws banning interracial marriage, and so that argument obviously has no legal merit. The same is true of the claim that gays enjoy all benefits of marriage under domestic partnership laws, since that does not give access to FEDERAL benefits, of which there are hundreds. Where you get off complaining about judges' knowledge of the law is beyond me, given the mistakes you've made. Maybe you should put your hubris aside, take Nancy's suggestion, and educate yourself.

Or maybe you'll just keep demanding that our impartial court system be compromised based on what you think to be true. Hey, what did the Founding Fathers know anyway in providing a place for these unelected judges?!

[Liberal hater]

All you liberals are uneducated morons. You keep crying about civil rights, boo-hoo-hoo. Grow up, and get an education higher than that of a third grader. If you want sodomites to be able to marry then get enought people to vote for it. Problem is you can't generate enough support for sodomy, so you want liberal activist judges to overturn the will of the people.

CIVIL RIGHTS- boo-hoo-hoo.

Liberalism is amental disorder--Michael Savage How true that statement is.

[Sylvia]

I feel compassion for those who have lead and lived lifestyles that are contrary to Biblical principles. God is a God of love. Be not deceived....God cannot be mocked. With this world getting more evil it serves to remind us all that His return is very soon.

[Todd]

Jon, you are a very twisted individual......as a straight guy I hope the "gays" overtake the world....you'll go into hiding and we'll all be better for your absence....

[Jason]

I'm just amazed at how much intolerance there is at this day in age. That people can be so disrespectful of other's choices and lifestyles that don't even affect them. I don't agree with hate crimes against the church for their beliefs, but I do believe that they, the church, who are supposed to be teaching good moral values and spreading the word of the bible, are using God's name in vain. I don't believe that God would ask his followers to target a specific group of people.
This country was founded on equality and the ideals that all men are created equally. Let's put aside our personal beliefs and let others live how they wish, with the people they choose to love. Religion and state are supposed to be separated in this country, this should not even be an issue up for election.

If protectmarriage.com is your only source of information, and you haven't researched both sides, you are closed minded, selfish. Look at the whole picture before you judge.

[vj]

Those who consider behaviors as a minority have contradicting morals. They can support one group (gays) with their morals and cannot support another group (white heterosexuals) with the same morals. If you think white heterosexual minorities are a joke, "some members of social groups traditionally perceived as dominant have attempted to present themselves as an oppressed minority, such as white, middle-class heterosexual males" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group). If you have true moral values listen to your reason and conscience, don't listen to the contradicting morals of politicians, academia and the media.

[Tom Z]

The rainbow shirted storm troopers are out of controk. There is no equality when 5 judges are able to negate the votes of millions of people.

[J K S]

What's the problem. Same sex marriage - it's ridiculous and perverse. It's beyond common sense and reason. The underlying fact is that emotionally, gays can't "cut the mustard" on being human. They flock together for protection and yell, scream, and whine! Your rights! Your perverse logic is destroying our country, your perversion is telling our children through the media that it is OK to be like you. As each generation appears, it gets worse and worse. We are a sick country and we are dying and eventually our democracy will not exist. Next step for us is enslavement. It's about time that people who know it is wrong, stop worrying about someone "light in the loafers" getting their "foo foo's" in a fluff. Have the backbone and stamina to forego the storm and stand your grounds on what is morally and logically correct. Be strong - fight for banning gay marriages. Stand your ground and don't give up. Protect our children, get this perversion off our airwaves. Bring common sense and dignity back to our country. I'm sure that my thoughts will bring a few ruffles - but really - who cares! We don't like you anyway! It doesn't take a "rocket scientist" to know right from wrong! Good grief! Wake up world!!!

[reactionaryconservativeh8er]

Bravo liberal hater. And church lady. And all you other simple minded morons. You do the cause of the No On 8 people justice by demonstrating how truly stupid and ignorant you are.

"Boo hoo hoo." The biggest whiners are the conservatives who cry about the freedom to take other people's freedoms away. It's just minorities complaining and whining when they have a legitmate gripe but you have no problem listening to KFI and hearing a bunch of rich loud-mouths do what exactly? WHINE AND COMPLAIN.

I'd love to see a recall election of the judges. Who will you get to replace them? Say you get enough names on a petition to have a recall election. The "normal" people will be so pissed at the money your costing the state they will go out and vote for judges that are even more liberal. A recall election may have been easy when the Gubinatorial race was between the Terminator and Arnold Drummond, but who's going to run for the judges position? These judges where already elected by Californians. What makes you think California is suddenly going to elect all conservative justices to the California supreme court?

There's plenty of places for people like you in this country. It's called the midwest. Let us at least have the coasts.

[Pondering]

Gays (not bisexuals) don't procreate they recruit why do you think they want their lifestyle spread throughout schools, social organizations ie Boy Scouts, etc.
As I always say I don't hold anything against gays but if they hold anything against me then there's going to be a fight!!

[Allyn]

I think green ought to be called red, and red ought to be called yellow. Then we should move for brown to be called orange, and for yellow to be called megenta, and blue should be black, instead.

I know it'll be slow-going at first, but come on!!! Others will start to agree and it will become right as rain to them, too. We can't let them, and a thousand previous generations, continue to name the colors. It's our time and this is what we want! Who are they to decide to continue calling red "red" when so many of us want to call it yellow, or magenta! Spectrum fascists!

[Shazamm]

"Jesus came into this world for one purpose. He came to give us the good news that God loves us..."

"The whole gospel is very, very simple. Do you love me? Obey my commandments."

Mother Teresa - No Greater Love (p. 21)

[Dennis]

I hereby promise to treat any CA Supreme Court Justice that chooses to supress the will of California voters on the marriage issue with exactly the same respect, courtesy and civility "No on 8" backers have expressed following their defeat.

[Alex]

Godwin's Law....The longer an argument drags on, the likelier someone will stoop to a Hitler or Nazi analogy. When you don't have a winning argument you stoop to name calling which just makes the other side more determined.
I just made a large donation to several anti-Homo marrage organizations.....I will do it again next month, and the month after. As long as the Homo culture acts this way I will continue donating mone against them.

[FrankM]

Funny, JonB. If you knew your civics and actually read what the Yes-On-8 folks were doing, it's not targeting because of a personal belief; it's targeting because an elected official -- said another way, an employee of the voters -- is not doing his or her job. As the employer of these judges, the voters have the right to 'fire' them if they are not performing a satisfactory job.

If the judges decide to write the law for themselves instead of adhering to the will of their employers, they should be recalled - and I hope they are.

[jordy]

Judging by what I read in the comments and this whole ''gay insurgency''....I'd say it's about time for a major calamity in California. Edgar Cayce has predicted
that around 2010 most of California would slowly sink into the sea after a
series of devastating earthquakes and landslides.... the sooner the better........

[Zach]

Hey FrankM, maybe YOU should read the Judiciary's job description. You'll not find "adhering to the will of their employers" (the people) in it. You WILL find the task of impartially interpretting law, though, and that can't be done when one's misguided "employer" is threatening to "fire" them if they don't vote the "right" way.

Allyn's color analogy needs some tweaking. A civil contract (in this case marriage) at its most basic is an agreement between two people; let's give it the most basic color red. Then we'll add a little extra color as we mix in the extra detail of those peoples' sex, white for opposite- and blue for same-sex. So, we now have pink and purple (pardon the feminine shades, but I'm trying to work with the colors we as Americans all know and love) for opposite- and same-sex marriages. Now, Yes on 8 people want to tell us that red is pink because pink, being by far the most common, must be a primary color. They'll also tell us that purple must be blue, because being so new it must have nothing to do with red (which can only be pink).

I think I'll stick with red being red, and if Yes on 8 people want to insist on adding additional details for something to be a "marriage," they're better put up another proposition for plain old red to be called something else.

[Duy]

Prop 8 was a measure that was voted for and passed by majority. That is the basis of our government and it is how EVERYTHING else has been passed or defeated.

Yes there may be close votes and passions can rage up on each side, but in the end we HAVE to believe on the democratic voting system and HAVE to abide by the results.

I am no a Californian and the vote wouldn't have affected me at all. However, I KNOW for a fact that had the situation be reversed the "winners" would be saying the Exact same paragraph above.

[Steve]

If the philosopher king judges overrule the people again they must be recalled. Yes on 8 people, stand up! Be heard! Save traditional marriage. Save our society. Save our kids.

[busytimmy]

Really, gay marriage is a threat to civilization? Have you checked your IRA lately? the value of your house? investment portfolio? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are guaranteed to all, not just those you agree with. Christians need to stop trying to make others live by their Bible and spend more time reading it themselves. See: compassion, love, non judgment, do unto others, love thy neighbor, do not bear false witness, Jesus etc.

[Cal]

I would gladly invest my time, energy and cash supporting those judges for doing the right thing and protecting individual liberties from mob-rule...so bring it on kids!

Meanwhile, see ya in court!

[Marc]

Where do they dig these neandrathal straight people up. MOST of the guests at my gay wedding were straight. Ditto for my celebration dinner. Both our straight families support us. I have congratulation cards from straights, gays, blacks, native Americans, Catholics, Protestants, and even a few from Mormon family friends. So yeah I was surprised by the passage of Prop 8. Apparantly there are lot more ignorant folks out there than I thougt, but please stop insulting straight America by claiming that everyone thinks in your bigotted fashion.

[Paul]

Romans 1:24-32 24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, £sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, £unforgiving, unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

[Raised Right]

What the heck do the gays think legalizing marriage is going to do, make sin okay in the presence of a HOLY God? LOL...Just because antichrist judges and antichrist liberals make it 'legal' it doesn't mean that God is going to lower his standards of holiness and give you a get out of hell free pass while your in love with and rolling in the mire of your sin...Get real...

Making sin legal including homosexuality and abortion doesn't mean squat to God any more than it did when the pharisees were making laws that undercut God's commands...Our consciences will be either a thousand wittnesses against us or for us and it will not lie to God for us so you will not be able to say that you believed the homosexual lifestyle was okay because you were married...He will never recongize your marriages even if you manage to dumb down and demoralize enough people to support it....satan is your god and the god of this sin fallen world, the prince of the air who works in the sons of disobedience... and anyone who 'pratices' sin is a slave to it...

I believe you just want to desecrate marriage because it is Holy and you are not, nor do you want to be...you can't stand anything beautiful, must conquer and destroy everything of virtue...

[Saved]

To Jason: No one was 'targeted' here except those that believe in 'normal' biological human sexual relations. The curent state of affairs you see today rests squarely on the shoulders of the HOMOSEXUAL movement. Any perceived 'targeting' is based on the FACT that Yes on 8 folks are having to defend ALL our liberties against an out of control judiciary. It is this more important fact, that activist judges are acting illegally, that should cause you to forget your temporary whining and join with ALL people that support the rule of law. But, because you are all too greedy and self centered and convinced (Falsely) that Hetero's hate you, you allow your own government to become destructice of all our rights and watch the downfall of our once great nation.

God (Yeshua) is coming. You cannot and will not escape his judgement. Stop taking out YOUR hate and anger at God, on his people. It will only come back to slap you in the face.

[Shane]

The people of the State of California has spoken on this issue. The only ones crying about it are the ones that don't agree with the outcome, but that doesn't change the fact that the issue was debated, argued, and voted on. The judges don't like this ruling because it limits how they can rule on issues that they personally believe in instead of looking at thousands of years of history concerning marriage.

Finally, there is NOTHING that says the government has to endorse every single lifestyle we choose to live. Legal agreements between two parties have always been available. If you want to allow your partner to have half of what you own, put it in an legally binding agreement. If you want to will your property to them, put them in your will. If you want them to have an equal say in your financial life, give them a limited power of attorney. The issue here isn't equal rights at all. The issue here is to tell the Christians in an in-your-face way that you're wrong and we're right. But that still doesn't change the fact that each of us will still have to answer for our actions after we leave this earth. And, please remember, that the only reason we're able to practice our own personal choices when it comes to lifestyle is because of the basic Christian principles this country was founded on in the first place. So, those who would like to get in a Chrisitan's face to tell him or her that he or she is wrong, is also at risk of forfitting their rights to the lifestyle they live should we ever stop becoming a Chrisitan-based nation.

[David]

Can any of you Christians, who apparently love to pray loudly on street corners (as the Bible says), say what "rights" No on 8 people are trying to take? For as much as you rend your garments, what do you actually lose when GOVERNMENT marriage is for everyone? Have you even read the New Testament to know that a guy named Jesus not only said to treat everyone as you'd be treated, but to not concern yourself with things of this world because His kingdom is not?

Or are you just the kind of Christian who's only interested in finding "devils" to fight?

[WM COOPER]

We need to give LA and SF their own 2 states - and split the rest of California up into 4 smaller states.

That's the only solution.

[Steve]

Yes on 8 was a victory for American tradition, the founding father's, and our economy. Every other country that recognizes homosexual marriage has seen a decrease in traditional marriage. This leads to fewer children and more fatherless children, which in turn harms the economy. Every facet of our country is better off having victory on prop 8.

[theos-born]

J S K said it right! Who cares what the perverts say-stop them, oppose them, use the exact same tactics they use. If you don't they will destroy you and yours!!!

[VAAD]

You people kill me. You say a majority does not have the right to take away the civil rights of others. WHAT MAJORITY??? Look at the stats. It was the NUMBER OF VOTERS..not the number of people who are eligible to vote. Taking that into consideration..it was a Minority of people who decided EVERYTHING. and always is. Because of apathy among Americans. Nancy Vega..you should take the History class or something...because it has always been this way. Because Americans are just too lazy to care about voting and if things don't go their way..THEN they go out and start trouble.

On the other side...this country was founded on the rights of the Majority. It was a Majority vote that brought about the Constitution of the United States. AND it was the Civil war that brought about the biggest protest against it..boil it down that is what it all was. It was not about slavery as people think. It was about RICH people wanting THEIR states to be run THEIR way and not have to adhere to the rest of the U.S. Again, it was a Minority that won out. Abraham Lincoln MADE slavery an issue of the war, but that is not how it started out or what it was all about.

On that note, if the Majority of the people want something voted on..they should get out and vote. AND if the the Majority of the voters vote the way they want their Government to run, then why cater to the minority, THEY should be the ones to change or move on. Which is what people did when the Constitution was put in place. AND if you all would shut up and take a look, it was not the MAJORITY of Christians that voted on Prop 8, IT WAS THE BLACK VOTE THAT DEFEATED IT. 97% of the Black vote. I don't see you going after them...harassing them, killing them, wanting to burn their houses down..OH wait, you are bullies and know they will kill you for doing that. They will fight back physically for doing that. They will stab you, riot against you...yeah..go threaten them, I dare you. Lets see how you fare against making threats against them. AND I bet most of them are Christians. So you get a double chance to express your bigotry.

SO go ahead and pick on the Christians who will not shoot you or stab you or kill you...unless you find me..then just duck..I believe in my RIGHT for self Defense. It is just fine for you to go out and protest, but let someone against you do it and you are violent. what a bunch of jokers. Knock a cross out of my hand and you will get it up your arse...oh you might like that too much..never mind.

AND before you say, that is not a "Christian" attitude, let me inform you, Scripture says to forgive 3 times if they do not repent, but forgive 70 times 7 if they do repent. I fogave Hetro-haters more than that in my life...and I don't see any repentance for knocking the old lady down, for threatening my Church or threatening my friend's life for their belief. A law prohibiting same sex marriage is not a threat against anyone's life, home or church. It doesn't kill anyone. IT doesn't destroy a persons property. It doesn't change a thing that you did or didn't have before. But that is what is being done.

So I am going to start going to some of these street sessions of where Christians meet to pray for you. Nothing wrong with that. You can try to pray for their love to understand you more, not that God will hear you because according to his word you need to be righteous to be heard. AND IF I am there and attacked, expect Righteous Retribution. This is one Christian who knows that God can be angry and this is one Christian who thinks ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Be ye not of the world but in the world. Means, do not partake of the sins of the world, but be involved..about time Christians started learning this. Do I hate Gays..no..I have many friends that are that persuasion. DO I think they should have the same as a married couple, no..since I believe that marriage according to the Christians principles this country was based on say differently...but they should be allowed their own ways.

AND before anyone goes off, Yes ,this country was based on Bible Principles. Take the Ten Commandments out of the law and see what you get...NO Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal etc.

AND for those who think that President Elect BO will change things..he was raised Islamic for part of his life and they hate homosexuality, and since he is saying he is Christian, he won't much like you that way either. Think about that.

BUT if the vote had gone the other way, then we would have our rights to vote again to pass a similar bill..lol But I don't think Christians would threaten to burn your gay bars, threaten to kill gays or print lists of gays to "I am not responsible for anyone being firebombed..but here is a list of gays' type of posting. Shows the quality of people on both sides...Christians through Legal means and working smarter...Gays through violence and hate.

Now let the hate posting begin...lol

VAAD
Here yesterday, today and Tomorrow

[Joe Ironsides]

Nancy Vega: when you say "The people do have a right to vote. They don’t have the right to take away a minority groups rights. Last time I checked in the State & Federal Constitution, it was wrong to discriminate against a group of people."

Don't leave out polygamists, polyandryst's (10 wives, 3 husbands), and bestialists (1 woman and a very sentient chimpanzee)

Gay marriage is the camel's nose under the tent that the Pro8 crowd is wisely tasering as hard as it can and still being at least moderately "compassionate".

[Joe Ironsides]

Nancy Vega: when you say "The people do have a right to vote. They don’t have the right to take away a minority groups rights. Last time I checked in the State & Federal Constitution, it was wrong to discriminate against a group of people."

Don't leave out polygamists, polyandryst's (10 wives, 3 husbands), and bestialists (1 woman and a very sentient chimpanzee)

Gay marriage is the camel's nose under the tent that the Pro8 crowd is wisely tasering as hard as it can and still being at least moderately "compassionate".

[To David]

To David: You state:

"Have you even read the New Testament to know that a guy named Jesus not only said to treat everyone as you'd be treated, but to not concern yourself with things of this world because His kingdom is not?"

1. In HIS Kingdom there will be NO sin.
2. Jesus REBUKED (if you can fathom that word's meaning outside of judgement) sinners to change their ways and 'go and sin no more'. So, It is very fair and very righteous to rebuke the sinner that is purposefully reveling in their sin.
3. If no aceptance of Christ as savior then impossible to see heaven. AND, even if you believe, yet still purposefully sin against nature and God, expecting forgiveness, are equally damned and will NOT see the kingdom.

[Aiden]

This is NOT a civil rights issue nor is it on par with the civil rights movement of the 60's. Gays have all of the rights of married people; its now an issue of mainstreaming their deviant behavior. Before some of you jump all over me for calling it deviant behavior, the primary purpose of any species is to propagate the species. Homosexually deviates from that primary purpose and is therefore deviant behavior. I support the rights conferred upon gays under domestic partnerships but marriage is rightfully defined as being between one man and one woman.

[Dingo]

First it was Prop 187 ....overturned by activist judges in black robes in Sacramento....

That slap on the right cheek was followed by another slap on the left cheek earlier this year.... the same lame court justices over turned a ban on gay marriage which voters unanimously passed in 2006.

Now we face the same 4 black robes... and once again, the question looms...."are millions of majority voters going to be disenfranchised again?"

Its almost as if the court thinks that voters; the people and citizens of all nationalities of this state, dont have a clue as to what is the best for their own communities!

Only Big Brother knows what is best for you! You're too ignorant and small minded to have a clue about what will make your communities better.

What elitists these judges are! We will impeach them if they overstep their boundaries again!

[Andy Eppink]

Wait till the lying and maneuvering of the CA supreme libs rears its ugly head in their reimposition of 'gay' marriage.
I'm surprised Atty Gen'l Moonbeam's not overtly flying his true colors in attempting to overturn 8.
What a mess. 'Judges' run the place.

[jim]

The people of California have spoken - AGAIN! What good is the justice system if they keep overturning the will of the people? Oh, it is a civil rights thing? Well, yes, we do live in a free country and even homosexuality is permissible in today's society, but just because a person chooses for whatever reason(environmental factors and maybe even some biological factors included) it doesn't mean that society has to close it's eyes and ignore all the problems and dangers of the homosexual lifestyle. It doesn't mean that homosexuals have the right to redefine marriage for society. That is not a civil right.
Marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Heterosexual marriages are not perfect. Adultery is every bit as wrong as homosexuality, but God defined the family as a man and a woman for a very good reason. It is to protect us and to provide blessings for us. Children need a loving father and a loving mother! I don't think this idea even needs to be defended. It is obvious. And to deny them of either one or the other is wrong and even selfish. God's laws are not intended to discriminate, but to show us how to be happy. Sometimes parents have to be strict because it is the best thing for their children. The kids might get angry and not be able to understand that their parents rules or decisions are given out of love. Even though the kids don't like it, specifically because the parents love the kids, they have to say no sometimes. I think this applies in this issue. God's commands originate out of His love and care for us.

Choosing yourself to live this lifestyle is one thing, but wanting to indoctrinate the culture is totally different. Be thankful that it is not illegal to live a homosexual lifestyle. Does anyone think it is really fair to charge people with hate speech if they dare to voice their opinion that homosexuality is sin?(I guess it depends on how this opinion is voiced. To go around publicly trying to degrading homosexuals in a militant way or without love for them is not the Christian way, but even peaceful people are called homophobic if they dare to disagree.) Does anyone really think it is fair to allow only pro-homosexual indoctrination in the schools without presenting the other side of the issue? Does anyone really think that charging any and everyone who disagrees with the homosexual lobby as "haters of homosexuals" is really accurate or fair? I don't and I am worried about the negative influence this will have on many people if we allow brainwashing in the public schools and society in general. Don't forget that those who disagree with homosexuality also have rights. We live in the same society so we have to recognize each other's views and respect each other's freedom to have those views, but it doesn't mean that we have to redefine marriage and so damage one of the most foundational institutions of our society.

[Ruby]

What's the matter with fewer children? The world is overpopulated as it is. Has NOBODY ever thought that homosexuality might be nature's way of controlling the population? Look at bee colonies; only the queen bee can reproduce, the other female bees are all workers! Hello! Not everyone should have children; it should be obvious that some people shouldn't be passing on their genes.

[bubba]

The last time radical homosexuals controlled the destiny of a country was when the Brown Shirts were in power supporting Hitler. We all know where that took the world. Time to learn the lessons of history befor it is once again too late. You would have thought that the AIDS epidemic and who is mostly afflicted by it would be enough to convince anyone, but some people refuse to learn the lessons that history tries to teach us.

[Captain America]

We have a right to preserve our country and our future. Our enemies cannot invade us or scare us with terrorism. They have to destroy us from the inside. They want us to have more abortions, use more birth control and have more same-sex marriages. Then teach the same to our children, and repeat with their children. At some point there will not be enough children to replace the old and dying. America will become just another chapter in history books.

[Steven Todd Kaster]

I would support a recall of the California Supreme Court Justices if they nullify Prop 8.

[wadey]

It seems those threatening to remove judges who might overturn Prop 8 are forgetting one simple fact - Prop 8 only passed by 4%. If even 2% ov voters had voted "no" this initiative would not have passed, the May decision of the court would stand, protests would have been sizeably smaller throughout the state, and gay couples would not have been stripped of their rights, protections, benefits and responsibilities - not to mention their dignity.

Unfortunately, while the judges must do their job by interpreting the constitution using sound rationale and the law, the voting public are subject to whoever can raise the most money in order to tell the most lies. Gray Davis was recalled on the sole basis of the economy and an $8 billion budget defecit, a deficit that - in his absence - has almost tripled under the current Governor. Davis must feel vindicated.

Perhaps if the extortion tactics against the judges fail, the "yes on 8" folks should follow through with their threat - though it will again require putting aside honesty and integrity in order to mislead the blindly ignorant electorate. This time, they could use superimposed photos of the justices holding a sharp knife to a little girls neck - OR BETTER - they could show something even more frightening - the justices sitting with the same little girl and reading aloud the 14th Amendment. Chilling.

[Dan Dormann]

The question whether the elimination of the constitutional right to equality can be achieved by means of the initiative process or the revision process is of vital importance to any democratic society. Simple majorities change and constitutions are designed to protect themselves from changing day-to day majorities. The founders- the people of California- set out strict rules for revisions of the constitution. A measure requires a super-majority in the legislative. Prop 8 failed to follow the rules prescribed under the Constitution. If the elimination of the right to equality is not a revision nothing is. The Supreme Court of California is one of the most respected state Supreme Courts in the United States. It's not activist, indeed, most of the justices were appointed by Republicans.
This case is the most important case in the history of California. It is no longer about gay rights it's about all our fundamental rights. If we eliminate the right to equality for same-sex couples, who is next? Prop 8 sets a dangerous precedent. I agree with the Governor that the Court will throw this out and restore California's leadership on fundamental rights in the nation and worldwide.
In 50 years most people will wonder what the fuss is all about. More than 60% of young voters voted against Prop 8. California took took the lead to overcome bans on interracial marriage. The Court is on the right side of history again and common sense and justice demand that we defend our fundamental rights and our state Supreme Court.

[Dan Dormann]

John K is right
The threat of a recall is an empty one. Since Governor Schwarzenegger supports the majority opinion of the California Sup Ct, he would likely appoint similar judges (or more liberal ones).
The next Governor is likely to be a Democrat so the next court will definitely be more liberal. Any attempt to recall the 4 Justices of the majority in Re: Marriage Cases might backfire. Instead of a conservative court, the proponents of a recall might get a liberal one.
The truth is that the California Supreme Ct is the most respected (and most cited) state Supreme Ct in the country. It's not the job of the justices to rubber-stamp anything that is popular at any given moment. The Supreme Court has a crucial role in our constitutional system. Thanks to the separation of powers, the Supreme Ct is an independent arbiter of the state constitution. Since Prop 8 strikes the state constitution at its heart, the principle of equality before the law and the separation of powers, the court has to protect the Constitution. Prop 8 is a revision and failed to follow the proper procedures prescribed by the Ca Constitution.

[Cal]

Go for it Pro 8 crowd...because I will happily spend my time and money supporting these judges who were willing to stand up against your hateful mob.

[Elisa Odabashian]

Civil rights in this country were never gained, nor are they likely to be gained, by popular vote.

[Laine]

Who are you to judge your Master's servant?
How dare individuals put my Constitutional rights up for a vote! If we
are not given equal status in this country, then our taxes should be
prorated to reflect this. We now look back at church justified racial
bans with eyebrows raised; this issue will be seen in much the same
way, given time. God will judge me on my earthly works, not men. Any
church leader throwing money into a political rat-race doesn't
understand that it is the Word that transforms hearts, not mere
political laws, vulnerable to being overturned. Trust the leadership
role of your Father and transform hearts with love, patience, and
sound Wisdom. Lobbying Christ into law is an inferior use of the Word
of God and will fail. Transformation requires cooperation. Do you have
that much faith in propositions? Do you have Faith? Is this a money
generator for you? Examine your motives, church leaders, and ask if
the teachings of Jesus will be fruitful in political realms. I
question the faith of any Church leader that wallows in politics in
order to plant spiritual seeds. It's futility. It's striving for the
wind and feeding on it. It's time to teach transformative Word, let
Wisdom prevail, and leave politics to the world. You'll honor the God
for whom you so often speak, changing hearts in a more permanent
fashion. People are being driven away from the message. Is that wise?
If Christ were to come back this instant, I'd rather be holding the
hand of a woman than a sign stating whom God hates.