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70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds

A lot of Obama/Yes-on-8 voters? The Associated Press exit polls show that African Americans and Latinos backed Proposition 8 in good numbers. Details here from AP:

California's black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for Barack Obama, also provided key support in favor of the state's same-sex marriage ban. Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for The Associated Press.

More than half of Latino voters supported Proposition 8, while whites were split. Religious groups led the tightly organized campaign for the measure, and religious voters were decisive in getting it passed. Of the seven in 10 voters who described themselves as Christian, two-thirds backed the initiative. Married voters and voters with children strongly supported Proposition 8. Unmarried voters were heavily opposed.

-- Shelby Grad

Photo: Los Angeles Times

 
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If 2 people of the same sex want to get married WHO CARES!! I don't see why it's anyone else's business. It would be like the majority declaring that Catholics can't go to church on Sunday's. Is that for me to decide: NO of course not. And neither is the decision to allow gay marriage. Actually,Prop 8 wasn't about allowing gay marriage, it was about Taking Away the ability to marry after the Supreme Court said it was OK. Despicable!!
It's so hypocritical to quote the Bible in this issue. The Bible states that man should not covet another man's wife and warns against money lending and usury.
"The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender" Why aren't people putting forward Propositions about Check Cashing places and imposing their Biblical views on adultery?? Because it's not really about the Bible, it's about Bigotry. And whatever happened to separation of Church and State??
In response to the African American vote, it does seem a little hypocritical when 70% of black kids are illegitimate. So much for the sanctity of marriage!!
An interesting article: http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_4_hispanic_family_values.html

A vote against prop 8 is not a vote against discrimination. It is just a vote to redefine who it is okay to discriminate against. No matter what marriage laws would still discriminate against siblings who were born with the inclination to marry each other. No matter what it would still be okay to discriminate against women born with the inclination to love and marry more than one man.

The truth is, our society has always found it appropriate to discriminate against people based on sexual inclinations because laws governing sexual inclinations are laws based on the prevailing moral standards of the day. People who vote against prop 8 are just trying to impose their morals on the majority of society.

The person above who said that no one from the No campaign knocked on his door got it right.

The Yes campaign was better organized, better funded, better motivated and better manned. The lesson for the gay community is that if you want to win you have to do the hard slog of door knocking, protesting, phoning, manning voting places and convincing the voters of the fairness and merits of your case. I don't want to criticize the efforts of the few organizers of the No campaign but the opposition was just better prepared.

The other point I'd make it is that it is okay to have the endorsements of fine people like Diane Feinstein but where were the prominent gay community members, some of whom are married - Rosie, Ellen, Elton where were you....come on down!

Bottom line - this time the Yes campaign wanted to win more.

Well I don't know about Gays being on the frontline with the civil rights movement. However, I do know that these statistics seem a little skewed. My sense is that most African Americans didn't vote either way because gay marriage isn't a topic most of us feel extremely strong about either way. I opposed it simply because I disagree with a constitutional amendment that takes away the rights of a minority group, any minority group. Also, I don't think that enough money was put into the No on 8 PR machine. Why didn't Ellen come out and say anything? Where was Rosie O'Donnell? Why weren't there more leaders of the gay community on my television talking about how unfair the proposition was? I don't think it's black folks you all have to blame I think it's the leadership in the gay community.

god doesn't exist, get over it.

Stop picking on African Americans who don't want their children to be indoctrinated into the state mind control delivered by the CTA. It was no surprise to me that the CTA donated $1 million dollars to defeat prop 8. I know first hand that liberal educators are ready to force feed the gay agenda to young children.

Our school is on the peninsula in the San Francisco bay area. A few years ago, my fifth grade son was forced to watch a movie about gay marriage in order to take his malleable mind and conform it to the state's agenda. The movie was just the beginning of a long program set to run each week so children would accept gay marriage and lifestyle as normal. I didn't hear about this movie viewing until a week later when my son mentioned it to me in passing. He told me he had fallen asleep during the movie and a teacher quickly came by and woke him up. She told him to pay attention to the movie and learn. When parents found out the movie had been shown to their children without their consent or knowledge, the principal was overwhelmed by calls and emails from irate parents. The principal had to curtail the program due to the outcry and promised he would offer a preview of it to parents the following year. But because there was no law at the time enforcing this type of program, the staff was not willing to allow it to be previewed and gave up on the idea for the following year.

Communists used these educational tactics very well. They feared the "harmful influence" of the family so to combat and rescue the child from traditional family values, they created a state run propaganda-filled education system to create good little Communists. The primary mission of the Soviet school was to remove children from the 'petty-bourgeois' family, where private family values and traditions undermined the cultivation of social instinct, and to inculcate in them the public values of the a Communist society.

Lemeritus writes,

@ Orin Ryssman

The collective wisdom of the voters once counted slaves as only 3/4 of a person and accepted "separate but equal" instead of equality. Think for a moment before invoking the law to justify discrimination.
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It would be good if posters, such as Lemeritus, first read the Constitution of the United States before attempting to opine about the law and discrimination. There is no 3/4 clause in the Constitution; there is however a 3/5th's Clause and it is found in Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution. I suggest you look it up.

Also check out this brief explanation of the 3/5th's Clause,
http://teachers.usd497.org/kgrinnel/apu2c5threefifthsgraphs.htm

Interesting that education played a factor as well. Those who had less of it were more likely to vote in favor of Prop 8.

I'm not sure people actually understood that they were voting to amend the state constitution.

Yesterday I had the right to marry my partner of eight years and today I don't. Civil unions are a step. But they do not include all of the rights and priviledges of marriage.

Today I am a second class citizen.

Tomorrow is another day and I will pull myself up by my bootstraps and continue to fight for all people to have equal rights and equal protection under the law. This time, with gloves off.

DJB
Los Angeles, California

I think a measure should be considered to ban Christian marriage. Christians are overpopulating the world, and they keep confusing the Bible and the Constitution. They are ignorant, they are always full of hatred, and they don't resemble in the slightest tiniest little bit the man they are supposed to be followers of.

The posts from the liberal left and religious right are equally nauseating. Both are pushing their personal agendas down our throats.

For the gay agenda promoters, isn't the Domestic Partnership Act good enough for you?

Some of you need to get over yourselves. Some still believe in the traditional definition of marriage; that it's between a man and a woman. The belief is not based in religion - it's a personal belief. That does not make those individuals wrong, ignorant, hateful, or bigoted. They just don't believe in your cause.

Any argument that says black civil rights and gay civil rights are different is simply an argument of an ignorant and unenlightened person. Isn't it ironic that MSBNC.com shows Barack and Michelle Obama hugging each other (a happily married bi-racial couple that wasn't always allowed to get married in certain jurisdictions)? Wow, what an intelligent electorate he has! Ignorance indeed.

Concerned Mom in SF:
Your ignorance is unenlightening.

From an Australian perspective, this is a very sad and shameful day for California and takes the gloss off the victory of Barack Obama.

Don't like gay marriages? Don't have one! But apparently that's not enough for some people. They have to go and impose their power over other people. If that's not bullying I don't know what is.

""When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always." - Mahatma Gandhi

Oh so very true...

This setback shall pass.

As for the comparison....gay ppl were never SLAVES...simple as that. End of the argument. If you knew your history you wouldn't be as so ignorant to try and compare the two.

last thought.... forget the sanctity of marraige... lets protect the sanctity of separation of church and state. point blank period

Ignorant bigotry is everywhere, but the irony of this one is amazing. And the media denial so they can congratulate themselves on the Obama win while ignoring what's happening around the country is amazing. Celebrate, but don't ignore what even some of Obama's own supporters are doing right now to oppress others.

As an Australian, I throught California had taken a giant leap in the right direction and provided a new benchmark for equality that the rest of the word could aspire to. Such a shame that prejudice, narrow minded bigots who have no understanding of what it actually means to be homosexual, yet again step in to increase divisions in the community, and to take us roaring back to the 1950's. Ironic days indeed.

So the gay community comes out overwhelmingly to support the African American candidate for president financially, with our votes, and with our time, and to thank us the AA community comes out to deny us the right to marry. Is that about right?

Although it is disappointing that African-Americans supported this proposition in high numbers it would be smarter to go after the groups who funded this. The Mormons have a long history of racial intolerance and dubious marriage practices. Don't forget it was a Mormon that strung up Matthew Shepherd on a fence post in Wyoming. If they are going to attack us it is time to expose their long history of racism and pologamy. I say put together a propistion to condemn the history and practices of their church. Expose their church for the bigotry it stands for.

As a black gay man, I'm really quite appalled at all the racism that's on this board. I think it further proves why Prop 8 passed. People against it aren't willing to educate themselves on issues of race and the history of discrimination and ignored those communities. And then to call bigotry on African Americans is in of itself bigoted and racist. Listen, racism and homophobia are both completely different and while it is discrimination on both counts, you CANNOT say that a black person's pain is the same as a gay person's. Last I checked, I can hide my sexuality. I'm judged first as a black man, not as a gay one.

And furthermore, maybe the gay community should look inside and realize how much racism there is inside the gay community. Work on that and get your fellow gays to stop saying "sorry, I'm not into black guys" or "I'm only into latin and white" or whatever it may be.

Incredible discussion taking place here. However, where is this supposed "deal" whereby the liberals with white guilt vote for Obama in exchange for the African-American vote to shoot down prop 8. Anybody who is over 25 years of age living in America should know social conservatism (read: religion) runs deep in the African-American, Latino & some Asian communities. These groups are most likely to stick to the traditional ways of life as directed by their faith. This country was founded on a freedom to exercise such faith. Why all the hostility towards African-Americans who are finally having the opportunity to have substance in their vote. After 43 presidents who have all been white males, they now get a chance to vote for somebody that has similar roots.

BTW, who are these people that constantly compare the gay movement to the civil rights movement of the 60's? Where are the gay only drinking fountains? Where are the gay only lunch counters? How many times were you pulled over by the fuzz for being gay? MLK had to live under his skin all day, every day. He couldn't blend into the general populous like Ellen (pre-fame) or Rosie (pre-fame). There is widespread acceptance of GLB in America like never before. I feel, for all the money the No on 8 movement took in, they should have done a better job picking up the additional 500,000 votes in California. Their ads were all the same: "if you vote YES on 8, you are a bigot!" Talk about undermining your own cause. It also didn't help Gavin Newsome to provide fodder for the YES on 8 drive.

The Judeo-Christian Bible and its various interpretations are not the State or Federal Constitution and cannot be used as a law book for an entire nation of people who represent a multitude of religions, including atheism.

It is only a matter of time before LGBT scapegoating will be viewed as reprehensible. Let us remember that young people voted against Prop. 8 by a wide margin. In the meantime, my wife and son and I will suffer from the prejudice that is legitimized by the passage of this proposition.

Equality for all.

@Jay

It seems my previous comment went over your head so let me be more clear. Gay people choose to be gay just as much as you choose your skin to be black. I don't need to be educated on the history of blacks in the country -- it's terrible and I'm well aware of it. I am tolerant of your views but I am not tolerant of removing rights from others. Just because you do not believe in gay marriage does not mean you need to force those beliefs upon others. You can live your life by your views and what makes you happy. Why can't others?

 
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