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70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds

A lot of Obama/Yes-on-8 voters? The Associated Press exit polls show that African Americans and Latinos backed Proposition 8 in good numbers. Details here from AP:

California's black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for Barack Obama, also provided key support in favor of the state's same-sex marriage ban. Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for The Associated Press.

More than half of Latino voters supported Proposition 8, while whites were split. Religious groups led the tightly organized campaign for the measure, and religious voters were decisive in getting it passed. Of the seven in 10 voters who described themselves as Christian, two-thirds backed the initiative. Married voters and voters with children strongly supported Proposition 8. Unmarried voters were heavily opposed.

-- Shelby Grad

Photo: Los Angeles Times

 
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I was outraged by them actually passing this prop. For the simple fact that they claim to be "protecting marriage"... who is to say that we are here to harm it?? Isnt marriage about love and committment?? So what is to think that a gay marriage would mean something different?? In the end this was people pushing their religious beliefs onto a entire state. Just like the article said, this proposition was backed by religious groups... but yet we are not supposed to be mixing religion and government. I even asked one of my coworkers what about gay marriage upsets him.. but he couldnt include God or any type of religious affiliations in his answer... and he said nothing! This was a ballot done with hatred and it just now shows that California is a state where discrimination is allowed, justified, and welcomed.

All the reasoning and justification does not change that fact that homosexuality is a sin.
In Genesis chapter 19; God destroyed Sodom and Comorrah because of homosexuality. God. This is so because in leviticus 20:13 it says "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. " Did you get that? It's an abomination, period.
Many places where it talks about this. Read Romans Chapter 1:22 " Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
When you insist on this, God says here, he will give you up to your lust. to do what you do.
On the other hand, being black is not a sin. You all equate what happened to the blacks and all other minorities; it's not the same.
This is why the christian community is against this. If you want to get married, call is a "union" or whatever name you wish; just don't call it marriage because that is restricted to man & woman. If you want to live your life as such do it, just don't get us involved with it. By asking for this you are trampling on our faith, which should be protected by the 1st ammendment,

First of all, read up on your history of oppression of homosexuals throughout the world and the ages ... we've had our body parts cut off, our careers ended, our houses burned, been ripped from our families, we've been jailed and tortured and killed ... oh, wait, sound familiar? It doesn't matter if it's a choice or not (and it is not) because really I don't give a crap about your bible ... it ain't my bible. America, California, is not supposed to be a theocracy ... separation of church and state ... we ask for nothing more than anybody else has, and demand nothing less. It isn't over. It will never be over until we have equal access UNDER THE LAW, not under your god, whatever that may be.

it's a shame like being back to the inquisition

I'm glad that the majority in California still fear God more than Man. Heaven help you when that changes.

How ironic it is that black people's bodies were enslaved to white men years ago and then liberated; only to find that their minds are enslaved to this thing called the bible.

Such a shame that such a fine race of people is terrified by something as harmless as homosexuality.

@Adam

Thanks Adam, for helping me to prove my point!

Yes, a gay/lesbian person can DECIDE if whether or not he/she will be a straight person starting today. However, a black male/female cannot DECIDE if he/she will be a white man or white woman starting today. Again, to be gay in America is a CHOICE and by right if they CHOOSE the gay lifestyle they can.

Again, their plight is not like African-Americans.

BTW, you also proved my point that you are a hypocrite for not being tolerant, to my views. Let us help educate you on the struggles of black people in America.

The below is a post from j2tharome:


"I'm not African-American, but how can you compare what Homosexuals are going through to what African-Americans went through (and to a certain extent, still going through).

-Homosexuals were never forced to come to an unknown land

-Homosexuals were never forced to do slave labor

-Homosexuals never experienced going to seperate bathrooms or other facilities

-Homosexuals were never waterhosed

-Homosexuals were never denied to vote

So spare me the, "how can African-Americans not understand what we're going through?" crap. I doubt MLK, Malcolm X and any other civil rights leader would've approved of this.

Posted by: j2tharome "


Thanks j2tharome for being aware of the struggles of African-Americans in this country.

WOW, I cannot believe that this loss is gonna be laid at the feet of the Blacks!!! If it wasn't for the title of this article, NOBODY would have ever known who was so called "responsible" for this passing or not. A lot of people voted yes because of the simple fact that they don't want this stuff taught to their children. That's the parents job to teach them whats right or whats wrong. If you asked Blacks what was more important, believe you me Gay Marriage would not even make the top ten.

I'm sorry but you can't blame this on the Blacks. The Latinos voted against it, so did whites also... Besides if the "NO on Prop 8" group was a little more truthful with what they were trying to get across, it might have passed. And for those who are ashamed to be Californians now, there is 49 other states, pick one and leave....

And, furthermore, if you are so attached to your religious morality, then let's just take the whole marriage issue out of the equation - MARRIAGE FOR NONE, CIVIL UNIONS FOR ALL regardless of gender, UNDER THE LAW.

This is the first major Obama betrayal of his constituency. He had a clear choice to come out strongly against anti-gay Prop. 8, but he chose to be weak on the issue. He said he was against Gay marraige but simply didn't like the language in the initiative -- Just another form of "Don't ask, don't tell." He chose his path not for the rights of the disenfranchised but for the promotion of his own power. He knew he would attract a voting bloc that would ban Gay marriage, yet he did nothing to support this issue of Civil Rights. Obama betrayed the Gay community that strongly supported him, and he did it in a very transparent and evil way.

ughhh.. and to clarify... barack obama is personally against gay marraige because of religious beliefs which he admits.. but he aslo has the intelligence to know that not everyone has his beliefs and to LEGISLATE based on a belief is wrong... that is why he is against prop 8.... and i wish people would stop trying to pass the buck and blame the black community for the passage of prop 8 because half of the white community and more than half of the hispanic community voted for it... this lets me know that this is something that supercedes race... its a societal ill to believe homosexuality is evil....

"Of the seven in 10 voters who described themselves as Christian, two-thirds backed the initiative."

Do Christians really believe homosexuality is wrong because their invisible friend "god" tells them so? Go ahead and practice your make believe as long as you don't force your delusions on the rest of us.

Right, and if black people would just "choose" not to be black, their lives could be so much improved.

Do you people ever READ what you POST?

1) Lessons from the past: Divolving to a Hitler analogy is absurd. It is proof you don't have a legitimate counter-argument.
2) Religious education lesson: consumption of shrimp, or pork or anything else stated as non-kosher (treif) is violation of the mitzvot (commandments) and if memory serves, Jews recognize 613 of them. And the Orthodox Jews I know condemn homosexuality, they also condemn eating treif foods, or anything else that the mizvot prohibit, which is why I know never to invite them over on the Jewish Sabbath and make sure to provide meals that do not combine meat and milk or use pork or any of the other kashrut rules. So yes, the tanakh (Jewish word for old testament) states that shrimp and other foods are prohibited, and if you're wondering why Christians don't follow those same rules, Christ released us from many of the Jewish mitzvot, those that he did not still bind. So whilst Christians no longer need to keep kosher, we still need to abide by those things in the Old Covenant that weren't superceded with the New Covanent (which He was sent to Earth to deliver).

The real problem is that the gay community has commingled two separate issues and the one is damning the other. The first issue is about the rights of gays who have vowed to a life long committed relationship, and the second is about calling that relationship a marriage. The gay community would get a lot more support on the first issue if they would not insist on the second. You simply cannot co-opt a word that has a specific and longstanding meaning to those to whom it is applied, and to whom sexuality is a core element of that meaning. You may wish to claim equivalence - but you can't because the meaning is created by those to whom it is applied, and those people feel heterosexuality is at the heart of the meaning. So, the gay community has co-mingled a claim to rights with a cultural attack. On Prop 8 you may be getting strong responses from Blacks and Latinos and those who are married because they may feel the cultural attack more acutely and have a stronger desire to defend their cultural beliefs. So just drop the attack, work to get the specific rights that are denied, and respect the cultural semantics of others.

"This is equivalent to voting in the first Gay American President while at the same time mandating that a black person cannot marry a white person. Sad day in CA for civil rights."
Right on JM...my thoughts exactly. Although a gay Democrat I will certainly not be at the fore front any more fighting against discrimination against African-Americans or Latinos.
I propose the gay community begin a drive for a constitutional amendment that either oultaws divorce or that gives the "benfits' of marriage only to one's First marriage and civil union status for those after that.
Anyone interested?

Im not sure why people think it is fine to run a secular government based on what the bible says. Isnt that akin to forming laws based on the Koran? Would you be okay with our government doing that?
We have a lot of growing up to do as a culture. I feel for my gay friends who give so much to our community and strive for the same rights as everyone else. They are denied the same kind of status because adults do not know how to talk to their kids about how the world really is.

By 1940, a majority (31 out of 48) of states had banned interracial marriage (or "miscegenation") in some form.

"The issue was settled once and for all in 1967. In the case of Loving v. Virginia the United States Supreme Court ruled that all bans on interracial marriage were unconstitutional...

this was not so long ago... why do we forget?

Marriage is about family. A man and woman by the nature of their gender can produce a child by having sex. The child is then raised by his mother and father who each have unique traits to offer the child in their development. Every child has a right to have a relationship with their mother and father.

As a straight, white, married, baptized male, I see this as a shameful betrayal by people who should know better, who should have learned empathy from their struggles for equal rights, struggles fought with the considerable help of people from all walks of life.

What if I said that this vote by blacks and Latinos - which goes against everything Jesus preached - shows they're not worthy of the privilege of voting? After all, they claim their vote against gay marriage is bible-based. Well, do they honestly think Jesus would have voted for Prop 8? They voted against Jesus! They deserve to be discriminated against!

To those blacks and Latinos who say the struggle of gays for equal rights is nothing like their own, I say think again. You were discriminated against to the point of murder because of the color of your skin - which you were born with, had no control over. Gays are discriminated against to the point of murder because of their sexual orientation - which they are born with, have no control over. It's that simple and that basic.

The black and Latinos who voted for Prop 8 showed themselves to be as hypocritical as the rest of the so-called Christians, whose primary commandment is "Love thy neighbor as thyself." That plainly means, "Grant your fellow humans the same rights you want granted to yourself." That commandment is the one you have violated by this vote. Do you imagine Jesus would condone this violation of his primary commandment, the foundation of true Christianity?

Look at yourselves in the mirror, for there you will see what Jesus would call a hypocrite.

When did it become an unalienable right to be married? Can a single person who wants to get married but can't get dates demand that the courts force someone to marry that person to avoid violating the right to be married? What about incestuous fathers? Beastial people marrying pets? Society must decide what the limits are. Participating in this process does not make you a bigot. I contributed to, campaigned for, and voted for Prop 8 and I AM PROUD OF IT!!!

I am not now, nor will I ever, equate the civil rights movement of African Americans in this country to the gay and lesbian civil rights movement. It would be ludicrous to do so. We’ve never been enslaved. We’ve never been considered “property.” We’ve never been denied the vote or forced to pay a “poll tax.” We’ve never been told that we need to sit at the back of the bus, that we need to drink from a separate water fountain, attend a different school, or live in a different neighborhood. We’ve never been held back en masse in a classist society because of who we are.

But I will venture out on a limb to say this: the only reason these things did not happen to us is because we can – and have, for centuries – hide who we are. If all gays and lesbians were, say, born with pink triangle birthmarks on our foreheads, or with various shades of blue skin tone, how confident would any American be in saying that the same thing would not have happened to us?

When we stopped hiding who we are in the last century, we became the object of the very same prejudice and discrimination that afflicts any other minority in this country. We were being beaten and killed. We were being discriminated against in our workplaces and our residences. And of course, we are discriminated against because we cannot enter into legal relationships with the people we love.

Ten years ago, a black man in Texas was murdered by being dragged from a truck simply because he was black. Ten years ago, a boy in Wyoming was pistol-whipped and tied to a rural, remote fencepost, left to die, simply because he was gay.

Is there a difference?

I can no more be responsible for my biology than can someone with a different skin color than my own. I am no more responsible for my white skin, my green eyes, or my female gender than I can for my body’s biology to be attracted to women.

And for those heterosexuals who would say to me, “yes, but you can choose to be heterosexual,” I will say just this: just because I am physically capable of having sex with a man does not mean that my body and my brain chemistry are not biologically wired up to be attracted to women. I put to you this challenge: can you, as a heterosexual person, wake up one morning and “choose” to be homosexual? Does even the concept of that feel just as natural and “right” to you as being heterosexual?

If the very idea of that challenge causes within you great discomfort, then you now know what it feels like for a homosexual when someone tells her that she can just “choose” to be straight.

And so, because my biology is different than the majority of the population in California, Arizona and Florida, I can never marry the person I am in love with. And because my biological difference isn’t a matter of my skin color, it isn’t discrimination, it’s an abomination.

Sigh. Bittersweet, indeed.

The outrage from this prop is unbelievable.
and the fact that the African Americans voted againts it is PURE HYPOCRISY!
LETS MAKE MARRIAGE ILLEGAL, AND HOW ABOUT HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE MANY CHILDREN FROM DIFFERENT DAD'S..... HOW'S THAT FOR RESTORING MARRIAGE?
YOU HYPOCRITES? IS IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS DONT VALLUE WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS WENT THRU THAT YOU HAVE TO NOW DISCRIMINATE?
OBABMA IS PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WAS RAISED BY WHITE PEOPLE IN A GOOD NEIGHBOURHOOD. ITS SIMPLE SOCIALISM

DON'T argue till you know the facts.
BELIEVING what you want is NOT DISCRIMINATION.
HOMOSEXUALITY is a CHOICE, NOT A RIGHT! (has ALWAYS been that way...it is in NO way, shape, or form, the same as civil rights....please learn the definition of things before you argue in ignorance.

Don't fight in the name of tolerance, if you were for taking TOLERANCEaway. If NO on Prop 8 had passed, you'd be taking away the right to believe what you want (keep in mind....PERSONAL BELIEF is a RIGHT....)

DON'T let the government define morality and truth and fact.....even if you're not religious, the DEFINITION of marriage is still between a man and a woman...has always been...should always be....if that were not the case, you may or may not even be here....homosexuals canNOT reproduce.

So, before you argue and complain....really look at the issue:
YES on 8 = sanctity of marriage is protected (and to those who say then try and outlaw divorce....that also is a CHOICE....so it can't be made law) and homosexuals STILL have the rights to be joined and live happily together (no matter what anyone believes)
NO on 8 = gay marriage (the fact that you even have to put "gay" before the word "marriage" shows that you're altering an original idea), and those that don't believe in it are now being TOLD what is morally acceptable by their government....that is 100% straight out INTOLERANT.....

Look at it from BOTH sides before you argue.

BTW, Marriage is NOT ONLY about love and commitment...it is in the relationship b/n a man and a woman.

Don't call out YES supporters as bigots and haters....when you're the ones hating on US. YES supporters do NOT hate homosexuals.

Get it straight and don't contradict yourself. End of story. Think logically and be accepting and loving, but DO NOT EVER outlaw morality or freedom to believe.

unless you believe that being gay is a choice and use the bible to decide the law, proposition 8 has absolutely no basis for argument.

I would LOVE if someone could come on here and actually provide an intelligent discussion about why gay marriage is wrong, without bringing in these 2 things.

(also, avoid the slippery-slope angle if you can, that was looked down upon in my 7th grade debate class.)

To me, its seems as simple as looking at societies where gay marriage is legal.. has god smote them down? Are 3 year old children watching gay porn? have straight couples divorce rates gone [even] higher? srsly folks. it's YOU people that need to grow up.

 
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