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70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds

A lot of Obama/Yes-on-8 voters? The Associated Press exit polls show that African Americans and Latinos backed Proposition 8 in good numbers. Details here from AP:

California's black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for Barack Obama, also provided key support in favor of the state's same-sex marriage ban. Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for The Associated Press.

More than half of Latino voters supported Proposition 8, while whites were split. Religious groups led the tightly organized campaign for the measure, and religious voters were decisive in getting it passed. Of the seven in 10 voters who described themselves as Christian, two-thirds backed the initiative. Married voters and voters with children strongly supported Proposition 8. Unmarried voters were heavily opposed.

-- Shelby Grad

Photo: Los Angeles Times

 
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@Deborah

"Because I voted to preserve the traditional definition of marriage I am a bigot?"

Hate to break it to you, but since you voted to take away rights from people, yes that does make you a bigot.

"But I also will fight to the death for the rights of my family and my religious freedoms."

And how exactly would Prop 8 not passing have imposed on the rights of your family and religious freedoms? You would still be able to go out and marry a man. Absolutely nothing would've changed.

Hey there bible loving Christians! If you are going to take the word of the bible as social true instead of faith, how about Levidiccus 20: " 'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." Yeah....Since we don't do that we should have the government step in and behead about 1/4 of the american population! Or what about: 19 " 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material." (this means no poly cotten blends)

Even though you use the words of the bible to spread personal hate, I know that time and love will prevail. Love of another human is never a sin and no one knows this better then God and I beileve he would be glad to have more compassion in this world

I'm Mexican and gay and married my husband in June. Our marriage may now be invalidated because of people's prejudice. Racism is different than homophobia which is different than sexism, etc. But one end result is the same: inequality. It's wrong. And eventually, we'll gain our full civil rights.

I don't appreciate you folks slamming black people on this board.

As a Christian African-American, I am ESTATIC that Prop 8 pass!

What gets me, is how gay/lesiban individuals always said their plight was like the black people in America, which is pure BS! The late great Reggie White said it best, "homosexuality is a decision, not a race". Thanks Reggie, may you rest in peace.

Being gay, a bi sexual-gay or a lesbian is a lifestyle CHOICE. Being black is NOT a choice. Do not give me that BS that gay's are born that way. A gay person can make a choice if whether or not they will be gay today or straight tomorrow.

A BLACK person cannot make the choice to be black today and white tomorrow. Being gay is a CHOICE...period. Being black is not a choice. It's not the same plight.

You folks obviously have no idea how much blacks have struggled for over 400 years. Gay's may have their struggles in today's society (about 40 years since they made the CHOICE to come out) but it's no where near the struggles of the black race in America.

People have the right to vote which ever way they want. For folks like you, who promote tolerance, you people need to be tolerant of votes of others. If not, you are a hypocrite.

The argument has been made, and it has now been roundly refuted: Black Americans understand what discrimination means, and an Amendment to the State of California Constitution reaffirming that marriage is the union of one man and one woman is not discrimination; rather it is making clear what was once assumed to be known. The purposes of marriage are many, but one purpose is clear: it is about children. For the State to adopt as official policy and with the force of law express an agnosticism about this social institution is dangerous.

It is unfortunate that it had to come to this, but if that is what it takes then so be it. The collective wisdom of the voters, who btw elected Barack Obama by an overwhelming margin, have spoken. Now it is up to gays, lesbians and their political supporters to show some maturity and accept this verdict.

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Being gay is not a choice. Being ignorant is.

I am not surprised that African-American voters recoiled at the suggestion that "gay marriage" is a basic civil right. And they are correct to bristle at the way the gay movement has tried to make an analogy between the enslavement, brutal supression and segregation of black America with the homosexual community's quest to redefine marriage for the rest of society. African Americans have been brutalized for centuries solely because of the color of their skin, not because of any CHOICES they have made with regard to their lifestyle or what kinds of sexual relationships will define their lives. To live a homosexual lifestyle and to engage in homosexual sex are decisions and choice we make (though are inclinations are not), and no one in this election has tried to take away the rights of gays to make those choices and decisions, or to live openly gay lives and enjoy many protections. Californians have said (once again) that gays do not have the "right" to redefine marriage. To allow gays to marry is not to fulfill their "rights", it is to redefine what marriage and the family are. African Americans can see these differences quite clearly,and they had the clarity and the courage to vote yes on proposition 8. To call them bigoted for doing so is not only disgusting, but is to make a basic category error. No one is a bigot for standing up to protect marriage and families. Shame on the other side for resorting to name calling instead of discussing the issue on their merits!!

There is no difference between the social inequities and injustices suffered by marginalized groups of people. Prejudice based on race, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, etc is wrong. As gay latino male I'm disappointed and hurt by the way minorities voted in favor of Prop 8 - especially Latinos and Blacks.

My mother came to this country as an illiterate immigrant, while my father, who is also of Mexican descent and illiterate, was born in this country. Both suffered in this country because of their inability to read and write, and because of the color of their skin during the 50's and 60's in Texas. My mother also dealt with prejudice from Mexican-Americans because she was born in Mexico.

Despite their background, lack of formal education and the injustices they suffered, both of my parents who were devout Catholics, were far more progressive than California minorities who use the church pulpit to continue hate, intolerance and discrimination against the GLBT community.

As I told a friend of mine who was struggling with this issue because of her Catholic upbringing, I don't care to marry in your church or any other religious institution. I simply want to have the right to have a civil marriage. This is a basic human right that should not be voted on. That in and of itself is ludicrous.

I was so proud to have moved to California 3 years ago because I had this idea that the State was way more progressive than any other state in the U.S. As a minority I'm so disappointed. Quite honestly I'm hurt. I'm saddened to think that so many African-Americans and Hispanic voters would do this to another minority group.

What were you thinking?

And to the Hispanic community --- Despierten !!!!! WAKE UP!!!


in all fairness... people saying that the black struggle is not even close to the gay struggle, i disagree.. think of it this way, while gay people were never forced into slave labor or denied the vote, they TOO have been the victims of CONSTANT prejudice, ostracism, oppression, not to mention VIOLENCE as well. Lynchings equate to gay-bashings in my opinion, where a group of angry kids/rednecks attacks someone for simply being different. Also, at least african-americans are not accosted by people on the street claiming they are evil because the bible says so. And then people start passing legislation against someone because of what the bible says. While i think the african-american history is VERY different to that of gays, the issue of interracial marriage is NOT so different to the issue of gay marriage today.

BY THE WAY, in Leviticus where the famous "homosexuality is an abomination quote" it also condemns SHRIMP in the same severity a few passages later.

Just further proof that following the bible should not interfere with the rights of others.

Also, I think the high number of blacks who voted in favor of prop 8 probably had more to do with poor campaigning.

@Jay

Gee, you're right. All the gays should just DECIDE to be straight starting today, and this whole thing won't even be an issue anymore.

Idiot.

Ironic

The Mormon church poured rivers of money into California to defeat Proposition 8, specifically targeting the AA community in the knowledge that they would be turning out by the millions to vote for Obama.

This would be the same church that until 1978 would not allow men of African descent to be ordained to the priesthood or allow black men or women of African descent to participate in temple ordinances such as the Endowment and sealing that the church teaches are necessary for the highest degree of salvation.

In other words, they used Obama to further their own bigotry.

I am disgusted to call myself "Californian" today - we live in a state that now values the rights of chickens over the rights of human beings ... it is sickening to know that other marginalized groups in our state choose to pass the hate on to gays and lesbians, but they can now stand among their white hater-counterparts in solidarity and throw gasoline on another disenfranchised group to distract everyone from themselves. Bravo - welcome to the mainstream of hate that is America. Amen.

I'm very saddened by this. This state, that passed a ballot to protect animal rights, took away rights from another human being.

As a gay man, I am not a truly free citizen. I can be discriminated in employment, housing and of course marriage.

Racial segregation was not ended by popular vote. The right to vote for women and other minorities was granted by the general population.
It is the job of the government and the courts to step in to protect gay rights. When ever a minority was grated equality, it was always through intervention, not by popular vote.

White gays supported Proposition 209. Consider yourself paid in full.

Question for D. Nowland. How in the world are the rights of your family and religious freedoms impacted by allowing same sex couples to marry? This is totally irrational.

This vote was based on ignorance pure and simple. Regardless, we still have 18000 same sex couples in CA and they are not going away. It is a sad statement on opposite sex marriage if it is threatened by a same sex marriage. The 50% divorce rate among opposite sex couples has been happening long before we were allowed to marry. And no church has been forced to marry any same sex couple. We are supposed to live in a secular society- get with it, if you don't believe in same sex relationships and marriage, don't enter into one, but don't prevent us from doing so.

I am SO APPAULED that ANYONE would have the audacity to compare the Civil Rights Movement with Prop 8. How dare you! A century of oppression, slavery, torture....and then several decades of unequal rights, jim crow laws, discrimination in neighborhoods, public venues..the workplace, harassment, hate crimes...compared to discrimination of gay people? Let me tell you something...black people did not choose to be black and you can see the color of their skin. You cannot "see" gay and you cannot simply compare already having rights such as a civil union and wanting to get more.....to a history of the black experience. That is just plain wrong and RUDE and belittling.

Second of all.....you cannot blame the passing of Prop 8 on a certain race. I agree that many voted strictly on religious reasons and based on the direct words in the bible it is wrong, and an abomination, and is a sin. Now to then compare that to those who had slaves and used the fact that they think those who are not Christians are an abomination and must be saved through slavery is not the same. First of all you can't use slavery and the bible as a correct comparison because nowhere in the bible does it say to forcefully show those who are not Christians that they should be one!! It states that Christians are supposed to be a light amongst non-believers and that by your acts ppl will want to know why you are so different. So for those who try and use this example.......do your research and realize that claim is null and void. HOWEVER...what is not null and void is a direct quote in the bible that says HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION!!!! So don't get upset at people who are merely following the bible (such as this case) versus those who made interpretations of it and chose to come to whatever conclusion that thought fit their lifestyles (pro-slavers).

SLS: "Try as you might you can not look at a gay person and say with all certainty that person is gay, But you CAN look at a black person and KNOW they are Black!"

by this logic, we can discriminate against Jews because who would know just by looking at them! This is seriously faulty logic. EVERY minority group is discriminated in one way or another, and this is WRONG. Imagine being discriminated against because a book that EVERYONE happens to read says that you're evil?

to everyone else:
There are a lot of faulty arguments on this board, and it just shows ME that this should not have been up for voters to decide in the first place. All lot of people are bringing the bible into this, which has NO place in ANY election/vote. Separation of Church and State is an extremely important part of our country's founding, and if your only reasoning against something is because the bible says so then you shouldn't bloody be voting/it shouldn't be on the ballot to begin with. THIS is my argument against prop 8, im not even touching upon the actual issue of whether gays should be married or not.

@ Orin Ryssman

The collective wisdom of the voters once counted slaves as only 3/4 of a person and accepted "separate but equal" instead of equality. Think for a moment before invoking the law to justify discrimination.

The reason that blacks don't see gay marraige is because it is entirely different. Traditional marriage is a moral issue. I know gay supports don't like to hear that and want to argue that marriage is just a contract, but it is not. Marriage between a man and a woman is what is morally right and is in tune with what is good for society.

Interesting indeed. I am African American and I think these so called religious zealots should be ashamed of themselves. These are the people that are doing the most dirt. It's sickening that they are more accepting of murderers, rapists, molestors and the like into their congregation but are hell bent on holding someone back for simply wanting to get married. I don't want to hear the crap about the sanctity of marriage. You don't support homosexuals getting married but support someone like Britney Spears who was married for a whopping 63 hours or so.

Wake up people, first its discrimination against homosexuals then it can be skin color or gender.

66% of the younger generation (19-29) voted against this. The main responsible for this pass was the older generation (65+). I guess that tells you something about the future of this bigotry. California lost today, and now there's nothing that can be done. But I feel people will soon regret and, next time this goes to the ballot, the results will be different.

Ah.. California! We give rights to farm animals but take them away from people.

Ask a gay black man if being discriminated against because your gay is any less hurtful then the color of our skin. Being shot dead because your gay doesn't make you any 'less dead' then being murdered for being black. Its still discrimination. Period.

@ Avril

First: Your capslock is jammed... Second: Comparing gays to animals just is so revealing of what you actually think. Third: homosexuality is not a chosen thng even for some uneducated (!!!) people this might be a comfortable belief.

I am so glad for my colored neighbors and friends that with Barack Obama they have gone another step towards total equality.

Gays and lesbians will go there too - if not now then in a few years: This is America and it will keep it's promise to everyone - even though the cancer that fundamentalist Christianity is might have scored a victory it will never win this war on people who think differently because people will never ever stop fighting agsinst what is wrong, hateful and discriminatory.

 
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