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70% of African Americans backed Prop. 8, exit poll finds

A lot of Obama/Yes-on-8 voters? The Associated Press exit polls show that African Americans and Latinos backed Proposition 8 in good numbers. Details here from AP:

California's black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for Barack Obama, also provided key support in favor of the state's same-sex marriage ban. Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for The Associated Press.

More than half of Latino voters supported Proposition 8, while whites were split. Religious groups led the tightly organized campaign for the measure, and religious voters were decisive in getting it passed. Of the seven in 10 voters who described themselves as Christian, two-thirds backed the initiative. Married voters and voters with children strongly supported Proposition 8. Unmarried voters were heavily opposed.

-- Shelby Grad

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Of all the communities in the US, one would think that African Americans would not want to discriminate against another community. How wrong is that assumption!, It seems suffering over two hundred years of oppression does not teach one tolerance and compassion. It is a bitter and sad day for California's gay and lesbian community. It is also hard to grasp that we voted in our first African American president while carving permanent, legislative discrimination and bigotry into our state constitution.

It's a shame groups that are all too familiar with discrimination and hatred would accord the same treatment to similarly "unpopular" minorities.

Maybe African-Americans cared more about their votes counting. They voted for Prop 22, and probably didn't like a court throwing out their votes.

Terribly sad and hypocritical. Gay people have been forefront in the black civil rights movement since day one, we made your cause our cause and now this is how you repay us? I know I speak for many when I urge you to remember all who have fought so hard for you and still do in the realms of social Justice. I think we feel so stabbed in the back because we felt like you would understand.
Dr. King and Mrs. King were supporters of gay rights, because they understood what equality means.
This is just really, really cruel and narrow minded.

LJS - I agree with you 100%! I have been saying the same thing about the irony of the Obama win mixed with the Prop 8 Yes. It's a shame that so many would want to take away the right to such a happy, joyous occasion as a marriage.

I married my girlfriend of 7 years - the love of my life and soulmate - in August and finally felt like my straight, married friends saw our relationship equal to theirs. Now who knows what will happen to that legal relationship. No matter what, our relationship is strong and we will always be married in our hearts and minds. They can't take that away (or the piece of paper that hangs on the wall).

African-Americans, as a group, have never accepted the claims of the gay rights movement that the gay rights struggle is equivalent to, or the heir to, the Black Civil Rights Movement. The histories of those movements is far too different. What I think this result shows is that many, many supporters of Prop. 8 voted in favor of that measure out of a desire to reaffirm a concept of marriage that has been a cornerstone of our society for eons, not because they were deliberately trying to strip others of "fundamental" rights or otherwise act in a hateful and bigoted fashion.

The California Supreme Court could have granted the request for a stay of its ruling in the In re Marriage Cases decision pending this election, but it chose not to. If you want to blame anyone for the chaos that passing Prop. 8 will now cause in society for those individuals who entered into same-sex marriage, blame the CA Supreme Court's irresponsible decision to greenlight gay marriage while the issue was still out before the electorate.

My friend put it very well...Prop8 deciding factor? Black voters who don't see a civil rights issue. Who knew oppression could be a minority hand-me-down?

You all are forgetting that the AP listed facts about Latinos and Whites as well. Why is everyone pointing out that just blacks turned down this Prop? More than half of Latinos voted yes. Whites were split. Two-thirds of Christians backed the prop. Married voters and voters with children backed the prop. It's not just black people. C'mon-read the whole article again. Don't just pick out ONE fact and run with it. Run with all of the facts.

Gay marriage is wrong. It's as simple as that.

Looking a bit deeper into why the African American community voted for Prop 8...it's general, sure, but, the church is a very powerful force in that community, and I'm sure a lot of AA churches were for Prop 8.
I can guarantee that this community did not see Prop 8 as a civil rights issue akin to their own. They voted for it as bible-thumpers, unfortunately.
And here is where President Obama can have some impact in the years ahead, as he will be a very powerful inspiration to this community and others in fighting the hatred that Bush and Co. fostered.
Disappointed today, excited in the long run...

As a Canadian I am blown away that your neighbour can decide your human rights for you. That just would not fly here at all. An inclusive and human-rights based society is the only one that will survive. How oppressive is your nation!! I am so sad for you.

I really don't understand how gay marriage can be compared to the struggle of other minorities. The examples used in those commercials were disingenuous. Comparing prop 8 to internment camps and other minorities not being able to own land is absolutely absurd.

Twice now Californians have voted against gay marriage I think it's time to move on.

Hilarious! the outrage from all you liberals at your african-american friends! where is your outrage at your president-elect. He towed the african-american line-traveling around with homo-hating religious figures, coming out against gay marriage. but y'all looovee you some Obama. Well, the One may have said he is against Prop 8, but he is also against gay marriage...kind of creates a culture of intolerance, don't it?

BTW: this Texas conservative (you know, one of those people you liberals love to hate) is a social liberal, and thinks it is evil that gays and lesbian are not permitted to marry, like any other loving couples.

You are now free to go back to hating conservatives...and Texans!

As a gay Californian who supported President Obama, I find it more than ironic that even as African Americans made their way to "the mountain top," so many of them paused long enough to dig their heels into the necks of their gay brothers and sisters. Their prejudice shows they are just fine with keeping us down because their religious beliefs allow discrimination and intolerance as it's against us, and not them.

As someone who devoted hours to supporting Obama, and hundreds of dollars I really didn't have, to see him elected, last night was miraculous. But -- I have to say that knowing that so many AA votes helped to put a gay marriage ban on California's constitution, has taken my joy and turned it to ashes in my mouth. So much for fairness and unity and Yes We Can. Apparently as far as the AA community is concerned, if you're gay, you can't.

This is not about discrimination. This is not about the rights for gays to marry. That right never existed. This society allows you to be gay, allows you the same rights as a married couple. But enough is enough. Where would we draw the line, that anyone has to right to marry the person they love. Are we gonna alllow a father who falls in love with their daughter the right to marry her? Or do we need to allow bigamy, and polygamy? The buck stops here.

Being gay and being black are not the same For some of us it is an issue of religion and cannot get past the point that acts of homosexuality are seen as unGodly by most. I would hire a gay person, live in the same block go to the same stores and schools with no issues. But do not ask me to make your sexual preference valid, that is the difference. The union of two men and two women is fine, just do not ask to make it a legal thing or compare it to racism. That is when you loose me. Hell a gay white man always was in front of me when it came to the picking order in America

The hicks who voted yes on 8 didn't do it to "uphold a tradational institution" or "maintain the nuclera family unit." They did it because they hate gays. I just wish more of them would admit it.

is this another forum for the losers to whine and moan about their losses???
GET OVER IT!

Divide and conquer!
Let's not make it personal. Fundamentalist Christianity holds a certain power with some minorities. We will get there, it justs takes time. Anyone feeling too devastated by this result needs to remember the last election 4 years ago which was basically won against gay marriage. Now voted in is a president who included gay or straight in his winning speech. More education and understanding still needs to be developed.

The issue should never have been before the voters in the first place. It's an issue of fundamental rights, not subject to the whims of a mob. I don't think government has any business promoting one lifestyle (marriage) over another (remaining single) in the first place, but if it does, to circumscribe the choice of consenting adults that a person can marry is clearly a freedom of association issue.

While we're at it, let's figure out a way to tighten up the initiative process so that they're few and far between. A good start would be to require ratification by 2/3 of counties, or perhaps a 3/4 margin in the popular vote. There should be a high hurdle to surmount so that only those propositions with overwhelming support win passage, particularly when amending the state Constitution is involved.

"Gay marriage is wrong. It's as simple as that."

Bigotry. It's as simple as that.

So, Prop 8 got a "yes" and gays are saying "discrimination." i guess they also don't care much for the entire course of human history up 'til now saying marriage = man + woman. They also do not seem to be concerned one whit that discriminating against the firmly held beliefs of christians, muslims, mormons, etc etc is a good thing. Here's a clue for the "no on 8" people. Their firm belief is not any more valid than anyone else's.

Also, marriage has never ever been a civil or other right. It has always been a civil contract and for those who are religious, a religious contract. Once more, it was never a right. There have always been sanctions, both civil and/or religious on who could marry. Conversely, a right has always been applied without restriction, so marriage has never qualified as a right.

This is precisely the type of case the courts should be involved in. The tyranny of the majority is very much at play here, and as was intended by the Founders, and as has proven time and time again, the courts are an essential defense in protecting such communities. Also, it does strike me as hypocritical of the black community to use many of the same arguments against gays that were used against them in previous decades. Protecting the sanctity of marriage? Say no to interracial marriage. Should gays be treated as an inferior class? Separate is never equal.

How ironic given the dismal statistics of black marriages. And this is from 1992...

"Black children are only half as likely as white children to be living in a two-parent household, and are eight times more likely than white children to live with an unwed mother. For black children under six, 'the most common arrangement -- applying to 42 percent of them -- was to live with a never-married mother.'"
The Abolition of Marriage, by Maggie Gallagher p. 117, citing Andrew J. Cherlin, Marriage, Divorce, Remarriage, rev. and enl. ed., (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1992), 98-99.

So, why would a group that has been discriminated against for decades want to prevent another group who is discriminated against from enjoying married life when they themselves appear to not believe in the institution of marriage? I don't get it. I guess this is like most religious initiatives...they make the people drink the kool-aid of hate and fear leading to irrational behavior.

This is equivalent to voting in the first Gay American President while at the same time mandating that a black person cannot marry a white person. Sad day in CA for civil rights.

 
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