Jonathan Safran Foer Q&A: You gonna eat that?
Jonathan Safran Foer asks, what did you do when you learned the truth about eating animals? A take on that truth can be found in his occasionally inspiring, occasionally gruesome book "Eating Animals." It's the first major work of nonfiction by this award-winning novelist; he spent three years exploring the realities of animal husbandry in America. In her review, Susan Salter Reynolds writes that Foer has "a kind of fearless modernity: one part 'whatever,' one part descendant of Holocaust survivor (we've only got this one life, if that, to get things right) and one part soaringly beautiful, annoyingly entitled liberalism.... Think your way through it, Foer warns. Define the terms. Choose your priorities. You have that luxury."
Foer will be in Los Angeles this weekend, appearing at the Santa Monica Library on Saturday at 7 p.m., at a sold-out appearance at the Skirball Center Sunday afternoon and Vroman's Bookstore in Pasadena on Sunday at 6:30 p.m. He spoke to Jacket Copy by phone.
Jacket Copy: In "Eating Animals," you really bring to life how horrifying factory farms are. I wonder, as a writer, what it was like to write that horror story.Jonathan Safran Foer: I don't really think of it as a horror story, for a couple of reasons. One, it might very well have a happy ending. Two, there's plenty of moments of not only levity in it, but also joy, whether it comes in the form of my own memories of happy meals – not Happy Meals, from McDonald's, but meals that are happy – or days that I spent on really good farms. Obviously the book is about an industry that is almost entirely horrific, but the story is bigger than just that industry.
JC: You open with a story of generations – what food meant to your grandmother, your family growing up, and now you with a new son. Is choosing to be a vegetarian a break from tradition, or can tradition accommodate change?
JSF: There are different kinds of traditions. My grandmother was not a vegetarian, and my parents are not vegetarians. On another hand, there's the tradition of wanting your actions to reflect your values. Or wanting to make good choices even when they're difficult or against certain instincts or cravings. Traditions happen on all sorts of levels, and sometimes we have to lose one tradition in order to maintain another.
JC: When you started the book, did you realize how important turkeys and Frank Reese's Good Shepherd Poultry Ranch would be to telling the arc of the story?
JSF: No, I didn't know very much about Frank Reese. I mean, I'd read a bit about him, mostly because he wins all these taste tests – that's how he became a famous farmer, because he makes food that apparently is the best that anybody is making now. I was really moved -- I was moved by him, his story, his farm, the way he thinks about raising animals, the way he thinks about feeding people. If there's a hero of the book, in a certain way, he's it.
JC: You're going on Martha Stewart right before Thanksgiving – are you going to talk turkey?
JSF: Presumably – I don't know. I don't boss her around, she bosses me around.
JC: Have you been on Martha Stewart before?
JSF: I was once, with my first book. I've gotten to know her a little bit just because she's very concerned about these issues. She's not a vegetarian herself, but she's a very very strong advocate of family farming, small farming.
JC: In the story you tell, factory farms are growing more and
more powerful, to the detriment of more humane small farms. What lesson
do you think we should take from that?
JSF: There are a lot
of forces that are encouraging the growth of factory farms; they're
enormously profitable precisely because they externalize all the real
costs. We pay for it through subsidies, we pay for it through
environmental degradation, that we are the ones who have to clean up.
It's in their business model to destroy the environment. All these
forces encouraging the growth of factory farms. It's very hard for
small farmers, because it just costs more to raise animals the right
way. Consumers are going to have get used to eating less meat – to
paying more for better quality meat and eating significantly less of
it. And that's not something that's easy to tell everybody.
JC: How much do you see the book as an exploration, and how much as a call to action?