Judge places California's global warming program on hold

A San Francisco superior court judge has put California's sweeping plan to curb greenhouse gas pollution on hold, saying the state did not adequately evaluate alternatives to its cap-and-trade program.

In a 35-page decision, Judge Ernest H. Goldsmith said the Air Resources Board had failed to consider public comments on the proposed measures before adopting the plan, which affects a broad swath of the state's economy. In particular, the judge noted, officials gave short shrift to analyzing a carbon fee, or carbon tax, devoting a “scant two paragraphs to this important alternative” to a market-based trading system in their December 2008 plan.

The air board said it would appeal the judge's decision, which was filed late Friday and released Monday.

The potential setback in California, the first state to enact a broad global warming law, comes amid heightened nationwide controversy over how to curb the gases that trap heat in Earth's atmosphere, and change climates. A cap-nd-trade bill passed the U.S. House in 2009, but failed in the Senate after intense opposition from the coal and oil industries. With the election of more business-oriented politicians last November, the measure is considered dead in the short term.

In the November election, however, Californians voted down a oil-refinery-sponsored ballot initiative to delay the state's global warming law, which is touted as a spur to California’s fast-growing renewable energy industry. The 2006 law requires the state to cut its greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020.

The California lawsuit was filed by six environmental groups that represent low-income communities, including the Association of Irritated Residents, based in the San Joaquin Valley, and Communities for A Better Environment, which fights pollution around the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach.

The groups contend that a cap-and-trade program would allow refineries, power plants and other big facilities in poor neighborhoods to avoid cutting emissions of both greenhouse gases and traditional air pollutants.

“This decision is good for low-income communities like Wilmington, Carson and Richmond,” said Bill Gallegos, executive director of Communities for a Better Environment. “It means that oil refineries, which emit enormous amounts of greenhouse gases and contribute to big health problems, cannot simply keep polluting by purchasing pollution credits, or doing out of state projects.”

California's cap-and-trade program was strongly backed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger over the objections of groups that prefer direct regulations, or a carbon tax, on industrial polluters. Under the market-based system, companies can meet their obligations by purchasing credits from other companies, or from projects such as forest preservation that cut pollution more cheaply.

“Claims of environmental harm from a program of tradable allowances for greenhouse gases are unfounded,” the Air Resources Board said in a statement on the judge’s decision.

The board’s attorneys will meet with plaintiffs about complying with the order without halting all aspects of its global warming plan. Besides the cap-and-trade program, which covers 600 industrial plants, the plan includes rules to curb the carbon intensity of gasoline production and distribution, slash motor-vehicle emissions and control potent greenhouse gases such as refrigerants.

“We believe plaintiffs did not intend to put on hold efforts to improve energy efficiency, establish clean car standards and develop low carbon fuel regulations,” the board said. Such a “broadly written” order, “puts at risk a range of efforts to move California to a clean energy economy,” it added.

Legislation has been introduced in Congress backing carbon fees over cap-and-trade systems, and a carbon tax is enjoying widespread support in British Columbia, where it is offset by cuts to other taxes. But the administration of California Gov. Jerry Brown has given no indication of whether it would be open to similar alternatives.

Politically influential green groups, such as the Environmental Defense Fund, the Nature Conservancy and the Natural Resources Defense Council have backed a cap-and-trade approach, and did not join the lawsuit by environmental justice groups.

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PHOTO: Valero's Wilmington refinery, near the Port of Long Beach. The company was the main funder of Proposition 23, a ballot initiative to suspend California's global-warming law. And it would be among 600 industrial facilities covered by the state's cap-and-trade program. Christina House /Los Angeles Times

Comments

[Lunovis]

Please stop Catastrophic Anthropogenic Economic Disaster is a real and proven fact. Please help put a stop to it!!!

[Jimmy Stewart]

Praise God! There is still some sanity left in the world! Global warming is such a hoax. I live in California and I'm glad this has been put on hold but I hope they end up killing the bill! We are suffering as a nation because we don't drill more, refine more and thereby expand our economy and our lives. We are purposely crippling our country by restricting our ability to tap the many resources (oil, coal, natural gas etc..) and it's time we start getting politicians elected that will further our ability to use these resources, instead of going back to the dark ages like the environmentalists want to do to "save the planet" when it in fact does not need to be saved from anything other than environmentalists! Have you ever stopped to think where oil comes from??? From inside the earth! That's right the earth produces oil so it must be good! At least by the environmentalist's logic.

[Tulsa]

What do you expect from this rag. Lousy story. Climates change. The 1 degreee rise in temps is nothing to when mean hungry conservative dinosaurs ruled the earth and ate the stupid liberals who ran around crying "the earth warming, the earth is warming!!!" I wouldn't let my dog pee on this worthless excuse for a news reporting organization. The liberals better hope the earth warms up and carbon increases. That is how the large plants will grow to feed this world that is over populated. We have to many people in this world! That is the problem! Hey liberals!!!! You want to help the world. Suck the end of a 357 magnum and eat the bullet!

[dean]

No cap and tax at State or Federal level. Leave CA now before even more regulations and restrictions are imposed. Its a wasteland of a state with all the illegals, taxes, traffic, and crime.

[Bill Clinton]

Proven Global Warming. Proven by who? Global Warming Activist ya fools..
I've never read so many stupid comments about NOTHING.
If you don't like energy then move to the Amazon.

[Rhadagastt]

GW has not been PROVEN to be man-caused. That is an absolute lie. You people have your heads in the sand. If GW were a human-caused, it should have started about 1940 and trended strongly upward as global industrialization followed World War II. That isn't what happened. The warming started about 1850. We had a surge of warming from about 1850 to 1870. We had another surge from 1916 to 1940 and then, when the greenhouse gasses began to spew from the factories; the temperatures went down for 35 years. 1976 to 1998, we had another surge of warming, but we've had no warming in the last 8 years. So, what we have is an erratic warming that started too soon to be blamed on humans and is not following in the footsteps of the CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Terribly inconvenient.

Plus none of your supposed mathematical models predicted the weather we're having now. 5 or 6 years ago they were predicting the end of snow fall in Brittan. None of the models that they use to “prove” it exists predicted snowfall of the magnitude we’ve been getting. You’re adjusting your theory to fit the results, which essentially makes your theory garbage because it can’t predict squat accurately.

[jake49]

Air Resources Board - Fake science group. Yes they failed to consider comments and dat from real sceintists. This is a step in a rational direction. Thank you judge. APW is a proven fake.

[Bill]

Leave it to liberals to not only believe they can regulate and tax their way to absolute control over every citizen of California, but to also think they can actually regulate and tax the planet into cooling.

Kinda hard to solve a problem that is either not there, or completely out of any humans' control.

[Joe]

Cali is already bankrupt - this global warming scam will only fast track the failure of Cali over regulations, over taxing and over spending. Keep on pushing out business to the rest of the US we want the jobs!!!!!

[psadie]

California gets what it deserves. Only you fools would continue the farce of global warming. The liberal mantra continues on in this state. California is truly stupid. In the meantime, China and India continue to pollute the planet. Where is the EPA and the global environmentalists on this issue. Let's see you go to China and protest their pollution. You will bet a bullet in the head. End of story.

[Jane Doe]

Get over it, alarmists!

[Smitty]

The Global Warming story is an intriguing one, but other myths like those from Greece about the gods and goddesses are much more enjoyable (and infinitely less pricey).

[kentex1146]

How would I feel if I woke up tomorrow morning and learned that Las Vegas had a beach?

Wonderful! I'd book a flight, pack my swim trunks and head to Vegas.

[lwa]

Seinfeld: Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake!
Tax scheme to redistribute wealth and kneecap capitalism. All based on a lie.
Climate change, yes, all the time and we have no control over it.
1973, Newsweek: Global Freezing!!! Thirty years later: Global Warming!!

At all times: The Sky is Falling!! Quick, tax something!!!!

[Brandon]

Funny, you dummies can't help but shoot yourselves in the foot. All this legislation (cap and trade) does is chase jobs and tax revenue away from your state, which I welcome, as my state is materially better off because of your stupidity.

Thanks again, commies! We appreciate the business.

[Rocco]

--The potential setback in California, the first state to enact a broad global warming law, comes amid heightened nationwide controversy over how to curb the gases that trap heat in Earth's atmosphere, and change climates.--

Don't you mean heightened nationwide controversy over whether manmade global warming exists???? The release of carbon dioxide by human activities has an infinitesimal effect on global climate. The planet has been cooling over the last 10 years, even though algore said we would be beyond the ppoint of no return at this point. Admit it left wingers, this was all a scam to squeeze more money at of the hard working, long suffering citizens so you can continue to implement your socialist wet dreams.

[NeilB]

Any time someone starts spouting off to you about global warming, ask them the following question - they will never, ever have an answer, and instead will simply ignore the question.

The earth has gone thru multiple - possibly hundreds - of ice ages. The ice came, hung around for a while - miles deep in places - and then melted after thousands of years. This is a geological fact. If global warming is man made, why did the ice melt? Why were there MULTIPLE ice ages? It had nothing to do with cell phones, big macs or SUVs, the earth just warmed up. Its cyclical.

[Wil]

Many Californians simply can't wait to commit utter financial suicide. They absolutely will not rest until we have a complete financial collapse.

It was sad but amusing to watch one of Schwarzeneggar's speeches last year, as he explained that the state could not meet payroll beginning that Friday, and would begin paying employees with IOU's (once again). And then, in the next breath, he began talking about this glorious, $100 billion anti-global warming bill.

He seemed incapable of recognizing what my young children immediately realized: How could we possibly afford this truly massive program if we can't even make a typical, normal payroll? My son also asked me: If California does this and nobody else in the country or the world does it, how could it possibly have any positive impact what-so-ever?

These days, liberals seem to have had a complete break with reality. In their fierce and ignorant zealotry, they can not see what even children can immediately see. And there is no discussing things with them, either. They seem like they have lost their ability (or will?) to reason, or that they have simply lost their minds. It is a little unsettling.

[Rick]

Global warming is a hoax and a scam, nobody is buying it anymore and you poor libs are angry your plan fell apart. It's not going to happen libs, it's over, deal with it and go find a new hoax... no, changing the name from global warming to climate change don't cut it, it's still the same hoax and we are onto that game.

[Peter Gray]

A small bucket of cold water on a lot of hot heads. I hope that California fruits and nuts are successful and they go ahead with destroying the industry so everybody can see the scam behind it.

Even if the source of (this particular) climate fluctuation is man-made emissions of global warming the idea that you can affect it by switching to mercury light bulbs or driving Prius is at the least very silly. If we give up fossil fuels we have to give up the civilization as we know it and go back to the XIX Century, i.e., horses and candles and 45 year life expectancy. Believeing that we can produce energy from "alternative" sources to supply us with what you need is like believing that two and two is really seven and it is the evil bankers and oil companies that are trying to tell us otherwise.

[Bob A]

I hope Mexifornia passes this energy terrorist legislation. It will destroy Mexifornia's economy and make the other 49 states much more competetive. Environmental energy terrorists destroying themselves! I love it!

[NeilB]

Read Michael Crichton's "State of Fear".

Man-made global warming is bogus.

The liberal's came to the people with a COMPLETELY made up problem, and then convinced the world that only THEY had a solution to that poblem. Ummm duh! The problem doesn't exist, of COURSE noone else has a solution.

[Muhammed]

Bankrupt and consistently rated as "The Worst Business State in America" by Chief Executive and Forbes Magazines, Caleefornia's self-destructive regulatory environment and punitive taxation ensure its continued demise into 3rd-world status.

Once the Golden State, Caleefornia has devolved into an agricultural state populated chiefly by urban liberals and illiterate, unskilled Mexican peasants.
Most productive whites and the manufacturing tax base left Caleefornia years ago...and they aren't coming back.

CA = r.i.p.

[Greg]

Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fraud. The sun is the cause of climate change, not man. That is reason mars is changing about the same rate as earth.

[BC carbon tax]

Thanks for the article..

Just want to make a few realities of the British Columbia carbon tax clear to your readers. Since this tax was implemented the province reaped record profits from natural gas development in the northeast part of the province. Currently, the province is allowing the expansion of at least 5 open pit coal mines in the southeast part of the province, as well as coal bed methane development. Worst yet, BC gov is eagerly trying to facilitate a deal that would provide alberta oil sands to China via the 'gateway pipeline'. BC's carbon tax is a total scam. Not saying that a carbon tax is a scam, but the BC model is total greenwash.

[Law2001]

Yes, AGW is proven false and proven to be a fabrication by the leaked e-mails.

Yes, California seems intent on economic collapse by not generating sufficient energy.

[jasperddbgghost]

"Global Warming" is just about as real as the "Gay Gene".

It's one of those things the other side keeps saying is documented and widely accepted as fact but in reality, it's only a theory that is widely spouted as "fact".

Heck, it might as well be treated like another religion. You are outcast if you don't believe. Global Warming can be the "Buy our carbon credits or we will kill you" religion and Homosexuality can be the "Bundle of Twigs" religion.

Now, how on your Unicorns that fart out "Hope, Change, and Skittles"
and ride off into the land of Liberaltopia. Don't forget the welfare check.

Just sayin...

[stevens]

It's terrible that so much of the information on this issue is wrought with politics. I want very much to know THE TRUTH. I know the state of California's politics are such that any breath of common sense is immediately snuffed out in favor of a left wing agenda. But, I'm not comfortable with the only ones telling the other side of the story are the corporations that benefit from lax environmental laws. California...GROW UP. PAY YOUR BILLS. BE HONEST. Stop being a lacky for the sliver that is the extreme (anti-American) left.

[nyguy30]

Well I believe the climate is always changing...it's just the way of the universe, ever evolving.... and I agree we should stop polluting the so selfishly, but I totally disagree that throwing money at the problem will make anythign better... money is the root of all this choas... hmmm so they say lets throw mor emoney into the fire...it's not a solution it's snake oil

[Mike]

What? -

"Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is real and is a proven fact. Numerous peer reviewed scientific papers describe CAGW and the effects it is going to have on this planet in the future."

Oh, you mean the goofballs that colluded to ostracize scientists who published opposing views, altered data to suit their hypotheses, and hid or outright destroyed data that conflicted with the Global Warming theory? That august body of research, which is widely derided as the worst scandal in the scientific community in the modern era?

Here's a hint about how science works: Scientists propose theories, and then those theories are tested, updated, and the results are independently replicated. Scientists objectively analyse the data, and accept or reject ideas as the data warrants. As more information becomes available, more experiments are conducted and the body of research grows and often changes as new things are discovered.

Now, here's how religion works: An Authority (like AL GORE) brings us his Message. From that point on, as Al says, any debate is over. Anything that contradicts The Message is burned, hidden, ridiculed, and otherwise characterized as evil. Groups of people (like the IPCC) collude to suppress opposition to The Message, and heap praise upon The Authority who brought them The Message.

By the way, if this is a shock to you, try googling Climate Gate or Global Warming Scandal. Sure it's heresy, but when your done, confess your sins to Al, and for a few carbon credits, he'll absolve you of your doubt.

[webs]

http://hatch.senate.gov/public/_files/USSenateEPWMinorityReport.pdf
"Over 700 dissenting scientists from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore"
The minority report in the senate. 700 scientist signed this. Who actually have degrees in Science. Unlike Al Gore. Oh and theres a couple of nobel peace prize winners in there too. Global warming is a joke but good job for al gore to make billions off of these poor suckers that actually bought into it. Cali might figure it out when cap and trade actually is put in place. Do they actually thing the gas companies and oil companies will take that tax? No they will just pass it down to the consumer making life even more expensive in that state. The weather man cant predict the weather farther than 5 days out accurately...yet your willing to believe AL GORE predict 500 years + out in the future? Good luck with your unemployment rate and your "believe anything you are told" attitudes.

[SharpShtik]

While violent Muslims are a threat, they are nothing compared to America's enemy within. Anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-free enterprise/private property, anti-Christian and even anti-Caucasian socialists and communists d/b/a Democrats, including all current national Democrat leaders, are Americans' most dangerous enemy. Everything they do is designed to fundamentally transform America and simultaneously redistribute wealth, e.g., through disastrous affirmative action (standardless) lending, affirmative action health insurance (Obamacare), CO2 (plant food) emission tax redistribution, etc. Shifting wealth into the hands of like-minded foreign and American socialists and communists, diluting American votes with those of foreign invaders and otherwise destroying America as it is constituted is their goal. At least for now they are joined at the hip with violent Muslims against Americans, Christians and freedom.

[Greg Reed]

How do you lefty enviro-nazies explain away the lead East Anglia scientist saying, "I will destroy the raw data before I let anyone see it"? This proves this is all a lie. I challenge anyone to present a complete and open set of details of a study that proves carbon dioxide causes a total increase of energy in the atmosphere. This includes not only every value of the raw data but an exact explanation of how the raw data was obtained. I would like proof that the sample was equally likely, is of adequate size, and random. The truth is that this will never be presented because it would show what a fraud all of this is. The latest claim that carbon dioxide causes both an increase in heat and cold is the most ludicrous of all. How is there both an increase and decrease in total energy? I hear claims that there exists peer reviewed studies but the details are not released for anyone to examine for themselves if the study was conducted using valid methods. Who peer reviewed the studies? Pardon me but I want to decide for myself after seeing all facts.

[jsmith]

Science? You people (that's right...you people) can barely remember your own names. Niels Bohr (look him up...he has a few credits to his name) once said, "Predictions are very difficult, especially when they're about the future." And as for the computer models, remember the First Law of Computers: garbage in - garbage out. Take your state-sponsored global warming religion and shove it where the sun don't shine before I kick you so hard you'll be wearing your ass for a hat.

[James]

HA, HA!!! all you lefty loons with your socialism clothed as "evironmentalism" just took it on the chin. "Big Oil This", and "Big Coal that". WAAAAAAA!! When will you nerds get it that the EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE HAS BEEN CHANGING FOR THE LAST BILLION YEARS! We had a mini-ice age about a thousand years ago for crying out loud! The continent was once divided by a huge fresh water river. What melted that huge glacier in what we now call Minnesota 100,000 years ago? Was it pre-historic man roasting Mammoth meat over wood-based, carbon spewing camp fires? Global temps have been cooling for the last 10 years. The Anglica e-mails prove that your enviro Gods were making up the whole thing! Stop whining and go worship Gaia. And while you're at it, ask Gaia why she just punished the Japanese. We've all tried to be so nice to her lately!

[Jack Daniels]

So the libs in California already knew they wanted the Cap and Tax program so they ignored a possible carbon tax.

If the goal is to remove the pollutants from the air and not to setup some kind of half a$$ed trade of pollution then why not tax the pollution? They could hurt the businesses (we all know libs love to hurt profitable businesses) and maybe lower the pollution level? The answer is that they don't care about the amount of pollution in the air. Libs want any excuse to force businesses into more process and cut into their profits, nothing like a complicated system that doesn't stop pollution to fit the bill. If CA drives any more businesses out of the state then they'll lose more revenue from the taxes and end up bankrupting themselves.. Silicon Valley needs to get out while it can.

[ReConUSMC]

The rest of the States that produce energy should cut California off !
California is a joke in fast growing ReNewable energies .
Example .. Wind and Solar produce lest than 98 % of the States needs .
If and when this bill pass's ..There will be no Concrete , Brick and Asphalt plants left since the Bull's Eye is squarely against them .
Not to mention California's strong laws against Timber cutting .
Because of a 1 Inch fish 24 % of the Veg. and Fruit basket can't be farmed there as well .
This is what happens when Air Head Tree Huggers make blind air headed rules when there are no useful Alternatives in sight .

[Jim Sweet]

Texas is OPEN for business!

[Manbearpig]

Quote

Manmade "global warming" is a junk science invented to make a LOT of money for the likes of algore.

You Sir are correct!

[j h]

yea for "big oil and coal" ( whatever that means ) since they are publicly traded and still american. i get to keep my job...go trains for hauling the stuff and keeping america moving...DRIVE, HEAT, CONSUME!!!

[guest]

Sucks being a liberal doesn't it....those judical swords cut both ways......oh how wonderful you all claim when they strike down the will of the REAL people but god help a CA judge if they go against the the lefty lunatic fringe.

[SharpShtik]

All 6+ billion people occupy only 1.5% of Earth. Man’s unnatural CO2 emissions are trivial in our massive system driven by the Sun’s 386×10^24 Watt nuclear fusion reactor delivering an average of 1,368 Watts/m^2. A TSI shift of 0.2% equates to 1-year’s total human energy consumption. TSI increased 0.1% during a mere 25 years of NASA satellite study. Solar variation & other natural events control Earth’s warming & cooling cycles now as they did pre-fossil fuel use, e.g., Medieval Warm Period & Little Ice Age. This is ignored, as is the lack of warming in the past decade that also doesn't fit the models they fabricated. Measuring to the Karman line 100 km (1000 m) or 62.1 miles above sea level, the amount of gas in Earth’s atmosphere is approximately 51,924,386,582,000,000,000 cubic meters weighing approx. 5,000 trillion metric tons (1 metric ton = 1000 kg = 2,204.6 lbs). Of this, N and O are approx. 99%, water vapor is approx. 1% and CO2 is a mere trace gas at 0.038% (1.9 trillion metric tons). Leftists selectively rejected high CO2 measurements (in excess of 400 ppm) in the 1800’s, accepting only low measurements so they could argue there’s been a 100 ppm (parts per million) CO2 increase allegedly from 280 to 380 ppm in the past 150 years. The selective rejection of data is not science; it is the politics of socialists and communists to try to fabricate yet another "crisis" they can exploit and "solve" by still more national and international wealth redistribution.

This wealth redistribution scam rests on decades of dishonest data collection and manipulation including temp sensor locations, surrogate data and fudge factors. Repeatedly, as their numbers were proven not to work, they have continuously revised upward the amount of unnatural CO2 emisions they allege and how they define unnatural CO2 emissions. Al Gore and other corrupt middleman Enron-type carbon credit traders who do nothing but skim and inflate prices are lined up at the government forced feeding frenzy trough.

[Michael B]

J - are those the same computer models that "predicted" a very dry winter and more water shortages in California? If they got that dead wrong only 6 months out how on earth can you belive we should spend billions on computer projections 60 years out?

I'm a statistics major. Look up "Terminal Point Bias". Then ask yourself if the earth is hotter now than during the ice age. Duh. Mother Nature has fluctuations that we cannot possibly comprehend right now.

[JamesD]

Latest Satellite global temperature data shows that the earth is cooler today than 30 years ago. Bartlesville, OK set a RECORD -31F low temperature this winter, which can only happen through night time radiated heat to space. This should not be possible according to the THEORY of AGW.

But go ahead California, shutdown your refineries. Meanwhile your wind mills are grinding to a halt from lack of maintenance.

[EnemyOfTheState]

This article belongs on the front of the U.S. and business sections not hidden under local. This "law" has been used as a template by other governments and it needs to be questioned by the "people" not just one judge.

[Oilslick]

It appears the Envriofacists who are an unelected environmental committee of eco-terrorists have lost and why did these Marxists trying to destroy society using the environment loose, because a judge found they were "DICTATING" laws that harm California and spit on the democratic system in the great Republic of California. That is right. CARB and its board are unelected and dictating to you the most hostile anti-American policies to remove the quality of your lives. If you don't know that by now, you should. Here are the Marxists on CARB out to steal your freedom without being held accountable to the voters in this great golden state. Mary D. Nichols, a staunch Marxist who doesn't want you to even own and drive a car. She is one of the most extremist anti-Americans on the globe today and she was "installed" to set you on the path to Stalinism. Ken Yeager from the San Fransicko AQMD - need I say more. San Francisco is the worst city in the United States to live in with marble brained Commies. Just ask about Nancy Pelosi's home turf, yep that is her city. The remaining names are Daniel Sperling, Dorene D.Adamo, Barbara Riordan, John R. Balmes M.D., Lydia H. Kennard, Sandra Berg, Ron Roberts, John G. Telles M.D., Ronald O. Loveridge SC AQMD and these people are all unelected and dictating the stripping of the quality of your life.

[SharpShtik]

The lawsuit by communists proves that regulation of CO2 (plant food emissions alleged to be pollution) is not what the scam is about. The scam is about national and international wealth redistribution. The only "solution" ever proposed to every "man made" "crisis" fabricated by socialists and communists d/b/a Democrats is more national and international wealth redistribution. For example, Emma Brindal of communist "Friends of the Earth," said, “[a] climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources.” On Aug. 24, 2009, Reuters reported that 10 African countries would demand $67 Billion/year to "mitigate" "man made" "global warming" "damage." On Sept. 7, 2009, at an African summit, chair Barry Aminata Toure said, "It isn't even aid we're asking for. We simply want a fairer distribution of wealth, that's all." On Aug. 11, 2009, Socialist UN Sec. Gen. Ban Ki-Moon said, "Climate change . . . is the fundamental threat to humankind. . . . [D]eveloped countries must provide . . . financial . . . support to developing countries. . . . from both public and private sources. . . . billions of dollars . . . [of] new money." Obama, a Marxist like both of his parents, said "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Obama, 10-11-08, "America [is] increasingly unequal [along] racial lines" Obama, "Audacity of Hope," p.157. "[S]omeone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so someone else can have more," Michelle Obama, 4-8-08.

[Ingwe Malmsteen]

TorresD30 | March 22, 2011 at 10:01 AM wrote:

"Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is real and is a proven fact..."

Please point us to the proof that confirms cause-and-effect. You won't be able to do it.

P.S. We don't allow a "model" as proof, any more than Kate Moss proves that your chubby girlfriend will look good in that Size 0 Halston dress.

[Give Me a Break]

"Oil-refinery sponsored initiative?" The initiative, Prop. 23 was not sponsored by the oil companies. They did make donations to proponents of Proposition 23. Prop. 23 made it on the ballot thanks to the work of the John and Ken show who constantly urged their listeners to sign petitions to have the Prop. placed on the ballot. If you want to call Prop. 23 "oil-industry sponsored" you should be honest and specify the opposition to Prop. 23 was "Financial Asset Manager Backed by Tom Steyer" who stood to make BILLIONS of dollars by having this so-called "green energy" manufacturing occur overseas in China.

Believe it folks, there are as many people like J from Pasadena in this world who don't understand that retroactive regulatory action being enacted by CARB hurts the small business climate in California.

As to all the rational people, listen to J in Pasadena, and move out of this state. J can stay and pay the taxes because he is enlightened.

[RJM5977]

TorresD30,

Please enlighten me as to where I can find more data on these computer models you speak of. Everything I have found regarding them has shown that when run against actual climatological records, they fail to duplicate what has actually happened in the real world.

In my book, if your model cannot accurately match actual events for which we have real records, its reliability to predict the future is seriously in question.