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Oliver Stone steps in it with Holocaust, media conspiracy remarks

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Has Oliver Stone not been paying any attention to Mel Gibson's years-long watch-your-mouth drama?

If nothing else, Stone may have learned Monday that just because you speak behind a paid-content wall, it doesn't mean the world can't hear you. Especially if your comments skew anti-Semitic -- a topic known to fuel the political fire.

Sitting down with the Sunday Times of London in an interview to promote his new documentary "South of the Border," Hollywood's master of conspiracy theories lobbed another one out there about the depiction of the Holocaust -- though in a statement Monday he backtracked on what he'd said and apologized.

After remarking in the interview that “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million],” Stone went into conspiracy mode with the assertion that "Jewish domination of the media" in the U.S. was to blame for Holocaust deaths getting a bigger spotlight than the millions of deaths that occurred in Russia in World War II.

The rest of the quote suggested that, in addition, U.S. foreign policy in general had been messed up by Jews both foreign and domestic: “There’s a major lobby in the United States," Stone said. "They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has [messed] up United States foreign policy for years.”

Stone responded Monday with a statement: "In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact ...

... that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity -- and it was an atrocity."

Major Jewish groups had in fact responded promptly Monday to Stone's interview, with the likes of the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee issuing statements condemning the director's remarks. (Click those links to see the statements in full.) 

"For all of Stone's progressive pretensions, his remark is no different from one of the drunken, Jew-hating rants of his fellow Hollywood celebrity, Mel Gibson," the AJC said.

"The myth of Jewish control is an old stereotype that persists to this day.Stone uses it in a particularly egregious fashion by suggesting that Hitler has gotten an unfair shake because of Jewish influence," the ADL said. "This is the most absurd kind of analysis and shows the extent to which Oliver Stone is willing to propound his anti-Semitic and conspiratorial views."

Simon Wiesenthal Center director Rabbi Marvin Hier said that “to talk about ‘placing Adolf Hitler in context’ is like placing cancer in context, instead of recognizing cancer for what it really is," the Jerusalem Post reported; Yuli Edelstein, Israel's minister of diaspora affairs and public diplomacy, told the Post that Stone's statements were racist and made him sick.

It's been no secret that Stone's current project with Showtime is a 10-part documentary miniseries, "Secret History of America," he's said will put people such as Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Joseph McCarthy "in context." Aside from the media comment, the director's riff in the Sunday Times continued a track he's been on since January.

“Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr. Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support," Stone told the Sunday Times. It was hardly the first time he'd expressed that sentiment -- speaking in Bangkok in January, he told reporters, "Hitler is a monster. There is no question. I have no empathy for Hitler at all. He was a crazy psychopath. But, like Frankenstein was a monster, there was a Dr. Frankenstein. He is product of his era."

He said at the Television Critics Assn. tour in January that Hitler has been "an easy scapegoat throughout history," adding that "we can't judge people as only bad or good" and that Hitler was merely "the product of a series of actions."

The Guardian reported that Stone told the Bangkok crowd his "Secret History" was aimed at providing an analysis of 20th century history that might be useful to President Barack Obama.

In January appearances, as in the most recent article, Stone also painted Stalin as a sort of not-so-bad guy -- relative to, you know, Hitler and his German war machine.

Moving forward, however, "Jewish domination of the media" perhaps wouldn't be entirely to blame, from Stone's perspective -- at the TCA, he said he expected critical spin to come from the right: "Obviously, Rush Limbaugh is not going to like this history and, as usual, we're going to get those kind of ignorant attacks."

The director, who in "South of the Border" has informal conversations with folks including Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Cuban President Raul Castro, also explained that in doing the "Secret History" project he was "trying to understand somebody I thoroughly despised" -- likening Stalin and Hitler to former President George W. Bush.

Coincidentally, over at 24 Frames, Steven Zeitchik recalls a recent on-the-record Stone comment in a "South of the Border" interview suggesting closet racism had played a part in the New York Times' coverage of Chavez.

When "Secret History of America" was announced in August 2009, Showtime billed it as examining events that were "at the time under-reported but crucially shaped America's unique and complex history."

(The Ministry reviewed the Sunday Times interview in full. Stone's comments came in the 31st paragraph of a 33-paragraph article in the wake of the British premiere of "South of the Border." Three paragraphs of that article are devoted to "Secret History of America." The article ends with an exchange between Stone and his daughter in which she says she always agrees with him, he shouts at her to always look at the other side, and she agrees -- then says she's "sooo brainwashed.")

-- Christie D'Zurilla

Photo: Oliver Stone attends the British premiere of "South of the Border" in London with his wife, Sun-jung Jung, left, and his daughter Tara on July 19, 2010. Credit: Max Nash / AFP / Getty Images

 
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Since "South of the Border" has grossed only 140K; mentioning Hitler, Stalin and Jews is sue fire way to wake up the media, who must think a tired old piece of sludge has been through for years..

Hitler gets the blame he deserves, but why do the the Bible, the American eugenics program, and the American Jim Crow laws, get off scot free? The Bible sanctions genocide, ethnic cleansing, and the killing of women and children ( ie the Amakelites). The American eugenics program was sanctioned by the US Supreme Court, and the Jim Crow laws look a lot like the Nuremberg laws. All of them were clear inspirations for the German racial purity movement.

Before WWII there was no word for genocide because it was considered to be ok. Hitler is being judged by rules humanity made up after the fact. We don't think it's fair to judge American founders who owned slaves, by our modern standards, yet we think it's fair to judge Hitler by our modern standards. 85% of the American soldiers fighting Hitler were anti-Semites with respect to modern standards (based on polls of Americans on their views of Jews at the time).

It is not consistent to judge some historical figures by modern standards and others by contemporary standards of the time. That's hypocrisy. Also, the Bible never says slavery is wrong. It just says Jews shouldn't be enslaved. And the Bible never says genocide is wrong. It fact genocide is sanctioned in several instances (Amakelites, Canaanites, etc). Until we have the courage to point the finger at the other culprits(Bible, US eugenics, and US Jim Crow), we will not have learned the lessons of the Holocaust.

People of good will need to contact Showtime's CEO and promise that if Stone's project airs, they will boycott advertisers. And DO it!

Only money talks today. Advertisers will sponsor any atrocity if it will get them eyes.

Maybe Stone and Gibson can get together on a mutually-despicable project that would probably find a home on Egypt's state-controlled TV. Egypt is already using our multi-billion dollar aid program to air the filthiest Jew-slanders, so whatthehay, why not hire a couple of US Jew-haters who might be needing jobs soon -- one hopes!

Oliver's Jewish father must be very proud of him.

I will grant him that far more Russians died in World War II than Jews did. I will grant him that proportionally more gypsies died than Jews did. But to claim that either of those things makes Hitler (and/or Stalin, where'd he come from?) "less bad" is absurd. What planet is ol' Olly living on?

Also, the main source of outrage here seems to be the Jews-control-the-media thing, which is strange to me. I would've expected the Hitler-is-misunderstood thing to bring more complaints. I'm curious as to how one can delicately point out that the vast majority of news sources (TV, magazine, and paper, including the LA Times) are owned by, uh, Jews. Without being anti-Semetic. Is it even possible?

Oh damn! Hitler was a victim? It was the Germans, US, and Brits that made him killed millions. Got it.

/sarc.

Putting Hitler in context? Putting Hitler in context?! What sort of context is needed? The guy ordered millions of people killed, a huge chunk of them Jews!

I think people should do some actual research and use their own brain with this. The Russian's fared worse than anyone in numbers killed and numbers in camps. That is a fact. The only difference is that they didn't have a handy, easy to remember, name for their suffering.
Hitler was a puppet for bankers and had massive support in the west. His eugenics ideas came from England and the US. Look up 'sterilization in the us' just for fun.
Interesting to note the huge reaction from the media about this. No other group would have such a fast response from the media. Ironic.

Fine. I'll grant that Hitler killed many Russians. But he did it because they were fighting in a war.

On the other hand, he SYSTEMATICALLY rounded up Jews and gays and gypsies with the EXPRESS PURPOSE of exterminating them. Either Stone missed that little fact, willfully chooses to ignore it or denys its veracity (despite the fact that the Germans themselves admit to the act). So in the first case he's lazy, in the second he's ignorant and in the third he's antisemitic.

Sorry, but Stone IS right: No politician can come to power without support. Do you think Hitler came out of absolute nowhere? Think again! Daimler-Benz, Krupp, and I.G. Farben all backed him (Mercedes made his cars; I.G. Farben made Zyklon B, the poison used to gas concentration camp inmates!) I.A. Topf and Sons built the crematoria at Auschwitz; C.H. Kori GmbH built the crematorias at Dachau and Lublin. Ferdinand Porsche enjoyed Hitler's patronage, and even used slave labor. Think about that the next time you find yourself lusting after a Porsche (or a Volkswagen, for that matter)!

And in case any of you were living under a rock in 2008, Obama was elected POTUS due to the backing of Wall Street, Big Business, the majority of the electorate, and the MSM -- especially the MSM!

Christie D'Zurilla here from the blog with a reminder that we don't publish comments that include profanity or graphic vulgarity, even if you put dashes or asterisks in the cuss words to try to get by the "filter" (I'm the filter -- yeah, I can spot that move).

If your post hasn't gone live, that may be why. Please feel free to resubmit without profanity.

We also, in general, do not publish comments that include links, as we don't have time to vet the content.

//cdz

They are blocking everyones comments.

@ John: Thank you, sir.

THAT is what is meant [presumably by Stone] by 'put into context'
Nobody --really NOBODY is trying to excuse Hitler -AT ALL.

BUT at the same time all you ever hear about the Holocaust is focused on the Jews and unless you actually study the subject (ie: get more than the public school whitewash) you barely hear about the Russians or gypsies.

An apt comparison would be hearing exclusively about Irish (and other white) debtors who worked (and got whipped) alongside blacks during American slavery.

@truthseeker -- Christie D'Zurilla here from the blog. I can't publish your comment with that one word you used, even with the asterisks, and I can't edit comment submissions. My previous reminder about profanity was actually sparked by your submission. Feel free to resubmit.

//cdz

@Lisa: Kudos to you. You sparked my interest!

Yes, every time anyone points out that more than just Jews died under Hitler, out comes the Holocaust industry to howl "antisemitic". My friends are always surprised when I talk about the OTHER six million victims in the camps who were NOT Jews. The Roma, the gays, the teachers and lawyers, the socialists, the patriots, the disabled...all those victims are negated and hidden by the industry's insistence that the Holocaust was a uniquely Jewish experience. Even worse is the guilt-tripping used to beat the world into submission every time Israel wants more land or slaughters more Palestinian civilians.

I think Stone is a horse's patootie but it doesn't mean that he can't make a valid point now and then. Pointing out the carnage in Russia doesn't negate the Jewish victims of the Holocaust but it does remind us of something the Jews want us to forget: that millions upon millions of non-Jews died in that war and in those camps, too, and their deaths are every bit as important.

What did he say that was racist? A truthful statement is not a racist comment. Whenever someone says something questioning Jews it's racist. Foxnews is owned by a Jew. Rupert Murdoch.

Rothschilds (Zionist Jews) own Reuters & the Associated press. CNN,CBS,ABC,NBC,MSNBC,and FOX are either owned or controlled by Jews and they all get their information from Reuters & the AP. The Zionist Jews own 96% of the worlds media. That's why when the media tells it,Israel is always the victim of terrorism & is just defending itself when it uses illegal chemical weapons & illegally bulldozes Palestinian homes. They just bulldozed 300 houses yesterday,but of course it got no media attention. Viacom,Time Warner,Walt Disney,and G.E. are all Zionist Jew owned and these same companies own the majority of the entertainment & news magazines. They mold the minds Of Americans. They also own the IMF & the federal reserve and control the currencies of the world. We're in so much debt that our dollar shouldn't be worth the paper it's printed on. It only has value because America is the Zionist attack dog who makes war with anyone the Zionist tell us to. Once something is a proven fact it is no longer a conspiracy THEORY

911, Iraq and Afghanistan wars are all because of the illegal occupation of Palestine. The Jews control the US government through AIPAC, Neoconservatives and The Shadow Government.

If you don't think the Jews control the media, watch the demonization of Oliver Stone in 5,4,3,2... They are going to portray this guy as the Anti Christ and worst than the terrorist. Watch.


Once again, like Helen Thomas, Oliver Stone simply gets in trouble for telling the truth about AIPAC, the fascist corporate media, and their minions, which includes the soon to be defunct and irrelevant L.A. Times. (Ottis Chandler spins in his grave.)

It would be interesting if people might consider reading history, and actually read up on what Stone was talking about, in regard to what Russia faced from Hitler in WWII. (Or as the Russians call it, "The Great Patriotic War".)

So much easier to lie about and distort what Oliver Stone said though. Typical of this failed newspaper.

@Adam | Jul 27, 2010 at 09:35 AM. I echo, exactly.

I am not sure what "history" is except that with the power behind it to be noted. We know that which is promoted, we do not know that which is not.

Our knowledge of history is limited to that to which we are exposed. Is that not a fair statement? Those with voice are heard above those without. Is that not a fair statment?

In the US the voice of "white" folk prevailed as "history" over the voice of "darker" folk for most of our existence. Only in the late 20th century did our collective voice change, and with it how we viewed our history.

Our history did not change, our voice did. As our voice changed, what we recognized as history changed.

What do you spect from Oliver Stone, he always bad mouths the USA at any forum, is the same ally of Chavez and Castro
and other communist leaders in South America...The men likes
publicity and most of the time he does not know what he is talking about!!! Maybe he should go and live in Venezuela instead of living in the USA.....

Where's the speaking freedom, freedom of point of view ?!! He can say what he want, no ? are we in the USA or in Israel ? Incredible !!!!! We can't talk about Jews but we can say all what we want about Iran, Arabs, Russian, Muslim, ... It's a shame to be american in those times !!!

Why does ANYONE still take this dictator-loving racist seriously? He deserves no more credibility than his dictator buddy Hugo Chavez or his racist homeboy Fidel Castro, whose continuing imprisonment of BLACK Cuban dissidents has been nothing short of criminal.

If Hitler didn't like the handful of Jews like the Rothchilds he should have just murdered them and let the other 5,900,000 Jews continue to live as farmers, peasants, and every day workers.

The lie that the US went to war in Iraq or Afganistan because of Israel is a huge typical antisemitic lie. The US went to Iraq so the Christian oil men like Cheney and Bush and the other Christian Texans can steal oil and fix oil wells for trillions of dollars. Also the Christian Cheney's Halliburton owns all the GI PXs and gets lots of money from the blood of our armed forces. Israel can take care of itself as the Arab countries outnumber the Israelis by millions and have yet to conquer them.

The largest and most powerful lobby in the USA since after WW2 is the American Medical Association and it's subsidiary foundations. Since that time in the healthcare field we as US citizens have been forced to ascribe to the normative genetic and social programming brought to us by Nazi doctors, first and foremost in the Military. Israel, as a tiny yet consistently pro-American state has marched towards nihilism mainly due to the kinds of views that Oliver Stone expresses; about the Jewish people, with generalizations and characterizations, makes the self made Kennedy expert sound himself like Hitler. Measuring brutality against brutality is a call for more brutality. Absolutely, the part that the USA, the Allies, and the dissidents in axis countries played to free the world is what made them the greatest generation; better than any communism has ever produced. Undoubtedly, there was a jealousy of parents that sent many baby bloomers into conspiracy mode. Ultimately, by toppling the paper dragons of genocide and, more importantly, the systems they leave behind, we benefit from better engineering, housing, transportation, and air quality. Oliver Stone just makes bad films, save space on the tivo.

Oliver Stone seems to be adapted by Helen Thomas

 
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