The play's the thing

I know it wasn't the key to the game, but I have to start with that play.

It was like a combination of Hopalong Cassidy and Pete Maravich. With one out in the top of the seventh inning, Mark Loretta hit a sharp grounder down the first-base line - a potential double.  But the ball caromed off the front of the base and high into the air back toward the path between first and second base.

Mets first baseman Daniel Murphy, running to his left toward the initial path of the ball, reversed himself and broke back to his right. Burnished with backspin, the ball took a short hop to him.  But wait - there's more.

Now running away from first base, Murphy snagged the ball with his bare hand and whipped it behind his back to pitcher Bobby Parnell, running to cover first.  The ball and Parnell arrived at the bag just before Loretta, to his utter amazement (right), and that was that.

I mean, win or lose, I've never seen anything quite like it.

For the Dodgers, it was lose, 5-4 to the Mets. Andre Ethier might have had the most nightmarish game of his career. After striking out to lead off the top of the second inning, Ethier ...

• lined out with the bases loaded (thanks to walks) to end the top of the third 
• flied out with runners on first and second (thanks to walks) to end the top of the fifth
• flied out with a runner on first to end the top of the seventh.
• grounded into a double play with runners on first and second to end the game.

It was the baseball version of the taking-the-SATs-in-your-underwear dream. That Matt Kemp, batting behind Ethier, went 3 for 3 with a walk and a triple only heightened the exposure. Ethier's game was an aberration, but the reasons for Kemp to bat higher than eighth in the lineup became as easy to spot as, well, a guy taking the SATs in his underwear.

The Dodgers, who tied a team record this season for most walks allowed in a nine-inning victory, nearly did the same tonight for most walks taken in a nine-inning loss. They had nine (four by Casey Blake), one shy of the team record last achieved in 2001 against Montreal. It was only the 14th time in 51 seasons that the Dodgers drew at least nine walks in a nine-inning game and lost.

It was close, but even with 18 baserunners, even with Manny Ramirez's ninth-inning homer (left) off Francisco Rodriguez, the Dodgers could not overcome Hiroki Kuroda's shaky outing, Blake's costly third-inning error or Ethier's fruitless bat.  Or, that play.

* * *

• What can you say? Andruw Jones homered as many times in his first three at-bats tonight against the Angels as he did in all of 2008 for the Dodgers. As I write this, he's on deck for the chance to hit his fourth -- and it's only the sixth inning. (As I proofread, he pops out, but he'll still have one more chance.)
• Dodger starting pitchers have the second-highest average game scores in baseball, writes David Pinto at Baseball Musings.
• Ronald Belisario's MRI revealed no structural damage, so his only prescription right now is a week's rest, writes Dylan Hernandez of The Times. He can return from the disabled list July 20.

Photos: Frank Franklin II/AP

Comments

[Tripon]

So is Kuroda just going though his own funk, or is it more worrisome?

[Jonny (TAFKAJ)]

Hey Jon Weisman...
I get home tonight, and my girlfriend (and absolutely huge Dodger fan...also played softball at Cal State Fullerton...knows her stuff) asks me...

"Hey Jonny...how do I get on this blog-thing that you're always looking at?..I'd like to comment on the game tonight."

She's "MJR"....and, I have a feeling I've created a monster.
You see Jon, your blog is getting bigger every day :-)
Jonny (TAFKAJ)

[Jon Weisman]

No reason to think he's hurt that I know of. In his previous three starts, he dominated the White Sox, recovered from a poor inning against Seattle and pitched a solid five against San Diego before faltering. He's been inconsistent - I suppose he could be hiding an injury, but you could speculate that about anyone.

[slipstream]

Kemp batting ahead of Ethier would have changed the outcome of the game tonight.

[Jon Weisman]

Oh, and welcome, MJR!

[Jon Weisman]

Slipstream 9:13 p.m.

Putting aside the Butterfly Effect ...

[Tripon]

I remember him having going through something similar last year.

I agree that its probably not an injury, but I'd still like to see Kuroda become a guy you can count on, instead of wondering which guy shows up.

You know what Wolf can do, what Billingsley can do, and Kershaw can do. I'm just wondering which Kuroda will be on each start at the moment.

[miketink]

Jon: I was going to leave this typo alone but not after you said you proofread. You typed "of" rather than off about Manny's HR. Many thanks for all you do here btw.

[Phenomenal Smith]

Another female commenter? There's only so long I can hold in my gut while I'm commenting.

[Tripon]

Why not just get a bustier, Mr. Phenomenal?

[Neuroboy]

Or, have you heard of "six pack in a spray can?"

[Jonny (TAFKAJ)]

Hey Phenomenal.....nice.

Are you saying that your physique isn't "Phenomenal?"..LOL

[miketink]

Dodger minor league scores today-posting because of the many runs scored: From AAA to AZL: 11-7, 11-5, 3-0, 12-3, 17-1 and last 0-10.

[Gen3Blue]

Thank god for Bellisario! He may be right back. We have a wonderful load of defensive outfielders ranking this way--Kemp, Xpaul, Hoffman,Ethier,Pierre, Manny, I don't feel that bad about any of them although Kemp and Ethier have lasers for arms, and Paul and Hoffman, if they had spent much time in the bigs may have high ratings. I also saw on a couple of plays that Manny might have quite the rifle. Who knows.

[john hale]

With Kids baseball dominating my life seeing Baseball Tonight is pretty rare.

But staring at the wall is better then watching Steve Phillips talk about Clayton Kershaw being traded for Roy Halladay. I know this has been covered to death by Jon and the DT faithful but it doesn't stop being amazing that young Dodger players are treated like this by the national press.

[Tripon]

Steve Philips would trade for Mo Vaughn.

[Alex41592]

That's why he's working for ESPN and talking for a living.

[Brian]

I was at the game tonight and even the old, intoxicated Mets fans sitting next to me were dumbfounded about why a guy batting .309 ("Gentlemen, .309 is only the beginning and let me explain why batting average doesn't tell anywhere near the whole story...") was hitting 8th in the lineup. It's starting to border on lunacy at this point.

[Phenomenal Smith]

Coming up in the 9th: Andruw Jones with a chance for home run #4.

[Tripon]

With Manny playing a full game today, does he get tomorrow off?

[Alex41592]

I do wonder if Kemp batting eighth has hurt him in the voting since people who could vote would see him batting there and assume he's not THAT good.

It's obviously pure speculation but I'm sure some people would look at that and say "Why would a potential All-Star be hitting eighth?".

Victorino bats second, Sandoval third, Reynolds fourth, Guzman sixth and Kemp eighth in their teams respective lineups.

Perception is not reality but to the voters it might be.

[Phenomenal Smith]

And Andruw Jones whiffs at a slider in the dirt to strike out.

[Tripon]

Man, these Howard TVs ads are baaaaaaaaaaad.

[Tripon]

Somebody uploaded the Daniel Murphy play on youtube.

http://tinyurl.com/Mets-Murphy-play

[jasonungar]

ya why would a potential all star, with good power, good batting average, good on base along with speed and a good steal % be batting 8th.

[Jon Weisman]

Thanks, Tripon.

[Craig88USC]

Manny can have Thursday off.
What the heck, everbody can take the day off!

But on Friday report to Miller Park sober and ready to go!

[Tripon]

I should say that I took that off of Diamond, so you should hat tip from him. :)

[Kevin Lewis]

I heard about that play at our softball game tonight, but that was unbelievable.

[fanerman]

I hate the fat man. That is all.

[oshea2002]

that's great news on Belisario

[Tripon]

The Belisario news is good.

And Troncoso and Broxton got some real rest this week.

Troncoso got 3 days off, until he pitched today.

And Broxton will get 3 days off when he pitches tomorrow for the save. :)

[Craig88USC]

Seriously - We kinda need Manny to get his 4 PA's e a c h game from now on as much as possible to extend our lead imho. A seven game lead, while nice is too close for comfort still.

[LASportsCentral.com]

That Murphy play was nothing short of incredible, too bad it came at the expense of the Dodgers.

[Craig88USC]

Tripon - It's looking good this week after all. :).

[dodger tony]

Missed the entire game and haven't seen the Murphy play yet. Sounds like the gypsy curse may have begun to take effect tonight. If we lose the division by one game to the (fill in the blanks), they will look to Eastern Europe and clench their fists at the cruelty of it all.

[mattsd]

I'll skip the standard post-loss complaints tonight and instead just comment on how giddy I am at Matt Kemp's development.

Consider this. Kemp has turned himself into a player that walks at an above average rate. Yes, you heard that right. In 2009, the league average walk rate is 9.3%. Kemp is now up to 9.5%.

When 20 year old Kemp hit 27 homers in the FSL while adding significant post-draft weight, I think a lot of us had pipe dreams that amounted to a guy that could maybe play a passable CF with plus power, or would turn into a typical big hitting corner outfielder.

Things haven't quite gone that direction, but we certainly shouldn't be disappointed. Even playing at 230+ pounds, Matt has maintained his elite speed and is well on his way to establishing himself as an elite defensive CF- something that seemingly everyone thought impossible just 2 years ago.

He is always going to strike out a lot. That is a fact that is probably inescapable for Kemp. But as I stated earlier, that strikeout rate is no longer accompanied by a pathetic walk rate. He has made great leaps each year in the majors so far in that regard, and has taken his plate discipline from Jeff Francouer levels, to an entirely acceptable level. He has turned himself into a player that can maintain an above average OBP even without an unsustainably high BABIP.

Even as his biggest fan, I have serious doubts that he will ever top 30 home runs. His ISO has remained remarkably consistent, even as the rest of his game has flourished. He will probably never appear on leaderboards for homers or slugging percentage. But that should not be taken as damning criticism. Even if Kemp is a finished product, that finished product is one of the finest CFers in the game today.

And he is a 24 year old that is still showing improvement. If he does manage to add serious home run power to his game, we're looking at a guy that would be among the finest players in baseball even if his defensive wizardry turns out to be short lived.

[PeterH]

Kemp is at his best batting 8th. Don't know why that is though. I guess opposing pitchers challenge the number 8 batters less, in general.

[PeterH]

well mattsd, although i really like your comments and praise on matt kemp, the scouts have all said that matt kemp has tremendous power. So i don't know if I can agree with you on how you said that he'll never top 30 homeruns. He's still very young and he has yet to develop, as one major league player put it (don't remember his name), "man-muscles." So hopefully, if Matt Kemp stays with the Dodgers into his early 30s, perhaps we can see his power, plate discipline, and defense.

Joe Torre also said that Matt Kemp was a better RF than a CF. Why is this?

[Sam DC]

Hopefully Dylan Hernandez will read this and realize that the first baseman on that play was not Ryan Church.

[BlueinPhilly]

I guess that I picked the wrong game of the series to drive up to NY for. The new stadium is shiny and needs to be broken in a little, I think that I prefer Citizens Bank Park. Shea in its final years was THE worst stadium in MLB in my opinion (Oakland's tix are at least cheap).

I realize that Ethier's not going to go o-fer with 8 men LOB often...as you said, an abberation. On the other hand, he is hitting about .240 at this point. Certaqinly batting average is not the be all end all, but that's lower than the much maligned Golden God and Furcal. I really hope that he heats back up soon because Torre playing Pierre in center after what Kemp's done this year would make me ill.

[BlueinPhilly]

I guess that I picked the wrong game of the series to drive up to NY for. The new stadium is shiny and needs to be broken in a little, I think that I prefer Citizens Bank Park. Shea in its final years was THE worst stadium in MLB in my opinion (Oakland's tix are at least cheap).

I realize that Ethier's not going to go o-fer with 8 men LOB often...as you said, an abberation. On the other hand, he is hitting about .240 at this point. Certaqinly batting average is not the be all end all, but that's lower than the much maligned Golden God and Furcal. I really hope that he heats back up soon because Torre playing Pierre in center after what Kemp's done this year would make me ill.

[BlueinPhilly]

Also...Loretta should have been called safe, no? When Torre came out to argue, they stopped the replays.

[Paul]

I actually thought last night would have been a good night to give Pierre a start -- instead of Ethier. Ethier has been struggling, and his OPS is .210 points higher vs. righties than lefties (.867 vs .657). Pierre actually does better against lefties than righties. He actually has a .927 OPS vs lefties. I have to think he would have come through in at least one of those situations last night. Of course, he probably would not have batted 7th.

[Chunkdog]

How does Kemp possibly hit so well as a #8 hitter? I thought the so-called experts have taught us that in that position, a player "never gets anything good to hit."

I'll put that analysis right up there with, "The count is 2 and 0, so you know it is HAS to be a fastball" or "He knows he is going to get something good to hit" (if so, how does Oliver Perez walk so many?) Doesn't he know he HAS to throw a strike?

Homage to Phillips, Morgan, et al.

[Marty Leadman]

The first thing I think when I watch Kemp now is Reggie Smith. That wouldn't be bad at all.

[DL]

Orlando Hudson had almost as ugly a game as Ethier. He went 0-5 and left four men on, and just looked hopeless in a couple of at-bats. He's been in a deep slump for a while now. I'm starting to wonder if maybe DeWitt shouldn't be getting a couple of starts in place of our All-Star second baseman.

I honestly think Joe Torre's asinine lineup cost the Dodgers the game last night. The Dodgers had nine hits and nine walks, and that should have translated into more than four runs, even despite Dre and O-Dog's nasty sombreros. Last night was exhibit A for why this Kemp-batting-eighth thing must stop.

[regfairfield]

I've never seen real proof that hitting eighth does anything but increase your intentional walk rate.

[blue22]

Well, Jon, you did your best to bring some sanity to the Kershaw/Billingsley trade discussion over on that NewsVine site. But, alas, some people just won't listen. Billingsley has dominated the National League for 3 years now, and had a good start followed by two bad starts in the playoffs (against the lefty-mashing/WS-winning Phils lineup no less), and suddenly he's a bum that gets the yips in big games.

[Jack]

Hudson is at .285/.352/.412 on the season in 330 ABs. Still ok for a 2nd basemen.

Furcal is at .254/.328/.338.
Not good.

Loretta is at .243/.345/.291
Not good.

This Dodger team really does seem to be performing greater than the sum of their parts. The bullpen I think is the main reason. The 1-run & extra inning records are outstanding.

[Jack]

Troncoso's BABIP against is only .252, he seems to be this year's version of Cory Wade - especially considering the amount of ground balls induced. Grounders are more likely to go for hits than fly balls, and Tron's really bucking the trend.

[Jack]

Kershaw's even better than Tron - at .246.
Only 66 hits allowed in 93.2 IP.

Are Tron & Kershaw getting lucky, or is that the Dodger defense is just that good?

[Harry Dunn]

Tying run on 1st, no outs, ninth inning, runner with average speed on, SLOWEST pitcher in the majors (to the plate of course) on the mound, so called "professional hitter who handles the bat well" up to bat. What do you do: hit & run? straight steal? bunt? How about none of the above? Even with the ESPN hacks practically pushing Blake to 2nd base. OK, now Loretta strikes out (in an AWFUL at bat). Now you have to do something to get the tying run into scoring position, right? Not Joe Torre.

Raise your hand if you didn't see that Ethier double play coming. Anyone?

There should be some rule that prevents a starting pitcher who walks 7 in 5 innings from getting a win. Heres to beating up on big old Livan today.

[Harry Dunn]

Loretta sucks, by the way, in case I forgot to mention it. We need a bat off the bench. Bring Hoffmann back. What is Raul Mondesi up to (about 325, probably)?

[blue22]

Loretta can play all 4 IF positions and hits lefties well. He's a very valuable person off the bench. But, yeah, against Franky last night he looked a little overmatched. What was the bench situation at that point? Why no Loney there?

[Phenomenal Smith]

Why would replacing the team's backup corner infielder with a AAA outfielder be a good thing?

If your first name is Mark and you have a seven letter last name, watch out from the folks here.

[DL]

Sweeney and Loretta had it easy. Just wait until I get started on Mark Sanchez.

[Phenomenal Smith]

But I thought everybody hated everybody on the New York Jets. Aren't New York Jets fans full of self-loathing and hatred like Mets fans?

[Terry A.]

I hated EVERY game show produced by Mark Goodman. Bill Todman rocked, but he absolutely carried that no-account millstone Goodman for years.

[delias man]

Grudzielanek with the sigh of relief.

[Phenomenal Smith]

It's good that the Dodgers didn't acquire Mark Buerhle.

[Phenomenal Smith]

I have no doubts that if Dodger Thoughts were of this size back in the Grudzielanek years with the Dodgers, people would have complained about him endlessly.

[Phenomenal Smith]

Then again, the whole concept of Dodger Thoughts and the Kevin Malone Era is frightening.

[Harry Dunn]

Mark Loretta will be 38 years old next month. He has no power and never had any speed. As far as this "he can play all four positions" I don't want to see him anywhere near the middle infield. As far as "he's our backup corner infielder" DeWitt and Castro can play 3rd. Blake can play first (as could, in a pinch, DeWitt, Castro, Hudson, Martin, Ausmus). We don't need a "backup first baseman." Many teams don't have them.

Hoffmann was just an example. My post was anti-Loretta. If you want a pinch-hitter who should only be used against lefties and should never be starting a game, he's your guy.

Also for the record I hated Mark Sweeney and his Giant heritage. Mark Gubicza was overrated as a pitcher and he's even worse on TV.

[Terry A.]

Bah. The DT community loves Tom Goodwin.

[regfairfield]

To be fair, Grud was so bad with the Dodgers that we had to trade him for Todd Hundley.

How were we supposed to know he'd be productive for the next six years?

[katysdad]

Does anyone (I'm thinking maybe you, Phenomenal) know where I could find Opening Day rosters and all transactions (disabled list, minor league callups, etc.) for the 1995 National League Championship Season? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Deuces are Wild]

Torre had Pierre hitting 9th early in the year. Why not use:

Kemp
Ethier
Manny
Blake
Loney
Martin
Hudson
Pitcher
Furcal

[Jack]

Grud had a good 1999 --> batting .326/.376/.436...

But his OBP the following seasons:
2000-.335
2001-.317
2002-.301

All with minimal power.

He was like the SS version of Juan Pierre.

[DL]

Calling Jets fans "self-loathing" is almost an insult to the concepts of self and loathing.

That makes sense if you stop to make some sense out of it.

[SaMo]

I have to question why Torre didn't sacrifice Blake to second with nobody out in the ninth inning. Or pinch run Castro to steal a base. It's not a second guess, because it was my first reaction. I only started fuming when Martin hit that single, which would have tied the game.

I know the conventional wisdom says play to tie at home and win on the road. But this situation was an exception. The Mets are reeling. If your lights out closer blows a 5-3 lead in the ninth, you're very likely to win a battle of the bullpens in extra innings.

The Mets had gone through their top three relievers in K-Rod, Feliciano, and Parnell. The Dodgers still had Vargas, McDonald, and Broxton left in the pen. And Troncoso could have pitched the ninth.

[regfairfield]

After he went banana last night, Andruw Jones is now having the best offensive season of his career with a .929 OPS.

[Phenomenal Smith]

I'm not saying Mark Loretta is all that great, but it's not like he's a certain Mark S. who played for the Dodgers last year.

And choosing Mark Loretta as the scapegoat for last night's game is odd since Ethier had a far worse game.

The Dodgers are going to need someone to be a backup first baseman.

[fanerman]

=(

[fanerman]

I actually erased all memory of Mark S. that I had to look up who that was to see who Mr. Smith was talking about.

[delias man]

Doug M. will be back before you know it. Dont worry...

[regfairfield]

I'm really sad Russell Branyan is mashing this year because we'd be a great fit for the annual Russell Branyan for a PBTNL trade. Maybe we'll have to settle for Matt Stairs.

[blue22]

"Or pinch run Castro to steal a base."

Juan Castro is 5-for13 in steals for his CAREER. Stunning.

I do agree that maybe a bunt would be in order for Loretta there, with Martin, Ethier, and Kemp coming up next. I just don't really like Loretta in the late innings against a tough right-hander. They probably even dodged a bullet (temporarily) by him avoiding a DP.

[regfairfield]

I think it's time to rename "The Robles" to "The Castro".

[DL]

I had completely forgotten Doug Mienkteiv-- Mintkiew-- Mientkiv-- Eyechart was on the team. Has there been any word on his status? I remember people were initially talking about an August or September return.

[Marty Leadman]

I hated EVERY game show produced by Mark Goodman

I had other reasons to hate Mark Goodman. He owned a newspaper I once worked at and was universally loathed.

[Gen3Blue]

Deuces @9:46

Why not use:?

Because with the possible exception of the pitcher batting 8th it seems way too logical to appeal to Torre's notions about tradiditional line-ups!

[Phenomenal Smith]

Track down Mientkiewicz at
http://twitter.com/Dougiebaseball

[DL]

Who would win in a fight between Doug Mientkiewicz and Mark Grudzielanek? More importantly, how many innocent consonants would be killed?

[Craig88USC]

Our hottest hitter of late (Mr. Second Half himself) batting 9th??? It must not stand!

...just kidding with ya ; )

[underdog]

I can't really understand criticizing Mark Loretta, though I do agree he's more useful in general as a bench player and pinch hitter. But I'm glad he's on the Dodgers. I was not glad Mark Sweeney was.

Btw, I watched the game late last night via Tivo (and I guess it's good it didn't go to extra innings since my recording ran out right at the very end), and if nothing else it was good to see K-Rod struggle. Oliver Perez was painful to watch. It was frustrating that Kuroda also struggled.

But as for the play Jon wrote about above, it was pretty amazing, and I understand Loretta being confused as to what the heck had just happened (until Blake later reenacted it for him). And I really thought he was safe, too, though replays made it look like a tie or that he was a nanosecond out. Tough to call him safe in that respect. Of course then ESPN replayed it about 50 times that game.

[DL]

If Jarrod Saltalamacchia got involved, half the alphabet might be wiped out.

[Craig88USC]

Psychologically I could use another outstanding performance tonight from the Wolfman.

DODGERS 53-31 (102.2 win pace)

NL Next 7 -

San Frisco 46-38 . 7
Philadelphia 44-38 . 8
JTs Colorado 45-39 . 8
St Louis Cards 46-40 . 8
MilwaukeeBeers 44-40 . 9
FLA. Margaritaville 44-42 .10
Chicago MBradleys 41-41 .11

[underdog]

Btw, O'Brien and Sutcliffe on ESPN last night are far less enervating than Phillips/Morgan but they covered some of the same tired territory about Manny, Pierre, Kemp's 5 tools, pitchers not going deep enough in games (and of course Kuroda didn't help the cause there). Whatever, but some new material might be nice, guys.

[underdog]

I still think Kemp batting 8th is simple:

He's doing really well batting 8th, and not as well in other spots in the line-up.

I've said before I still don't agree with this per se, but I understand the logic behind it.

He had another good night in that spot and scored a run after a sacrifice and Raffy hit. It's going to be hard to convince Joe that it's wrong if it doesn't seem on the surface as if he's doing better there. All that said, I'd still move him up. With Hudson struggling big time right now, I'd move Kemp to #2 and have Hudson at 8.

But I dont think it's all that complicated or lunatic as to why he's still there.

[Craig88USC]

...just keep the Halladay talk flowin' though. : o

What's up Doc?

[Tripon]

To just claim that Kemp is doing really well in the 8th spot, and not others seems a bit premature.

He only got a couple of starts outside of the 7th and 8th spot. So if he had a couple of bad guys, it'll stick out more due to small sample size.

[cargill06]

Allow me to vent guys.

Kershaw was brought up on our fantasy message board and these two comments were brought up.

1. Kershaw is to stupid to ever be a #1 starter.

2. Kershaw is another Carmona, no control and once the league figures him out he'll be expletive.

[Bob Hendley]

If M. Belanger hadn't wasted and RBI in the 15-2 wasting of the Giants on Oct 2, 1982, and, instead, saved it for the next day, we would have lost to the Giants 5-4 rather than 5-3 on the JM dinger. So, I figure he's got it coming.

[SaMo]

Next year's Scripps National Selling Bee championship will feature a charity softball game in which participants are required to fill out the following scorecard.

Jhonny Peralta SS
Jarrod Saltalamacchia C
Doug Mientkiewicz 1B
Micah Hoffpauir LF
Nate Schierholtz RF
Chone Figgins 3B
Nyjer Morgan CF
Akinori Iwamura 2B
Marc Rzepczynski P

[regfairfield]

I really, really want to know where "Kershaw is too stupid" came from.

[Craig88USC]

Sounds like something out of pure fantasy. And kinda mean too.

[underdog]

tripon, I basically said he's doing well in the 8th spot, and not as well in other spots -- yes agreed, he's not getting as many opps this season (he had more last year) to bat in other spots so it's not necessarily a fair comparison. Again I don't agree with it but just trying to explain Joe's logic. (For what it's worth.) I still think he should be batting 2nd right now, ahead of Raffy and behind Manny.

[cargill06]

Reg,

Who knows.

[cargill06]

Reg,

Who knows.