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Monster Mash: Shroud of Turin controversy; Green Day revisits hit single; new curator at Whitney

November 20, 2009 |  8:59 am

Turin -- Real or fake?: A researcher claims to have discovered text that authenticates the Shroud of Turin. (Forbes)

-- Back in the studio: The rock band Green Day is recording a new version of its hit song "21 Guns" with the cast of the stage musical "American Idiot." (Playbill)

-- New job: Scott Rothkopf will leave his position as senior editor of Artforum to become a curator at the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York. (New York Times)

-- Tooting his horn: Composer Edward Elgar ("Pomp and Circumstance") was apparently a terrible trombone player. (The Independent)

-- High-tech: Two instruments that were aboard the Hubble Space Telescope go on display at the National Air and Space Museum and are scheduled to tour California. (BBC News)

-- Antitrust: Ambassador Theatre Group’s purchase of Live Nation’s UK theaters is being investigated by Britain's Office of Fair Trading. (The Stage News)

-- For the kids: Oxford will be getting a new children's museum dedicated to the art of storytelling. (The Guardian)

-- Art in motion: New York's Metrocard becomes art, sort of. (New York Times)

-- And in the L.A. Times: Times music critic Mark Swed reviews Philip Glass's latest opera; theater critic Charles McNulty reviews "Equivocation" at the Geffen Playhouse.

-- David Ng

Photo: an image of the Shroud of Turin. Credit: Ellen Jaskol / For The Times

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With regard to the latest news about the Shroud of Turin, involving words in ancient Greek and Aramaic possibly discernible on it, we need to realize that even if the claim proves false, that wouldn't invalidate the possible authenticity of the Shroud itself. Scientists and other researchers over the years have claimed to see images of various items (coins, flowers, nails, etc.) on the Shroud, besides its image of a crucified man. They may or may not be there. But even if not, a strong case can still be made for the Shroud being of 1st century origin and even being the burial shroud of Jesus. One doesn't have to be a Christian to accept that. I'm not, but I am a Shroud believer.

Jump in' jesus holy cow! What's the difference anyhow?

A big one if you knew anything about art history. Yeshua was always shown as a young man before teh times of this shroud appearing, clean shaven and short hair cut, like a European. After this, all Byzantine and even those of the Roman church began showing him as an older man with long hair and ful beard. Looks rather like Bin Laden, dont you think? They are both Semites, brothers, and he certainly would have looked more like a Saudi than the Italian or German we usually have in churches now. He was brown, not white.

Thanks for the sermon/lecture, even though I didn't ask for it or need it. I was commenting on the story about composer Edward Elgar not being able to play the trombone. It was funny. Come on and lighten up, Donald Frazell. Why so serious? (My dad once asked the same question of Sylvia Plath when he met her sailing with a group of young students on the QE ocean liner on the way to England.) Something about the tone of your words tells me you need to smile more, Donald Frazell. And smile with your eyes.

My eyes often smile, when coaching basketball, teaching kids chess, knowing my wife, listening to all the CDs I have bought lately(Miles, Coltrane, Stevie Wonder, my girl Tricia Tahara)and when viewing great art. Something my eyes have been full of tears lately, or loud and racaus laugher, gotta laugh or cry, all the same with the spoiled milk of rotten babes.

You dont need a lecture, but prozac, as the only comment had been about the Shroud, and no way to tell what the hell you were talking about, if that is ever possible. What does a silly composer who couldnt play trombone have to do with Yeshua?

“Uh”, stop being such a crank, Donald Frazell. Your angry turns of phrase, insults and mean jabs once hurt my feelings, but now they’re nothing but limp and empty ineffectual rants. When are you going to realize that you can’t beat down a person who’s filled with a peaceful, enduring spirit? You even go so far as to condescendingly push drugs on me, like a pharmaceutical ad for one of those big drug companies that pays big money to shove themselves down the American people’s throats at every TV commercial break. That is a pathetic way to address someone or start a debate.

If I can gain any constructive criticism from your insults, I will admit that I should have been specific about which article I was commenting on. I was overzealous and just burst out with my gut-feeling response about the Edward Elgar article, not realizing it would be related to the first comment on the Shroud of Turin. I made my comment in pure emotion, without thinking and reasoning first. I apologize to John Loken for that, as I did not intend to detract from his expression of an opinion on the Shroud of Turin.

As for the shroud , my comment about the Elgar story actually ties in loosely with my thoughts on the issue of whether or not the shroud is real or fake. I think it is probably a fake, but I do not rule out continued scientific study on it. I’m not sure how science could ever determine that it was specifically Jesus’ shroud. Some people want to hang onto the shroud like a security blanket, as if their faith depended upon its authenticity. My Christian faith is my perception of the truth. A person of another faith or belief system has his or her own perception. Neither perception makes the shroud ‘real’ or ‘fake’. Scientific evidence is still being gathered on it, and even the scientists (from both camps) have their own ways of manipulating the data to suit their own agenda.

The shroud itself and its authenticity are a non-factors for me, because even if it is ever proven scientifically to be the burial shroud of Jesus, it would have no more value to me than my dad’s old shirt that hangs in my closet. The shirt is a relic, a reminder of him. It is of this world, and no longer significantly connected to the spirit of the man I still love and admire.

Enough with cranks like Frazell. Let’s talk about a corkscrew-shaped museum and how it can open a mind that is still filled with sublime thoughts, waiting to be shared like a fine wine.


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