IRAN: Former German official says war imminent
An opinion piece by the former German foreign minister published today in a leading Middle East paper says that Israel is planning to attack Iran over its nuclear program.
Joschka Fischer, German's top diplomat from 1998 to 2005, is a visiting scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.
[UPDATE, June 2, 3 p.m. PST: Fischer was actually a fellow at Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University, not at WWICS]
He wrote a piece that appeared in today's Daily Star, an English-language Lebanese newspaper, arguing that President Bush's recent visit to the Middle East was a precursor to a war on Iran's nuclear program:
The Middle East is drifting toward a new great confrontation in 2008. Iran must understand that without a diplomatic solution in the coming months, a dangerous military conflict is very likely to erupt. It is high time for serious negotiations to begin.
Fischer said Bush's speech during his address to the Israeli Knesset, or parliament, this month indicated a coming Israeli-U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear program:
He seemed to be planning, together with Israel, to end the Iranian nuclear program -- and to do so by military, rather than by diplomatic, means.... Although it is acknowledged in Israel that an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would involve grave and hard-to-assess risks, the choice between acceptance of an Iranian bomb and an attempt at its military destruction, with all the attendant consequences, is clear. Israel won't stand by and wait for matters to take their course.
Fischer, former leader of Germany's Green Party, was one of the key diplomats involved in assessing Iran's nuclear facilities and pressuring Tehran for a temporary halt of its uranium enrichment program from 2003 to 2005, when he left office.
His piece was the talk of the town in Beirut. It stunned some abroad, as well. Conservative blogger Don Surber writes:
I had hoped that reasonable minds would by now have resolved this situation amicably and without violence. When a lefty like Fischer doubts that can happen, I worry.
—Borzou Daragahi in Beirut
Photo: Joschka Fischer. Credit: Andrzej Barabasz / Wikimedia Commons
Rabbit:
Next time you want to claim that Iran is and always has been compliant with the IAEA, read some news:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jDX7WqHBCKf4JrBmHq5QznT96kZw
This directly contradicts three years of public statements from your beloved President Ahminejad.
Posted by: c-t-m | June 03, 2008 at 01:03 PM
Wow, Rabbit... now you are just sadly funny and desperate.
You are a liar, racist and propagandist. You are either a virulent anti-Semite or just the most willfully miseducated person on these boards.
Your recounting of history are simply lies. You cannot even make up your mind if soldiers were kidnapped. Apparently you don't even read statement from the terrorists you rant so hard to protect, when they admit taking them.
Israel is the aggressor nation in Lebanon? What an absolute lie! Hizbollah were the forces hiding among civilians and launching rockets into civilian targets - something they do to this day. Lebanon has abandoned their own territory to these terrorists, cowards who have to hide behind women and children so they can launch bombs at other women and children. And somehow you want to defend them and blame the nation who is being attacked.
Your statements about thermite, copperplate and plastique is also just plain wrong. You obviously have no idea about... well, anything. Mined elements around the world have a very unique atomic makeup reflecting the particular region they are mined and processed in, and no two are ever alike. It's not representative of just nations, but different factories and different mountains within the same range, even. The right analysis shows where things were made, and Iran is making and then supplying bombs to Iraqi insurgents.
Do you have any clue at all what you are writing, any understand of science or history, or is your hatred making you more blind and more stupid every day? Sadly, that seems to be a rhetorical question in your case.
I just don't know if you hate education or only Jews, but your rantings - your lies - show your true motivation. You will spend more of your effort rationalizing Iran and the mullahs than you will confronting facts.
Anything you say simply has to be discounted by any rational person.
Posted by: c-t-m | June 03, 2008 at 12:41 PM
C-D-M
Israel is an aggressor nation! The last time they attacked a nation was Lebanon last year and the ridiculous claim that Hisb Allah “kidnapped” two Israel girl scouts, was NOT a humane excuse to wage a blitzkrieg against civilians.
Most people don’t know that when the inevitable Arab-Israeli war of 1948 broke out, the Zionist army consisted of over 90,000 European-trained soldiers and possessed modern weaponry, including up-to-date fighter and bomber airplanes, while the Arab forces, very much a third-world army, consisted of approximately 30,000 ill-equipped, poorly trained men, leaving the outcome in little doubt. History shows that Israel started that war also. History you see tends to ignore what the aggressors set up to fool people at the time and add that fact to the historical record. SO we know how Israel started that war too.
The Jewish community in Iran is older than the phoney one in Israel and they are living contentedly despite many attempts to bribe them to leave by the Jewish Diaspora. The embarrassment which the Iranian Jewish community causes the Zionists is well known. Any garbage confused ideas of 1930s caliphates when the USA and Britain were interfering with their internal politics are quite disingenuous.
Iran, has in fact NO argument with the rest of the world, but the USA and Israel are doing their very best to create problems, and the whole world is watching this. We are not impressed, which is why the USA and Israel are the two most hated and distrusted countries worldwide, NOT Iran despite the endless media lies against Iran. Sorry to burst your bubble, but American propaganda stops at the border. In Australia despite a less than ideal press we do at least get enough truth that most people could recognise the lies which are dripping from your post like melting ice-cream.
SAM s (Surface to Air Missiles) are portable and they were provided by the USA to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and thus turned the tide of the war against the USSR. I referred to verifiable history for the example and you just told a bare faced lie in order to try and negate the very damning fact. Who has problems smuggling, do you think that every inch of the border is being watched do you? You are reaching into far land for your prevarications now.
Thermite, copper plate and plastique do not have to be smuggled over borders. They are all easily made or found in ANY country which has evolved beyond the stone age. The whole argument that ANY of the very simple weapons being used by the Iraqi resistance are anything but locally available just makes anyone who makes it look like complete idiots.
Some of this may have repeated if so I apologise to others, I have had some trouble getting the comment to upload and it might have duplicated.
Posted by: Rabbit | June 03, 2008 at 06:44 AM
Hey, C-D-M
Your lies have been sorted out here as can be seen.
Repeated slander as you have done, is still only slander.
Iran is 100% in compliance with the IAEA, and the USA nor Israel is NOT, that is a fact and NO amount of claims to the contrary changes that. New phoney demands which do not have a part in the IAEA rules do not count however showing their good will, the Iranians have complied with most of them. The most intrusive inspections in history actually. When do you think Israel will be allowing inspections of their nuclear facilities then?
Your claims about me being Persian and the phoney rubbish about syntax just shows what a liar and a bigot you are. In fact I am a Caucasian Australian of Scottish extraction, you horrible, bigoted ignorant person. Interesting misdirection INDEED!!! I made a precise and accurate translation of Ahmadi Nejad’s words, without embellishment, what exactly about that do you have a problem with? You wanted me to alter his actual words to fit the lie maybe?
My comment about where Iraqi RESISTANCE are getting their arms from is based on REASON and LOGIC which is self evident. Your claim that no Iraqi factory has ever made a copper plate projective (how childish, this is nothing like what they are, but I’ll go with your kindy words) is utterly ludicrous. I can make perfectly functional armour piercing projectile mines in my workshop, which is just peripheral to a plastics manufacturing concern. Are you telling us that Iraq was living in the stone age before the USA invaded are you? Because any metal workshop could produce the devices you are trying to kid yourself with here.
Any claims that Iraqi resistance are getting their weapons from Iran is a bold faced lie actually and given a chance to prove it recently the US military cancelled the press conference after realising that of all the so called Iranian weapons they were going to display and destroy, NONE OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY IRANIAN WEAPONS. So far there is NO evidence at all that Iran is supplying the resistance and in fact it is an insane idea since they support the US backed government actually.
You are telling us there is such a thing as Iranian Copper are you? I wish you could see how insane you seem to rational people. Forged documents trying to show Iranian wrong doing are not convincing anybody except people like yourself, CDM who only seek confirmation for their delusions and are prepared to believe any un-sourced claims if nothing else arises. Your lot were very keen on the WMDs from Iraq too as I recall, even though every rational person and organisation was saying that NO evidence existed at all and that what the USA/Israel was spouting off about was false. Once again we see the same game, only this time the costumes have rally begun to seem threadbare and the plot is just too over done, it isn't remotely convincing anymore. Sequels always suck, haven't you learned anything from Hollywood?.
Posted by: Rabbit | June 03, 2008 at 06:41 AM
Hey, C-D-M
Your lies have been sorted out here as can be seen.
Repeated slander as you have done, is still only slander.
Iran is 100% in compliance with the IAEA, and the USA nor Israel is NOT, that is a fact and NO amount of claims to the contrary changes that. New phoney demands which do not have a part in the IAEA rules do not count however showing their good will, the Iranians have complied with most of them. The most intrusive inspections in history actually. When do you think Israel will be allowing inspections of their nuclear facilities then?
Your claims about me being Persian and the phoney rubbish about syntax just shows what a liar and a bigot you are. In fact I am a Caucasian Australian of Scottish extraction, you horrible, bigoted ignorant person. Interesting misdirection INDEED!!! I made a precise and accurate translation of Ahmadi Nejad’s words, without embellishment, what exactly about that do you have a problem with? You wanted me to alter his actual words to fit the lie maybe?
My comment about where Iraqi RESISTANCE are getting their arms from is based on REASON and LOGIC which is self evident. Your claim that no Iraqi factory has ever made a copper plate projective (how childish, this is nothing like what they are, but I’ll go with your kindy words) is utterly ludicrous. I can make perfectly functional armour piercing projectile mines in my workshop, which is just peripheral to a plastics manufacturing concern. Are you telling us that Iraq was living in the stone age before the USA invaded are you? Because any metal workshop could produce the devices you are trying to kid yourself with here.
Any claims that Iraqi resistance are getting their weapons from Iran is a bold faced lie actually and given a chance to prove it recently the US military cancelled the press conference after realising that of all the so called Iranian weapons they were going to display and destroy, NONE OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY IRANIAN WEAPONS. So far there is NO evidence at all that Iran is supplying the resistance and in fact it is an insane idea since they support the US backed government actually.
You are telling us there is such a thing as Iranian Copper are you? I wish you could see how insane you seem to rational people. Forged documents trying to show Iranian wrong doing are not convincing anybody except morons like yourself, CDM.
Israel is an aggressor nation? The last time they atacked a nation was Lebanon last year and the ridiculous claim that HisbAllah “kidnapped” two Israel girl scouts, was NOT a humane excuse to wage a blitzkrieg against civilians.
Most people don’t know that when the inevitable Arab-Israeli war of 1948 broke out, the Zionist army consisted of over 90,000 European-trained soldiers and possessed modern weaponry, including up-to-date fighter and bomber airplanes, while the Arab forces, very much a third-world army, consisted of approximately 30,000 ill-equipped, poorly trained men, leaving the outcome in little doubt. History shows that Israel started that war also. History you see tends to ignore what the aggressors set up to fool people at the time and add that fact to the historical record. SO we know how Israel started that war too.
The Jewish community in Iran is older than the phoney one in Israel and they are living contentedly despite many attempts to bribe them to leave by the Jewish Diaspora. The embarrassment which the Iranian Jewish community causes the Zionists is well known. Any garbage confused ideas of 1930s caliphates when the USA and Britain were interfering with their internal politics are quite disingenuous.
Iran, has in fact NO argument with the rest of the world, but the USA and Israel are doing their very best to create problems, and the whole world is watching this. We are not impressed, which is why the USA and Israel are the two most hated and distrusted countries worldwide, NOT Iran despite the endless media lies against Iran. Sorry to burst your bubble, but American propaganda stops at the border. In Australia despite a less than ideal press we do at least get enough truth that most people could recognise the lies which are dripping from your post like melting ice-cream.
SAM s (Surface to Air Missiles) are portable and they were provided by the USA to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and thus turned the tide of the war against the USSR. I referred to verifiable history for the example and you just told a bare faced lie in order to try and negate the very damning fact. Who has problems smuggling, do you think that every inch of the border is being watched do you? You are reaching into far land for your prevarications now.
Thermite, copper plate and plastique do not have to be smuggled over borders. They are all easily made or found in ANY country which has evolved beyond the stone age. The whole argument that ANY of the very simple weapons being used by the Iraqi resistance are anything but locally available just makes anyone who makes it look like complete idiots.
Posted by: Rabbit | June 03, 2008 at 06:31 AM
Hey, C-D-M
Your lies have been sorted out here as can be seen.
Repeated slander as you have done, is still only slander.
Iran is 100% in compliance with the IAEA, and the USA nor Israel is NOT, that is a fact and NO amount of claims to the contrary changes that. New phoney demands which do not have a part in the IAEA rules do not count however showing their good will, the Iranians have complied with most of them. The most intrusive inspections in history actually. When do you think Israel will be allowing inspections of their nuclear facilities then?
Your claims about me being Persian and the phoney rubbish about syntax just shows what a liar and a bigot you are. In fact I am a Caucasian Australian of Scottish extraction, you horrible, bigoted ignorant person. Interesting misdirection INDEED!!! I made a precise and accurate translation of Ahmadi Nejad’s words, without embellishment, what exactly about that do you have a problem with? You wanted me to alter his actual words to fit the lie maybe?
My comment about where Iraqi RESISTANCE are getting their arms from is based on REASON and LOGIC which is self evident. Your claim that no Iraqi factory has ever made a copper plate projective (how childish, this is nothing like what they are, but I’ll go with your kindy words) is utterly ludicrous. I can make perfectly functional armour piercing projectile mines in my workshop, which is just peripheral to a plastics manufacturing concern. Are you telling us that Iraq was living in the stone age before the USA invaded are you? Because any metal workshop could produce the devices you are trying to kid yourself with here.
Any claims that Iraqi resistance are getting their weapons from Iran is a bold faced lie actually and given a chance to prove it recently the US military cancelled the press conference after realising that of all the so called Iranian weapons they were going to display and destroy, NONE OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY IRANIAN WEAPONS. So far there is NO evidence at all that Iran is supplying the resistance and in fact it is an insane idea since they support the US backed government actually.
You are telling us there is such a thing as Iranian Copper are you? I wish you could see how insane you seem to rational people. Forged documents trying to show Iranian wrong doing are not convincing anybody except morons like yourself, CDM.
Israel is an aggressor nation? The last time they atackedf a nation was Lebanon last year and the ridicule;ous excuse that HisbAllah “kidnapped” two Israel girl scouts, was NOT a humane excuse to wage a blitzkrieg against civilians.
Most people don’t know that when the inevitable Arab-Israeli war of 1948 broke out, the Zionist army consisted of over 90,000 European-trained soldiers and possessed modern weaponry, including up-to-date fighter and bomber airplanes, while the Arab forces, very much a third-world army, consisted of approximately 30,000 ill-equipped, poorly trained men, leaving the outcome in little doubt. History shows that Israel started that war also. History you see tends to ignore what the aggressors set up to fool people at the time and add that fact to the historical record. SO we know how Israel started that war too.
The Jewish community in Iran is older than the phoney one in Israel and they are living contentedly despite many attempts to bribe them to leave by the Jewish Diaspora. The embarrassment which the Iranian Jewish community causes the Zionists is well known. Any garbage confused ideas of 1930s caliphates when the USA and Britain were interfering with their internal politics are quite disingenuous.
Iran, has in fact NO argument with the rest of the world, but the USA and Israel are doing their very best to create problems, and the whole world is watching this. We are not impressed, which is why the USA and Israel are the two most hated and distrusted countries worldwide, NOT Iran despite the endless media lies against Iran. Sorry to burst your bubble, but American propaganda stops at the border. In Australia despite a less than ideal press we do at least get enough truth that most people could recognise the lies which are dripping from your post like melting ice-cream.
SAM s (Surface to Air Missiles) are portable and they were provided by the USA to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and thus turned the tide of the war against the USSR. I referred to verifiable history for the example and you just told a bare faced lie in order to try and negate the very damning fact. Who has problems smuggling, do you think that every inch of the border is being watched do you? You are reaching into far land for your prevarications now.
Thermite, copper plate and plastique do not have to be smuggled over borders. They are all easily made or found in ANY country which has evolved beyond the stone age. The whole argument that ANY of the very simple weapons being used by the Iraqi resistance are anything but locally available just makes anyone who makes it look like complete idiots.
Posted by: Rabbit | June 03, 2008 at 06:17 AM
I lost most of this, but will repeat much of it later.
@c-t-m
Israel has stolen and stolen and it continues to steal, Muslims are NOT a monolithic entity, and presenting them as such just shows the paucity of honesty and intention to speak truthfully in anyone who speaks on behalf of the Zionist cause.
The Six Day war was started by virtue of False Flags and claims by the real aggressor, as always. Virtually every detail about that war has been misrepresented by the Zionists ever since.
Most people don’t know that when the inevitable Arab-Israeli war of 1948 broke out, the Zionist army consisted of over 90,000 European-trained soldiers and possessed modern weaponry, including up-to-date fighter and bomber airplanes, while the Arab forces, very much a third-world army, consisted of approximately 30,000 ill-equipped, poorly trained men, leaving the outcome in little doubt. For th true causes and behind the scenes manipulations of that war, we need a lot more space, but suffice it to say, the same enemy of mankind was at the root of that as in most wars of modern history. Zionism.
What Persian Caliphate in the late 1930s who forcibly relocated Jews to what is now Israel,???
There was no such thing and you are a disgusting liar to create such an invention out of nowhere. I would prefer to talk about the Jewish Bolsheviks who murdered 20 million Christians in Russia in the Jewish inspired communist revolution. However if you wish to try and falsley claim that Jews suffer any great persecution in Iran then I must repeat you are a vile liar,. The Iranian/Persian Jewish community has an unbroken history, far longer than the fake Israel and they live in peace and refuse to relocate despite massive pressure from the Jewish Diaspora, who need the Iranian Jews to be gone because their existence makes a LIE out of the Zionist claims that Iran is anti JEWISH!!!
Does your adherence to Zionist lies make you so irrational that you cannot even keep straight who was responsible for the so called Holocaust of Jews in WWII?
Iran, in short, has NO argument with the rest of the world. That is an illusion that lying Israelis and Amerikans are trying to sell, but NOBODY is buying it, sorry. Iran is a reliable and honest trading partner. They do not start wars or demand that we engage in them. Frankly the majority of the world lists the USA and Israel as the greatest threats to world peace and Iran barely comes in third despite the endless and gross lies told by your bunch of slobbering liars who set the tone of the media as well as the politics spewing forth from your two vile and much hated nations of hubris and hate.
Shoulder fired SAMs are not a big deal you liar. They were provided to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan by the CIA and thus truned the tide of the war against the USSR. I am referring to recent history when I describe the outcome of supplying SAMs to insurgents and your attempt to ignore history and leapfrog over the obvious truth suggests you are not merely an ill informed person bu7t in fact a deliberate liar. A shill in THE USUAL TERMS.
You say: " Thermite, copper plate and plastique are easy to smuggle over borders, and so that is what they resort to. "
YOU ARE SURELY AN IDIOT OR A GROSS LIAR. ALL of these things exist within the borders of any nation. I just made thermite from waste in my factory, ( I am a professional pyrotechnician) you must think we are IDIOTS to believe that NOBODY inside Iraq knew how to use a lathe or perhaps form a bit of copper. Plastique? How much would you like? I can make about five kilos a day and that is just buying ingredients over the counter and NOT attracting attention. So you reckon that Iraq is so trashed that there isn't even the most basic industrial products on the planet available anymore?
Posted by: Rabbit | June 03, 2008 at 05:52 AM
Oh and C-T-M, none of those quotes by Ahmadi Nejad which you provided amounted to threats, did that escape your notice?
There have however been so many threats of violence, even nuclear threats by the USA and Israel against Iran that for me to even produce a few as examples seems facetious.
Please produce ONE clear threat by Iran against Israel, so far you have only included a few statements about Zionism which MANY people including NON- Muslims like me agree completely with.
Posted by: Rabbit | June 03, 2008 at 05:52 AM
If you want to lie about translations, go ahead, but here are Ahmadinejad quotes, translated by El Arabia and al Jazeera:
May 14, 2008
“The Zionist regime is dying. The criminals imagine that by holding celebrations ... they can save the Zionist regime from death. They should know that regional nations hate this fake and criminal regime and if the smallest and briefest chance is given to regional nations they will destroy (it).”
June 3, 2007
"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."
August 2, 2006
"Are they human beings?... They (Zionists) are a group of blood-thirsty savages putting all other criminals to shame."
June 16, 2006
"If it is true, then the response to this (Jewish) question should not be solved in Palestine."
Posted by: c-t-m | June 02, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Hey, Rabbit... eloquent propaganda is still propaganda. The fact you have taken so much care to craft a response elevates you from mistaken to deception.
Iran is NOT in compliance with the IAEA, or the troupe would have allowed inspection of the rod manufacturing plants. Even Blix has said that Iran is being deceptive, and the inspections allowed are selective at best... that is, they are hiding something.
Interesting misdirecdtion you chose about Ahmadi Nejad - and even your syntax exposes you. You are most likely Persian, or Persian-educated as you utilized the classical syntax and syllables of his name (which makes you either a propagandist, sympathizer or participant). You are also being highly selective, at the very least. You have ignored his calls for the destruction of Israel and ignored rather plain colloquial speech about killing Jews who exist where he does not want them. He and his party have taught two generations of Iranians in their official textbooks that Jews are kin to pigs and dogs. Do you challenge this?
Furthermore, your comments about where Iraqi insurgents are getting arms is a bold-faced LIE. Yes, I will not mince words, you are a LIAR. No Iraqi factory has ever made copper-plate projective bombs, and forensics on the devices used show conclusively that the elemental makeup of the copper is from Iranian plants. Iranian officers were killed in the Hizbollah war in Lebanon, leading guerilla fighters. (They were not there on leave, but assignment.) Iranian military maps and documents have been found repeatedly in obliterated Iraqi insurgent strongholds.
Israel is an aggressor nation? Define one time when Israel invaded someone else without being attacked? You can't. Israel has given back land to the Palestinians three times, each time with the promise by the Palestinians that the area would not be used for attacks, and three times the Palestinians have gone back on their word - and they are applauded by the Middle East Muslim nations each time. As such, Muslim promises have been proven again and again to be worthless. And Iran just funnels more and more money and weapons and training to Hizbollah.
Even the Six Day War was started by others, Egypt and Jordan and Syria. Most of the Middle Eastern nations are embarassed to this day that a "sleeping" nation kicked their collective butts.
Do you wish to explain the Persian Caliphate in the late 1930s who forcibly relocated Jews to what is now Israel, for the sole purpose of trading them to Hitler? Or does your adherence to Persian Lies And Glory prohibit your from reading a real history book?
Iran, in short, may have an argument with the rest of the world, but they are moral hyporcrites and absolute cowards for resorting to terror and terror support.
SAM (Surface to Air Missiles) are a large rig and difficult to smuggle into Iraq, easy to spot by our satellites and patrols. But Iran has massed a significant number of them in Bachtaran and Ahvaz, rather large amounts of them far beyond what a standard defensive deployment would call for. Thermite, copper plate and plastique are easy to smuggle over borders, and so that is what they resort to.
Furthermore, the arming is part of the coward's game. Until they have a nuclear capability, Iran know they cannot win a conventional war, so they choose to harass and terrorize rather than confront. They do not negotiate (and not just with Bush, but anyone) as they have an absolutist view on everything from their moral purpose to their silly cultish Mahdi following.
But what can you expect from a nation and government who built their anti-western stance on kidnapping hostages in 1980 for 444 days? Thugs and cowards will always be thugs and cowards, even when they are called President or Ayatollah.
Posted by: c-t-m | June 02, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Lame Cherry is a perfect example of what's wrong with this country.
The government IS NOT the country. Criticizing the government DOES NOT mean you "hate" America. Get it doofus?
The US government is the biggest threat to America that exist in this world, NOT Iran
I'll give the Iranians one thing, at least they have a government that is actually FOR its own people. Unlike America that has a government who's primary concern is Israel and globalization.
Ken
www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com
Posted by: Ken | June 02, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Iran has not attacked anyone or even threatened any other nation for more than 1000 years. It is not a threat to state one's intention to strike back if attacked which is the only sort of "threat" made by Iran or its leaders.
Many people, those who are informed at least are very disgusted with the huge circle jerk LIE that President Ahmadi Nejad of Iran ever did threaten Israel or even threaten to "Wipe Israel off the map"
Ahmadi Nejad NEVER said 'wipe Israel off the map" Here is the actual quote:
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
Word by word translation:
Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).
Can't we ever be honest. Here is link:
http://democracyrising.us/content/view/736/164/
He also used examples such as the fall of the Shah in Iran and the former USSR in connection with the statement which proves the context was historical NOT a military threat.
NOW you know and if you who read this ever say again that Ahmadi Nejad threatened to wipe Israel off the map, you are lying through your teeth and even if lots of people tell the same lie, it is still a stinking lie.
Iran is a signatory of the NPT and is fully in compliance with all rules and inspection criteria from the IAEA even accepting many of the most stringent new inspection demands of history. The USA is in breach of ALL of its primary responsibilities under the NPT and it demands and gets special status which exempts it from even the usual IAEA inspection rules. Israel, a KNOWN Nuclear power and known aggressor nation with a history of threats against any and all it takes a dislike to, (which is any and all who don't bow down or turn a blind eye to their human rights abuses). Israel is not an NPT signatory nor does it take any notice of the IAEA.
There are now some of the most feeble lies ever told to try and slander another country in the service of drumming up lust for war among the dumbest people on the planet, Amerikans. Iran is supposedly at fault for the US failure to secure Iraq.
The Shi'ite militias and the Sunni insurgents are armed with weapons available from the unsecured weapon stockpiles of Saddam Hussein's army. If Iran were arming Iraqis, the Iraqi insurgents and militias would have armor-piercing rocket-propelled grenades and surface-to-air missiles. These two weapons would neutralize the US advantage by enabling Iraqis to destroy US helicopter gunships, aircraft and tanks. The Iraqis cannot mass their forces as they have no weapons against US air power. To destroy US tanks, Iraqis have to guess the roads US vehicles will travel and bury bombs constructed from artillery shells. The inability to directly attack armor and to defend against air attack denies offensive capability to Iraqis.
If the Iranians desired to arm Iraqis, they obviously would provide these two weapons that would change the course of the war.
Posted by: Rabbit | June 02, 2008 at 08:31 PM
Americans here are so disinformed. IAEA has full access to Iranian facilities and Iran is an NPT signator. They haven every right to enrich fuel. There is no proof of any WMD programs in Iran.
Situation is the same as it was in 2003 with Iraq. Stupid people falling for the same stupid lies again.
NPT denies nuclear WMD threats, including those of USA and americans. Every day I read americans making threats to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear NPT signatories. YOU americans are breaking the NPT treaty. Shame on you liars! You have sworn to not threaten or use nuclear weapons against other nations. You have signed a treaty to give them up. What have you done to fulfill your part and your word? Nothing. You continue to build new nuclear weapons and threaten the rest of the world with them. All the treaties americans have signed. Treaty against torture. Treaty against biological weapons, Treaty against nuclear proliferation. Treaty for Human Rights. Americans have broken and are openly breaking them all, and spit on everyone else. Americans' word is worth nothing.
Posted by: John Rambo | June 02, 2008 at 08:25 PM
Wow, there are so many liars, idiots and propagandists on this blog I can't decide if reading it is entertainment or just plain sad.
Scarlett - you are simply a liar. Israel has given land back to Palestinians three times in the last nine years, and each time, DESPITE promises, Palestinians (PLO, Fatah and Hamas) uses the land as a launching point for new attacks on civilians. No Palestinian in power has any integrity or legitimacy. Hezbollah doesn't care about the land, they care about Iran and performing genocide on the Jews - it's in their charter.
Musings - you are just pathetic. Every human being, at every moment, has a choice - and too many have chosen to be animals and murderers, and that has more to do with their character (as individuals and as a group) than the Iraq invasion... and that is not our fault. I have never defended the Iraq action, but the world should decry the actions of Iraqis on Iraqis. By your logic, because someone stole my wallet, I should be allowed to rape someone else. The issue with Islam predates Iraq by forty years. Do you even remember the 44 days? Do you know anything of the Muslim Brotherhood in the 40s and 50s? Do you know anything of Hamas and Hizbollah? Do you want to blame pre-Iraq history on Iraq? You are just silly. Go learn some history.
Mr Pease Man Dude - your borrowed cliches unfortunately are from a different era. Sorry you missed the 60s, but this is a new century with a new dynamic. The biggest problem with Israel and International Law is that Israel had the gall to actually fight back... UN mandates say that is actually illegal to do. The UN has failed to realize that the lack of overt war is not peace, and has done NOTHING to actually foster peace. WHen the UN takes action so that there are not rockets being fired into Israeli homes, they will have some legitimacy.
Proud Primate - you are just plain wrong and even paranoiac about 50s Iran. Know anyone who lived through it? What happened was there was a major clash between intra-national groups and when it came down to it, we had to choose sides. WE didn't kill anyone, other Iranians did. Too many people like yourself think we control the world, but at best we have a choice of which bastard to choose between. If we did actually control things, the world would be much different, probably even better. But that isn't the way the world works and we often have to choose the lesser of evils... and then that lesser often chooses to be a greater evil. But if you look at history, even when we had to choose to work with bastards, most of the time there is an evolution to democracy... it's a long, ugly process that is hard won, and an evolution. Look at Chile, Ecuador, Panama, Costa Rica... and then in an active resistance, look at Ukrane, East Germany, the Kazach republics, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland... democracy and capitalism won out. (In Vietnam and China, only capitalism has won.... so far.)
But for all of you, I will not apologize, nor should we as a nation apologize, for demanding that human beings not slaughter people in the street because of tribal, ethnic or religious reasons... and that is what is happening.
You have a misguided and patronizing view of human nature, whereby anyone who is not a self-loathing American is a lesser being and therefore should not be held accountable by ethics, law or even the constraints of their own religion.
You have never learned the difference between an explanation and an excuse.
Posted by: c-t-m | June 02, 2008 at 08:24 PM
Hey Lame Cherry,
Poison is reality. Wake up
Posted by: Frankly | June 02, 2008 at 04:26 PM
Well at least somebody besides me rememberd the SS-20 wareheads they bought from the failed Soviet Union that they haven't used yet. So they already are and have been a nuclear nation. and if attacked they need to sling them. Just more oil that this country thinks they can steal so they can sell it for $10 Dollars a Gallon after they start a war! And what about all the Nukes that Isreal has and rufuses the inspection off? Just everybody else is supposed to be inspected, except them? Why because of the tired Holocaust 60 year old rehashing so they can keep up their blackmail off the Working American and German serfs backs? for the Billions they have scammed off of us, Let them fight their own wars! I am more concerned with the Holocaust of the American Indians that was done to them and are we continuing to give them Millions of Dollars for all the land that was stolen from them and all that were killed off the face of the earth? whatever happens to America is by it's own doing! for all the misery they have caused past and present! Now it is starting to come back to haunt them! Just wait till our good friends China and Russia start! the new leaders of the world thanks to criminals like Bush and his cronies! But everybody forgot about them because of the boogie man coming from Iran scam!
Posted by: Chief Nomore | June 02, 2008 at 03:50 PM
"A lefti like fischer". LOL.
http://www.btflive.net/news/files/Sheikha-Hanadi-Bint-Nasser-Bin-Khaled-Al-Thani-receives-'Woman-CEO-of-the-Year'-award.jpg
These people are ALL NWO ILLUMINTI.
Posted by: Briggita Bui | June 02, 2008 at 03:01 PM
We have been falling for the Zionist lies for so long they got us right where they want us. If they attack Iran I hope they have Nuclear weapons to finaly do the job that needed to be done along time ago. Isreal is a lazy welfare state and has been getting paid off for so long they are unable to sustain theirself without getting a hand out from a questionable act that happend 63 years ago. this Neocon run government doesn't care about it's people or any others as long as their friends can make money off of it. Isreal is a beggar society that needs to be taken care of by Iran or any other country that is tired off their lies and con jobs! Don't bother looking for my kids going over there for some scam war on terrorism, We will sit this one out! What do they think happens when you steal a peoples land and then keep them from making a living and killing their children!
Posted by: Garrett Dvis | June 02, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I wonder if people EVER read what they write here as almost every comment is hatred toward America by Americans.
That is the real problem in this that Americans hate themselves and can not get past it. They think America just appeared here by some wave of the hand. I have news for all of you bloggers including the main writer posting this, ALL OF YOU displaced someone here, including animals and your people raped the environment so you can sit here typing in comfort instead of having Putin bash you over the head or some other leftist around the world.
None of that is evil. It simply is how all nations are built by taking things. The difference is America shared more than it took and bettered the world compared to Iran which starves it's people, beats and imprisons people for thinking and is REALLY TERRORIZING PEOPLE IN MURDER around the world unlike the Shah.
Americans buying Iranian oil made Iran the most progressive and affluent nation in the Middle East. Except for the communists who took over under Jimmy Carter and now are implementing nuclear terrorism, the entire ethnic group of Iran is a docile enough people.
The government of Iran though is a problem. They want world rule. They want Jews out of the Middle East. They want nuclear bombs going off in America.
They are in control now of the Islamocommunists of al Qaeda run out of Russia and if a reporter would care to look at my blog or an editor at the LA TIMES publish it from yesterday on Larijani who is heir apparent to the dictatorship of Iran you will learn they have nuclear warheads already and are attempting to use nuclear terrorism in bombs going off in American cities.
Iran was trying to sell FARC the narco communists of Columbia nuclear material to build weapons last year.
This is real people and while the idiocy of hating America keeps cropping up, the real people who hate America and are going to vaporize select cities and blame al Qaeda are implementing a real plan. They fully as I have exclusively revealed plan to nuclear pollute the Middle East to make America withdraw and then open a nuclear front against America here using Chavez, Castro and FARC.
For the wake up call and I hope the Times gets this and I challenge them to give me an op ed piece is the people blogging here are going to force President Bush to do a Colin Powell in not hitting Iran hard enough as self loathing Americans will whine about how bad it is. If only Qod forces are hit and the nuclear plants, the leadership directed by Larijani will survive and just like Flight 800 they will launch a missile with a MERV and take out New York.
Iran must be not only sanctioned in it's numerous terrorist camps, it's nuclear facilities, but it's leadership must be decapitated from the Supreme Council and negotiations must be in place now with key ethnic groups in the north and south to have regional armies control Cantons like Switzerland for those people to be free governing like the Kurds.
The southern tribes can sell their oil to China and the world and stop the insanity of the Islamocommunists buying billions in weaponry when the Iranian people starve for lack of food.
For those who tout the moronic line here, Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan, get a military clue as Iran is a force which couldn't even beat Saddam Hussien's rag tag military.
The Iranian military nor nation is nothing to deal with. The only problem is the Islamcommunist leadership launching several of their nuclear SS warheads they purchased out of the Soviet Union on their Shahab 3's in retaliation.
Iran though will by proxy attack America in the next 5 years with nuclear bombs. The only way to stop it is to obliterate the entire infrastructure and Islamocommunist leadership top to bottom and that means dead.
Then institute free governing Cantons without Colin Powell occupation and America can then worry about the war in Eurasia which I again exclusively blogged about last year already as that is the real problem once the Iranian communist situation is remedied, but it must be remedied.
Posted by: Lame Cherry | June 02, 2008 at 10:58 AM
poison
Posted by: thewatcher | June 02, 2008 at 10:53 AM